Value of 1K when GPUs don't clear despite 20+ open seats?
Mar 3, 2019, 7:49 pm
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I am more upset that only few hours to departure, today's SFO-AKL has no I/IN available with 16 open seats unbooked.
It's like UA IM believes they can sell many revenue J tickets in few hours?
By not opening up I/IN this late, UA is not only devaluing our benefits significantly, but also leaving the miles on the table.
But, if you watch carefully, 16 UA employees are on stand-by list.
Guess their friends at IM are blocking PN/PZ/IN/I space so UA employees can fly free in business class to AKL.
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Would you be suspicious? I am.
It's like UA IM believes they can sell many revenue J tickets in few hours?
By not opening up I/IN this late, UA is not only devaluing our benefits significantly, but also leaving the miles on the table.
But, if you watch carefully, 16 UA employees are on stand-by list.
Guess their friends at IM are blocking PN/PZ/IN/I space so UA employees can fly free in business class to AKL.
.Would you be suspicious? I am.
Last edited by kb1992; Mar 8, 2019 at 12:44 pm
Mar 3, 2019, 8:04 pm
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I am more upset that only few hours to departure, today's SFO-AKL has no I/IN available with 16 open seats unbooked.
It's like UA IM believes they can sell many revenue J tickets in few hours?
By not opening up I/IN this late, UA is not only devaluing our benefits significantly, but also leaving the miles on the table.
But, if you watch carefully, 16 UA employees are on stand-by list.
Guess their friends at IM are blocking PN/PZ/IN/I space so UA employees can fly free in business class to AKL..
It's like UA IM believes they can sell many revenue J tickets in few hours?
By not opening up I/IN this late, UA is not only devaluing our benefits significantly, but also leaving the miles on the table.
But, if you watch carefully, 16 UA employees are on stand-by list.
Guess their friends at IM are blocking PN/PZ/IN/I space so UA employees can fly free in business class to AKL.
.IN/I is a different story. UA used to routinely open those fare classes ~3 hours before departure just like they have done for all of the revenue buckets, but they stopped this years ago. The rumor was that it was done to stop people who were on revenue business fares from canceling their flights and re-booking as an award, but I'm not sure that anyone really knows for sure.
Mar 3, 2019, 8:05 pm
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I am more upset that only few hours to departure, today's SFO-AKL has no I/IN available with 16 open seats unbooked.
It's like UA IM believes they can sell many revenue J tickets in few hours?
By not opening up I/IN this late, UA is not only devaluing our benefits significantly, but also leaving the miles on the table.
But, if you watch carefully, 16 UA employees are on stand-by list.
Guess their friends at IM are blocking PN/PZ/IN/I space so UA employees can fly free in business class to AKL.
.Would you be suspicious? I am.
Mar 3, 2019, 8:17 pm
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PN/PZ is completely irrelevant. Anyone on the upgrade list will be cleared before the NRAS's. The fact PN/PZ are zero is a 'good' thing as it stops people leapfrogging others. Anyone waitlisted for I/IN should also clear even if the fare buckets don't have availability. That is all managed by the day-of-flight systems that don't use fare buckets as such.
The fact PN/PZ are zero is absolutely not "good" thing as it denies people who buy last minute tickets the opportunity to upgrade when there are plenty of seat available.
IN/I is a different story. UA used to routinely open those fare classes ~3 hours before departure just like they have done for all of the revenue buckets, but they stopped this years ago. The rumor was that it was done to stop people who were on revenue business fares from canceling their flights and re-booking as an award, but I'm not sure that anyone really knows for sure.
UA might as well eliminate saver business class awards.
Not sure I understand your situation. I see no names on the UG list in the first 16 that are not also on the Standby list. So are you a nonrev? Or have you been placed on the list under the 16 that are also standbys? If the latter, that is your issue, not the nonclearing. But note there are still nearly 4 hours before departure, so a lot can change.
These on UG list are also on flight standby list. Usually this means they are UA employees.
My bet is most of these employees will enjoy free business class flight to AKL tonight.
We will never know how many Mileage Plus members could not redeem miles for this flight because saver award is not available.
Last edited by kb1992; Mar 3, 2019 at 8:35 pm
Mar 3, 2019, 8:24 pm
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Not sure I understand your situation. I see no names on the UG list in the first 16 that are not also on the Standby list. So are you a nonrev? Or have you been placed on the list under the 16 that are also standbys? If the latter, that is your issue, not the nonclearing. But note there are still nearly 4 hours before departure, so a lot can change.
Mar 3, 2019, 8:51 pm
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Let's face it UA has significantly devalued the MP program over the last few year. If you were flying UA primarily because of the MP benefits (which BTW used to be great), it's probably time to consider other options. Bummer but that's the reality.
Mar 3, 2019, 9:31 pm
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If someone was waitlisted I/IN?? If so they would clear before any NRSA.
Mar 3, 2019, 9:41 pm
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Mar 3, 2019, 10:26 pm
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Besides, by not releasing PZ/PN/IN/I, United is denying anyone who buys last minute tickets either trying to use instruments to upgrade, or to redeem saver J awards.
This is significant devaluation for these passengers. But it's UA employee friendly, there is no way to deny that.
Mar 3, 2019, 10:42 pm
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That's my point about being 1K in a non-hub.
I'm 1K on a W fare ticket that was purchased the night before maybe 30 hours before the flight. Cleared about T-22.
So the entire waitlist must be 0 GS and less than 1K with W fare tickets purchased about 30 hours before the flight.
And they didn't even hold one F seat back--this flight is not until 10AM tomorrow.
Last edited by TomA; Mar 3, 2019 at 11:03 pm
Mar 3, 2019, 11:24 pm
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(I suspect you might be asking if you can waitlist for I/IN inside T-24 versus doing it before T-24 -- and I don't know the answer for that but suspect no.)
Purchasing SFO-AKL inside of T-24 is likely a very rare event, so the population of those so affected is quite small. Some may be in that population but it is likely not large enough for that to be top of mind in UA's planning.
Mar 3, 2019, 11:36 pm
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Mar 3, 2019, 11:41 pm
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I also agree it seriously devalues the MP program.
