Originally Posted by greenpau (Post 32355249)

. Logic would say all international bases (LHR/FRA/NRT/HKG) would go with reduced schedules, but there are economic reasons to keep them (cheaper US layovers), as well as tough severance labor laws (Germany/Japan) that make them harder to execute.
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Originally Posted by greenpau (Post 32355249)

The VSPs will have deal sweeteners when fully announced, and will be built off the back of what was available last month - all based on years of service on a sliding scale, including X months of continuing no-cost health coverage, X years of continuing non-revenue travel benefits at current boarding seniority for you and family, etc. In an involuntary situation in the fall, those won’t be extended or not be as generous - you’ll face expensive COBRA premiums for healthcare, and travel benefits will end except if within a few years of retirement.

What happens with FA base closures will be interesting. CLE and the new satellite bases are more certain candidates for closure. Logic would say all international bases (LHR/FRA/NRT/HKG) would go with reduced schedules, but there are economic reasons to keep them (cheaper US layovers), as well as tough severance labor laws (Germany/Japan) that make them harder to execute. I can’t see any FAs hired in the last few years post-merger making it through, regardless of base - and with them having lower comp levels than Senior FAs, the cut may be deeper to hit the number they are looking for, while increasing average flying hours for those that remain. My friends with 20 years of seniority are expecting to go back on Reserve, mostly Domestic.

Velocity of all this crazy/sad and understandably shocking to employees.

Originally Posted by Bear96 (Post 32355759)

A grim view from the F/A world yesterday (I don't know why it is being split into two separate quotes when I post):

Originally Posted by John Aldeborgh (Post 32354388)

Pensions are not very common these days and becoming increasingly less common. They were designed for lifetime employees, which is also increasingly less common. People today need to develop the discipline to save for retirement, 401K's are only one option for how to save. I know this is an unpopular reality but it's unlikely pensions are coming back and relying on only on social security or doing nothing isn't really a good plan.

Originally Posted by EWR764 (Post 32356452)

It was confirmed today that HKG, LHR, NRT, FRA, CLE and AUS (satellite) will not staff any flying in June. Base closures are all sadly but assured, so it's not difficult to read the writing on the wall...

Originally Posted by username (Post 32355067)

So, if a pilot lost his or her job with an airline, can't find a flying job for a long time and loses the certification, does it put the person at a disadvantage competing with others who are current?

If the airlines can have their pick when things pick up, they would put those who are current, right? Or, it does not matter since the pilots have to go through the training for the new airline anyway?

Originally Posted by wanderingkev (Post 32356796)

Apologies for being thick on my understanding, are you (they) saying that no one at these bases will fly in June meaning all crews will be ex US ??

Originally Posted by username (Post 32355067)

So, if a pilot lost his or her job with an airline, can't find a flying job for a long time and loses the certification

Originally Posted by EWR764 (Post 32357188)

Correct. There are no trips in the May or June schedule built to be staffed with flight attendants from those bases, plus CLE and AUS (satellite). There is limited ability for FAs to pick up trips out-of-base, but I doubt there will be many opportunities to do so.

If the company is planning on being roughly 80% domestic and 20% international (in terms of capacity), in addition to being a smaller airline overall, that's a tremendous hit to the international network and I can anticipate the overseas domiciles being deemed redundant. Note there are contractual procedures for furlough and base closure.

Originally Posted by wanderingkev (Post 32357445)

Thx,so essentially this a warning shot to the folks that these INTL bases will close - perhaps the people there will be offered US based roles based on the seniority model, although I am sure that would come with a ton of admin complexity.

Originally Posted by EWR764 (Post 32356452)

It was confirmed today that HKG, LHR, NRT, FRA, CLE and AUS (satellite) will not staff any flying in June. Base closures are all sadly but assured, so it's not difficult to read the writing on the wall...

Originally Posted by Dontaskdontell (Post 32363440)

I was outsourced back in 2014 , along with MANY other employees at line stations ,after decades of service . One person in my station had 40 years of service . These were good middle class jobs etc . There was NO huge outcry from anyone in the company. Just the usual ,” We are doing this too save money, efficiency blah blah blah “. Guess that didn’t work .On the contrary we were treated as disposable. Local Management was beyond vindictive . I remember pilots & FA being totally nonchalant, with that attitude , tough luck , or “ You’ll find something else “ IAH employees came up to train our replacements. Just remember kids, Karma happens. You don’t know when or under what circumstances, but they WILL make an appearance. Just never think that something life changing won’t happen to you

Originally Posted by Dontaskdontell (Post 32363440)

I was outsourced back in 2014 , along with MANY other employees at line stations ,after decades of service . One person in my station had 40 years of service . These were good middle class jobs etc . There was NO huge outcry from anyone in the company. Just the usual ,” We are doing this too save money, efficiency blah blah blah “. Guess that didn’t work .On the contrary we were treated as disposable. Local Management was beyond vindictive . I remember pilots & FA being totally nonchalant, with that attitude , tough luck , or “ You’ll find something else “ IAH employees came up to train our replacements. Just remember kids, Karma happens. You don’t know when or under what circumstances, but they WILL make an appearance. Just never think that something life changing won’t happen to you

Originally Posted by tuolumne (Post 32364015)

This is not true. The unions had no leverage to do much at this point, and the general consensus was this was terrible. I am sorry you had a bad experience and had this idea in your mind that nobody cared - I would say that is false.

Also, the economy in 2014 was in no way similar to the one that we are currently in. To cheer on the impending job losses coming under the guise of Karma is something I can't subscribe to. We should all support one another right now, in my opinion.