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greg99 Aug 20, 2019 5:10 pm


Originally Posted by dilanesp (Post 31437785)
I don't buy this. Those machines are not ordinary taps. They are enclosed and make it very hard to access the downward facing taps.

I suspect there may be a cohort out there who doesn't trust tap water (or maybe even thinks drinking tap water is beneath them). But really, it's more likely that commercial bottled water will be insufficiently purified than for these machines to collect microbes.

You're just wrong.

See, for example, the CDC's recommendations with respect to cryptosporidium: https://www.cdc.gov/parasites/crypto...revent_ic.html

Simlarly, the SF Public Utilities Commission (you know, the people who provide the water to SFO) says:


Some people may be more vulnerable to contaminants in drinking water than the general population. Immuno-compromised persons, such as those with cancer undergoing chemotherapy, persons who have undergone organ transplants, people with HIV/AIDS or other immune system disorders, some elderly people and infants, can be particularly at risk from infections.

These people should seek advice about drinking water from their healthcare providers.

https://sfwater.org/index.aspx?page=634

txflyer77 Aug 20, 2019 6:05 pm

Immunocompromised travelers could consider a water bottle with built-in filter. Such devices are commonly marketed to backcountry hikers.

Katadyn makes collapsible water bottles with built-in filters that protect against cryptosporidium. They're available in both 20oz and 33oz (1L) sizes.

https://www.rei.com/product/116364/k...ttle-338-fl-oz

LifeStraw also makes one but it's not collapsible: https://www.lifestraw.com/products/lifestraw-go/

(My mother has chronic leukemia, I should buy her one of these...)

WineCountryUA Aug 20, 2019 6:24 pm

While this may be yet another challenge for " immunocompromised travelers ", it was neither UA and SFO decision to make this move. The decision to not allowed the sale of smaller plastic bottled water is a City of SF decision about offering such items on city property. UA and SFO had no choice and the discussion if this is a good idea or not is not in the scope of this forum

so as mentioned earlier

Originally Posted by WineCountryUA (Post 31434262)
For those that want to discuss what led to this ban (a city ordinance against plastic water bottles sales on city-own property), please see
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/san-francisco/1981309-sfo-bans-sale-single-use-plastic-water-bottles.html

Let's not get OMNI here either

WineCountryUA
UA coModerator

Its appropriate here to discussion how UA travelers going thru SFO should cope / adapt to this change. If we can not stay in those boundaries, this thread will go elsewhere.
Complains should be aimed at the City/County of SF elsewhere.

WineCountryUA
UA coModerator

returnoftheyeti Aug 20, 2019 10:24 pm

Approved water for sale:
https://www.flysfo.com/approved-bottled-water-list

This policy covers drinking water in a sealed box, bag, can, bottle or other container intended mainly for single-service use and having a capacity of 1 liter or less. These items may not be provided or sold in airport concessions, vending machines, or lounges. This policy only applies to unflavored water, including purified water, mineral water, unflavored carbonated or sparkling water, and unflavored electrolyte-enhanced water.

https://www.flysfo.com/environment/plastic-free

mr8 Aug 20, 2019 11:38 pm


Originally Posted by returnoftheyeti (Post 31438472)
...
These items may not be provided or sold in airport concessions, vending machines, or lounges.
...

Noooo...
Guess no more free bottles at the Polaris!

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As for the whole health concern regarding the fountains, I think the bigger issue is our own dirty bottles that only get washed every few days!

Edit: don't most of the UA lounges have signs discouraging people from refilling their own bottles?

dmurphynj Aug 21, 2019 1:49 am


Originally Posted by chavala (Post 31437305)
Most people aren’t carrying that around the terminals in the side pocket of their backpacks.

Funny you say this — I saw EXACTLY that in the SFO terminal 2 weeks ago! There was a gentleman up on the bridge to the air train/parking garage with a bottle of bourbon in the side pocket of their backpack.

I suspect he had no intention of heading airside ......

ExplorerWannabe Aug 21, 2019 12:32 pm


Originally Posted by greg99 (Post 31437666)
I'll be the contrarian here. I get the waste issue, but this punishes immunocompromised travelers who can't safely drink from water fountains.

The airport environment is unique in that passengers are not permitted by regulation to bring their own safe water from home. I've seen people do absolutely disgusting things with the water dispensers at SFO. It's not safe for certain people to drink from those sorts of dispensers, and they are solely dependent upon the availability of water that can be purchased at vendors.

This is particularly acute at SFO, where people may be traveling on flights that has them on board for well over 18 hours from gate to gate.

For people who have been at SFO since the ban, are large bottles of water still available? Are the aluminum bottles available at all vendors?

As has been said before, the hygiene standards for tap water in most major municipalities are higher than for bottled beverages. Now, I realize that doesn't mean the water tastes good -- having lived in Philadelphia, Maryland, Virginia, and central Florida, I have experienced tap water that wasn't quite putrid but definitely made you want to reach for something bottled but I found a Brita water filter took care of that. I have a Brita travel cup that's nearly 20 years old and still works just fine but I have since migrated to something even better -- the Sawyer mini-filter which filters to 0.1 micron, weighs about 2 ounces, and costs $25 for mini filter, faucet kit, bottle adapter, and roll-up water bottle. There are adapters to put it inline to backpack hydration kits. The filter itself is smaller than the case for my sunglasses and the whole shebang fits easily in a pint-size bag.


Originally Posted by dilanesp (Post 31437735)
SFO actually has special fountains for filling personal water bottles.
I would imagine the SFO water bottle fillers, which feature a downward facing tap, are safe for all humans. There's no real way for microbes to congregate there.


Originally Posted by WineCountryUA (Post 31434410)
There a number of user-supplied bottle refill stations at SFO. Such as by the food court area of concourse F and in concourse E Gate 68
https://www.flysfo.com/content/hydra...ons-terminal-3
with Hetch Hetchy / Sierra water

Enter Hydration Stations on https://www.flysfo.com/maps
or
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...3e83e1f14b.png

Thanks for the map, very useful if/when I go through SFO but they do need to put more in and make them more convenient with this ban in place.

fumje Aug 21, 2019 12:58 pm


Originally Posted by ExplorerWannabe (Post 31440780)
As has been said before, the hygiene standards for tap water in most major municipalities are higher than for bottled beverages. Now, I realize that doesn't mean the water tastes good -- having lived in Philadelphia, Maryland, Virginia, and central Florida, I have experienced tap water that wasn't quite putrid but definitely made you want to reach for something bottled but I found a Brita water filter took care of that. I have a Brita travel cup that's nearly 20 years old and still works just fine but I have since migrated to something even better -- the Sawyer mini-filter which filters to 0.1 micron, weighs about 2 ounces, and costs $25 for mini filter, faucet kit, bottle adapter, and roll-up water bottle. There are adapters to put it inline to backpack hydration kits. The filter itself is smaller than the case for my sunglasses and the whole shebang fits easily in a pint-size bag.





Thanks for the map, very useful if/when I go through SFO but they do need to put more in and make them more convenient with this ban in place.

Not to be contrarian, but actually I have found the SFO stations quite convenient. Whichever wing you are going to, you will pass by a station, and they fill quickly enough that I rarely have to wait for someone else.

Also, I believe that map is showing only the push-button standalone stations; there are additional wall-mounted combined drinking fountain / sensor-fill dispensers in a few places not shown.

STS-134 Aug 21, 2019 1:11 pm


Originally Posted by jp12687 (Post 31435741)
Before I board a tpac or even transcon flight I buy between 2-4 water bottles. Staying properly hydrated on a flight is very important. It is too easy to get dehydrated.

im not going to travel with 4 big water bottles they take up too much space.

i am all about being green. But airplanes is the one place it makes sense to use single use.

You can always ask the FAs for water if you need it. That is (part of) their job, after all. If I'm very thirsty, I'll get up, use the restroom, and ask the FAs for a cup of water. As long as you ask nicely and aren't demeaning, I can't see this causing any problems.

docbert Aug 21, 2019 3:39 pm


Originally Posted by ExplorerWannabe (Post 31440780)
Thanks for the map, very useful if/when I go through SFO but they do need to put more in and make them more convenient with this ban in place.

That map is either old and/or wrong. SFO claims they have over 100 filling stations, and there are a number that I'm aware of that are not on that map.

uastarflyer Aug 21, 2019 3:41 pm

I do hope UA will still be able to board the individual Dasani bottles provided to all passengers on INTL flights. Even if they have to be flown in from PDX or whatever.

Rumples Aug 21, 2019 4:31 pm


Originally Posted by uastarflyer (Post 31441501)
I do hope UA will still be able to board the individual Dasani bottles provided to all passengers on INTL flights. Even if they have to be flown in from PDX or whatever.

I was hoping to hear that from someone else but me! The Dasani bottles are the one thing on an INTL flight that I really really appreciate.

WineCountryUA Aug 21, 2019 4:38 pm


Originally Posted by docbert (Post 31441496)
That map is either old and/or wrong. SFO claims they have over 100 filling stations, and there are a number that I'm aware of that are not on that map.

This is the map of "drinking fountains" from flysfo for the public termnal areas, the other map was for bottle filling stations / hydration stations per the link to flysfo (there are no way near 100 of those) but the two together might be close

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...f0786dcbee.png

IAH-OIL-TRASH Aug 21, 2019 4:39 pm


Originally Posted by docbert (Post 31441496)
That map is either old and/or wrong. SFO claims they have over 100 filling stations, and there are a number that I'm aware of that are not on that map.

Maybe they're counting faucets in restrooms :eek:.

Silver Fox Aug 21, 2019 7:20 pm

They should also ban UA from handing out that disgusting Rombauer Rosbacher water that tastes as though it is out of the toilet bowl. Not that I have ever stuck my head in the toilet bowl and tried but the cat has and I am sure he would have said the same. If he was still alive. :). I seem to always manage to fall asleep and wake up with it stuck by the side of me.


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