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Old Jan 4, 2023, 8:53 pm
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Originally Posted by BlueZebra
They are diverting a large number of flights again this afternoon. Lots of wind in the Bay Area today.
Well, isn't it Windsday after all..

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Old Jan 4, 2023, 9:08 pm
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Originally Posted by LimeySD
Good to see progress, my experience was many years ago...
UA has always flown mainline into SJC (though admittedly there was a period when there was more regional than now).

I’ve flown from DEN to SJC and vv. many times on 319/320, and also, IIRC, 737 and maybe even 757 back in the day (and yes, also CR7). And I’m pretty sure IAH has always been 737s.
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Old Jan 5, 2023, 1:24 am
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Originally Posted by emcampbe
UA has always flown mainline into SJC (though admittedly there was a period when there was more regional than now).

I’ve flown from DEN to SJC and vv. many times on 319/320, and also, IIRC, 737 and maybe even 757 back in the day (and yes, also CR7). And I’m pretty sure IAH has always been 737s.
Yes, I flew on a UA 752 in and out of SJC in 2007.
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Old Jan 5, 2023, 9:12 am
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Originally Posted by LarryJ
Landing on 28L/R would seem to be the solution with those conditions. Don't know why the airport was going in the opposite direction.
Without pulling historical METAR, when it's rainy in SFO the wind is normally coming from unusual directions that don't facilitate 28 ops. Blind guess would be that the wind was more easterly earlier, and of course it's a massive hassle to switch runway directions.

The standard config for rain is usually departures on the 10s and arrivals on 19L (19R if you can manage short-field), and so when the wind is temporarily like that they'll pull arrivals onto the 10s. Not uncommon for temporary outages on the cross runways - I remember another time where all traffic was being done on the 19s and they had some heavies parked out by the 10s desperately waiting for a gap in the crosswinds so they could get out.

Also if memory serves, switching between 10 and 28 involves Norcal shuffling all of the area traffic patterns.
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Old Jan 5, 2023, 9:32 am
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Around the same time that UA2034 diverted to SJC, BA287 (an A380!) diverted to OAK after 2 failed attempts at landing at SFO - the first on 19L/R and then the second on 10L/R. According to flightaware they got down to about 1000 feet on each attempt before going around. After nearly 3 hours on the ground at OAK they had a 24 minute flight back over to SFO (landing on 10L)

The fact than they first attempted 19 potentially explains the UA pilots request for that runway - sounds like it was at least in use around the time (The BA attempt on 19 was about 23 minutes before UA2034's go-around).
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Old Jan 7, 2023, 5:45 pm
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So what happens to the PAXs?

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Would UA let you deplane in such a situation or do they make you stay onboard for an hour or two and then fly to sfo?
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Generally, no. Especially for shorter diversions.

Would have to go to a gate and open the door, that triggers all sort of things. Plus you have the issues of those with checked bags and trying to explain why a potential carry-on only is allowed to leave.

Has this done, yes. I was on a SFO-ATL flight that diverted to BNA and a couple of BNA residents did get off but it was a longer diversion
Originally Posted by BlueZebra
They are diverting a large number of flights again this afternoon. Lots of wind in the Bay Area today.
Are the planes immediately gassed then sent up to SFO with the PAXs? Or are the PAXs put on a bus and sent to SFO (I remember UAX to SBN always got canceled due to turbo-props unreliability in the winter years ago and they bused the PAXs to/from ORD); and then the equipment eventually flies only with crew to SFO?
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Old Jan 8, 2023, 5:50 am
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Originally Posted by Live4Upgrades
Are the planes immediately gassed then sent up to SFO with the PAXs? Or are the PAXs put on a bus and sent to SFO (I remember UAX to SBN always got canceled due to turbo-props unreliability in the winter years ago and they bused the PAXs to/from ORD); and then the equipment eventually flies only with crew to SFO?
Sometimes all of the above.
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Old Jan 8, 2023, 9:29 am
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Originally Posted by Live4Upgrades
Are the planes immediately gassed then sent up to SFO with the PAXs?
There are a number of challenges that will determine how quickly the diverted flight can be turned.

The diversion station was staffed for their normal flight schedule. (In today's environment, that alone is often a challenge) They will likely be constraints on space, personnel, and support from the fuel contractor that can cause delays in preparing the flight for departure.

When the diversion airport is in close, and multiple flights have diverted, there will likely be ATC constraints for departures back to the original destination. Ground stops, ground delay programs, and call-for-release programs are likely to add additional delay.

When the diversion is an international flight, you also have customs and immigration restrictions. CBP is unlikely to be staffed for a few unexpected widebodies who want to deplane at their airport.

If it was a long-haul flight, crew timeouts can also come into play. Same with shorter range flights at the end of the crew member's duty day.
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Old Jan 8, 2023, 6:50 pm
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Originally Posted by LimeySD
Good to see progress, my experience was many years ago...
Many years ago, United flew heavies into SJC. Not widebodies but stretch DC-8s which were officially heavies. My personal flight log shows eight DC-8 arrivals on UA at SJC, seven of them on "United 583 Heavy", the 7pm-ish ORD-SJC flight in the 1980s.
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