Originally Posted by Repooc17
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The issue I do take with is UA's approach. . |
Originally Posted by HNLbasedFlyer
(Post 33163367)
Publicizing a goal they want to be more diverse and inclusive?
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Originally Posted by Repooc17
(Post 33163409)
If UA can't hit the goal anyway, what's the point? It's just pandering and a bunch of corporate speak. The company I work for is woman owned, and has a vastly diverse workforce - we just hire the best candidate without any regard to their identity.
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Originally Posted by Repooc17
(Post 33163360)
The issue I do take with is UA's approach.
Originally Posted by HNLbasedFlyer
(Post 33163437)
Diversity and inclusion programs aren't designed to hinder the best candidate. Nobody at United is going to say - well, Bob here - white male - is the most qualified but we are going to hire Linda - Japanese female - who isn't as qualified but she's female and Asian. All the program does it make it known in its own workforce and to the public that they have a goal to have a more diverse and inclusive workforce. It should get the attention of minorities and women and I'd expect UA and other airlines to be better at funding programs to encourage a more diverse and inclusive workforce.
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Originally Posted by Sykes
(Post 33163477)
What specifically about the approach do you take objection to? As far as I can tell, they haven't detailed really anything about how they intend to approach it except to say that lowering the financial barriers to flying careers will create a more diverse group of applicants, which is absolutely true. Most diversity programs focus on outreach to increase the breadth of the pool of applicants so that when you later select the most qualified applicants there is a lot more diversity within that group.
Precisely this ^^^ |
Originally Posted by Repooc17
(Post 33163534)
with cutoff
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Originally Posted by Repooc17
(Post 33163534)
The pandering. I am all for outreach programs, and making it easy for qualified candidates to apply, etc, but having goals (attainable or otherwise) with cutoff for specific groups - 50% inclusion for group A, and 50% inclusion for group B? That doesn't sit well with me.
Besides, you can't state a goal without a target - otherwise you can't measure it. |
Originally Posted by HNLbasedFlyer
(Post 33163619)
Except it doesn't say 50% of Group A and 50% of Group. It says the plan is at least half being women or people of color.
Besides, you can't state a goal without a target - otherwise you can't measure it. My message is simple, always be the better version of yesterday yourself, whether for an individual or a company. Companies should hire the best people around, companies should treat everyone the same without regard of their identity; throwing a bunch of pandering goals (realistic or otherwise) not only increase pressure to hire certain groups, and possibly missing out some great talent. Afford everyone the same opportunity; 5,000 open spots for every qualified applicant is better than a sub-set for specific groups. |
Originally Posted by Repooc17
(Post 33163660)
That's the problem. Let's say at 2,499's hire of non-women/non-POC, then what? Sorry. we are no longer taking your applications because of your race and gender.
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Originally Posted by Repooc17
(Post 33163660)
That's the problem. Let's say at 2,499's hire of non-women/non-POC, then what? Sorry. we are no longer taking your applications because of your race and gender.
My message is simple, always be the better version of yesterday yourself, whether for an individual or a company. Companies should hire the best people around, companies should treat everyone the same without regard of their identity; throwing a bunch of pandering goals (realistic or otherwise) not only increase pressure to hire certain groups, and possibly missing out some great talent. Afford everyone the same opportunity; 5,000 open spots for every qualified applicant is better than a sub-set for specific groups. United Sets New Diversity Goal: 50% of Students at New Pilot Training Academy To Be Women and People of Color All they are doing is opening doors to a training path for people who might be hesitant in an aviation career maybe because of the stereotype of "who" a pilot is. |
Originally Posted by TomMM
(Post 33163760)
You seem to believe that UA has committed to hiring 50% of their pilots to Women and People of Color. Here's the headline:
United Sets New Diversity Goal: 50% of Students at New Pilot Training Academy To Be Women and People of Color All they are doing is opening doors to a training path for people who might be hesitant in an aviation career maybe because of the stereotype of "who" a pilot is. "Over the next decade, United will train 5,000 pilots who will be guaranteed a job with United, after they complete the requirements of the Aviate program – and our plan is for half of them to be women and people of color," said United CEO Scott Kirby. |
Originally Posted by Repooc17
(Post 33163779)
Straight from Kirby's mouth:
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Originally Posted by Repooc17
(Post 33163779)
Straight from Kirby's mouth:
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Originally Posted by escapefromphl
(Post 33164648)
This is basically just getting ahead of the curve to deflect any criticism. Wait until they start realizing the pilot seniority list is all white male dominated, I suspect there will be attempts to transform that at some point.
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Originally Posted by Bear96
(Post 33165612)
I bet there won't be.
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