Progress under the old versus new program
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After a YEG-RAK AC J itinerary, and a six-segment domestic trip on UA, I am at 4,600 PQP and 12 flights, which means Silver Status, baby!
Not sure where I'd be on the old system, as I can't recall what sort of PQMs I'd get on partner airlines, but I wouldn't be at Silver after three weeks. :-)
Edit: I did the math, and it turns out I would be at 24,481 PQMs. So with the PQD waiver, I would have been very close to Silver even under the old system. Colour me surprised.
Not sure where I'd be on the old system, as I can't recall what sort of PQMs I'd get on partner airlines, but I wouldn't be at Silver after three weeks. :-)
Edit: I did the math, and it turns out I would be at 24,481 PQMs. So with the PQD waiver, I would have been very close to Silver even under the old system. Colour me surprised.
Last edited by bart889; Jan 26, 2020 at 11:54 am
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One RT on an LH ticket on LH/LX metal and I'm already at 3658 PQP. It definitely would have been lower had I purchased it on UA ticket stock for the same cost.
They change the game, we just have to change our strategy.
They change the game, we just have to change our strategy.
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slightly faster this year than before for me. Gold by the end of January. Platinum in March and 1K in April or May (which would be similar to prior years).
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Historically, if you flew this pattern to achieve 1K, it would look like this:
1. Fly 9 RTs/yr
2. Fly 3 of those 9 trips in J using GPUs
3. UA pockets ~$4K from you annually
4. The GPUs are worth more than $4K
5. It's a no brainer UA wants you gone, as you're costing them money.
But, you're only flying 1/2 the above and achieving Gold. So you're not getting any upgrade instruments. Your math to UA looks like this:
1. Fly 5 RTs/yr, to achieve Gold
2. UA generates $1600/yr from you
The reason you're so interesting is UA is basically challenging you to leave. They're saying, you don't have many other choices, so we think you'll stay. If your route is London, who else can offer $450 RTs? Not the LCCs as that's too low for them to make money on such a long route. Not the ULCCs, as they're dropping like flies. Only UA can offer such fares because their corporate sales in J allow the route to be profitable.
So I'm curious, will you stay with UA or leave. If you leave, who will you go to and why?
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I suspect you need to check your calculation. I can't think of any TPAC routing that would generate an additional 19,000 PQP. To get that, you'd basically need a RTW trip in F.
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You're an interesting case. You're basically describing a route like SFO-LHR (5500 miles each way) on a $450 RT fare.
Historically, if you flew this pattern to achieve 1K, it would look like this:
1. Fly 9 RTs/yr
2. Fly 3 of those 9 trips in J using GPUs
3. UA pockets ~$4K from you annually
4. The GPUs are worth more than $4K
5. It's a no brainer UA wants you gone, as you're costing them money.
But, you're only flying 1/2 the above and achieving Gold. So you're not getting any upgrade instruments. Your math to UA looks like this:
1. Fly 5 RTs/yr, to achieve Gold
2. UA generates $1600/yr from you
The reason you're so interesting is UA is basically challenging you to leave. They're saying, you don't have many other choices, so we think you'll stay. If your route is London, who else can offer $450 RTs? Not the LCCs as that's too low for them to make money on such a long route. Not the ULCCs, as they're dropping like flies. Only UA can offer such fares because their corporate sales in J allow the route to be profitable.
So I'm curious, will you stay with UA or leave. If you leave, who will you go to and why?
Historically, if you flew this pattern to achieve 1K, it would look like this:
1. Fly 9 RTs/yr
2. Fly 3 of those 9 trips in J using GPUs
3. UA pockets ~$4K from you annually
4. The GPUs are worth more than $4K
5. It's a no brainer UA wants you gone, as you're costing them money.
But, you're only flying 1/2 the above and achieving Gold. So you're not getting any upgrade instruments. Your math to UA looks like this:
1. Fly 5 RTs/yr, to achieve Gold
2. UA generates $1600/yr from you
The reason you're so interesting is UA is basically challenging you to leave. They're saying, you don't have many other choices, so we think you'll stay. If your route is London, who else can offer $450 RTs? Not the LCCs as that's too low for them to make money on such a long route. Not the ULCCs, as they're dropping like flies. Only UA can offer such fares because their corporate sales in J allow the route to be profitable.
So I'm curious, will you stay with UA or leave. If you leave, who will you go to and why?
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The reason you're so interesting is UA is basically challenging you to leave. They're saying, you don't have many other choices, so we think you'll stay. If your route is London, who else can offer $450 RTs? Not the LCCs as that's too low for them to make money on such a long route. Not the ULCCs, as they're dropping like flies. Only UA can offer such fares because their corporate sales in J allow the route to be profitable.
Last edited by xliioper; Jan 26, 2020 at 4:20 pm
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poorly worded. Should have stated if one leg (of all three round trips) was on a partner. On UA 2 PQF and 2845 PQP and 24 hours vs 3 PQF 7324 PQP and 12 additional hours on ANA.
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Indeed.
One TPAC vacation on UA (upgraded W fare, $750) in bulk, and a return from vacation in early January on LX/AC, and I m sitting at ~4000PQP for about $1200 spend. Under old system, would be about 23,000 PQM (and PQD waiver)
The year will be partner flights, and UA bulk tickets upgraded using Pplus. Looking at 2.5-3PQP/$.
54 segments may prove to be the real challenge
One TPAC vacation on UA (upgraded W fare, $750) in bulk, and a return from vacation in early January on LX/AC, and I m sitting at ~4000PQP for about $1200 spend. Under old system, would be about 23,000 PQM (and PQD waiver)
The year will be partner flights, and UA bulk tickets upgraded using Pplus. Looking at 2.5-3PQP/$.
54 segments may prove to be the real challenge
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Just having lounge access doesnt mean youll actually be able to use it.....



