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Old Feb 12, 2019, 1:21 am
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This is the archive thread, the active thread is Lufthansa GPUs Go Electronic (How to use, will it clear?, issues w/flight credit,...)

For general information on upgrading ANA or Lufthansa flights with a GPU, see Upgrading Flights Operated by ANA or Lufthansa. You actually request the upgrade through the online form, here: Request a GPU for a Select Partner Airline.

Per United web support, you only need to fill in the required* info.

**The LH flight you are upgrading must be an LH flight, not a UA codeshare flight. If you have a UA codeshare flight, you can call websupport and they will (put you on hold and] change your itinerary to one with an LH flight#.

Note that UA websupport might give you a new ticket # when you do the above, but if the original ticket # was 016 UA stock, it will remain so, and thus you will still be earning RDMs at the UA rate (11x for a 1K), not the *A rate. In case of a $6000 biz fare for LAX-FRA that you are trying to upgrade to F for example, as a 1K you would earn 66,000 UA RDM if booked as a UA flight. And even though after booking you get them to change the UA flight # from a UA codeshare flight to an LH flight, the 016 ticket stock sticks, and you earn 66,000 RDMs.

(FYI, had the ticket stock been an LH stock, the RDM's earned would be 5790 miles x 150% = 8685 RDMs. Big difference)

Note that sometimes the online upgrading does not work, and you may get an error message to call an 877 number, which is now defunct but still resides on .bomb...Ignore it and just call web support. They might put you on hold while they call LH but they will get the job done.

Eligible Economy Fares to Apply a GPU

Upgradeable to business fares include U/H/Q the lowest eligible economy fares. G&E the two top premium economy fares and Y/B/M the most expensive economy fares. (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24219165-post205.html)
While UA has not changed their T&Cs, LH appears to have expanded the potential fare classes
Originally Posted by oliver2002
For C->F upgrade, J, D, C fares are eligible, Z and P fares are not.
Originally Posted by andywaw
Effective April 20th, 2018, all Lufthansa revenue Business Class fares, including P and Z, are eligible to be upgraded to First Class using miles or eVouchers. ...
LH booking class P, Z upgreadable for miles and eVouchers
Appears this also applies to use of UA GPUs IF booked as native flight number on LH or UA ticket stock.
Presently UA is not converting codeshare to native flight numbers, as required for this process, if P or Z fare
From April to September 2018 it was possible to confirm and waitlist P ,Z-class LH flights with a GPU. Confirming and waitlisting is no now longer possible, but previously waitlisted segments will continue to clear as/if available.

Checking for Upgrade Availability

Upgrades to E, C and F come from the N, I and O fare bucket, but its a subset, which theoretically is not the same as the award subset. If awards are available it is a strong indication the upgrade is available too. (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24861289-post342.html)

In case of upgrade clearing but eticket refresh problems:

Originally Posted by oliver2002
Both longhaul LH segments cleared into I after being on waitlist . The first didnt get stickered, so the DCS ( amadeus altea ) rejected online and agent checkin . The eticket helpdesk had to manually update the first coupon for the DCS to accept the coupon. My seat in C was safe, since the PNR was updated correctly, just the ticket was not updated completely to the satisfaction of the DCS. Everyone looking at the booking agreed the upgrade was legit, so you will not be denied boarding or downgraded, just budget enough time
Originally Posted by oliver2002
The LH GA must have called the eticket helpdesk and pointed out the * SSR remark in your reservation that shows an upgrade was applied and the e-ticket just needed a fix/sticker. See my experience above.
Checking for availability prior to calling
Originally Posted by oliver2002
Upgrades to E, C and F come from the N, I and O fare bucket, but its a subset, which theoretically is not the same as the award subset. If awards are available it is a strong indication the upgrade is available too.
Use ANA or even united.com to see availability.

To check if C/F upgrades may open up, ask in this thread: Determining LH Y/C/F loads? [the help me guesstimate loads thread]

Regarding ticket stock, Oliver reports:
Originally Posted by oliver2002
Any ticket stock will do.
Each LH flight segment requires a separate GPU
A single GPU can be used to only upgrade a single LH flight segment, And that GPU cannot be extended to include another LH flight segment or another UA flight segment.


Problems getting mileage credit for upgraded LH segments

Numerous reports of denial of mileage credits (RDMs, PQMs, PQSs, PQDs) for upgraded tickets. This issue is probably due to LH uses the same fare bucket for mileage awards and upgrades. It seems patience, persistence, and documentation of the originally paid fare are needed to get credit.

You probably won't get credit by simply submitting the online form or asking a CSR to do so for you. A CSR needs to submit a System Issue Form, together with the mileage request, explaining that you flew in I class, but you paid for a mileage-earning booking class.

T-10

While the original system did not allow the upgrade waitlist to carry on past t-10 hours, the have been multiple reports that this is no longer the case. If not cleared in advance - the upgrade wait-list will last all the way until the door closing. UA has not updated the text on the LH GPU upgrades to reflect this change.

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Old Jun 11, 2019, 1:31 pm
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GPU Chances: SIN-MUC on June 28

Hello all! This is my first time applying a GPU on LH (never had any luck with ANA previously). Can someone please tell me what my chances are with a Q fare on LH 791 (SIN-MUC) on June 28, 2019?

Thank you in advance for your time and help!
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Old Jun 11, 2019, 1:46 pm
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Originally Posted by khaijett93
Hello all! This is my first time applying a GPU on LH (never had any luck with ANA previously). Can someone please tell me what my chances are with a Q fare on LH 791 (SIN-MUC) on June 28, 2019?

Thank you in advance for your time and help!
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Currently sold 40/48 with more than 21 days to go, so I would say extremely small.

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Old Jun 11, 2019, 2:44 pm
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Trying to apply a GPU to go from D to F on LH 761 from DEL to FRA on 13 June. Have been trying to do this for the past few days, but each time, I just get a message saying that:

"The flight segment you are trying to upgrade has not been ticketed. Please contact the source where you booked the ticket. (Error code 508)"

But the ticket shows up on both the LH and UA websites. I have no idea what is going on and neither does the UA agent. Any ideas/help would be most welcome.


Also, the ticket was issued as a UA codeshare - but I did change the segment I want to upgrade to an LH flight number. I just keep getting the message that the flight segment has not been ticketed, which makes no sense because both UA agents and the travel agent say the ticket has been issued and there is a ticket number.

Any ideas would be most appreciated!

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Old Jun 11, 2019, 2:54 pm
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Did the ticket get reissued when the flight number changed? I suspect there is a synchronization issue between the records and the ticket.
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Old Jun 19, 2019, 3:07 pm
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G&E the two top premium economy fares
Sorry if this has been discussed, but I am confused here... Am I reading it right, that even though I buy premium economy and it books in N (I assume this is what United's Premium Economy (R) translates to) I can't upgrade to business, but those who booked in economy Q bucket can? That's nuts...
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Old Jun 19, 2019, 3:22 pm
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Apologies for the silly question-
I have read in the posts about people's upgrades clearing at the gate. I thought all upgrades got pulled at -10 hours. How were you able to clear a the gate? Thanks!!
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Old Jun 19, 2019, 4:33 pm
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Originally Posted by monczao
Sorry if this has been discussed, but I am confused here... Am I reading it right, that even though I buy premium economy and it books in N (I assume this is what United's Premium Economy (R) translates to) I can't upgrade to business, but those who booked in economy Q bucket can? That's nuts...
That's true
Originally Posted by jquinn0501
Apologies for the silly question-
I have read in the posts about people's upgrades clearing at the gate. I thought all upgrades got pulled at -10 hours. How were you able to clear a the gate? Thanks!!
T-10 is no longer the practice
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Old Jun 19, 2019, 6:02 pm
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Hi- I am flying on LH 455 SFO-FRA on June 22 (6/22). I booked into J booking class last night and applied a GPU to get waitlisted into First (O Class). This AM on expert flyer, the flight showed F3A3, 5 seats in business, 0 in Prem Econ, and 2 in Y. Now it shows 0's for all buckets. My assumption is that they have just overbooked in lower classes, would this be a fair thought, or is it possible they sold 3 first class tickets in 1 afternoon?

Oh, and the expert flyer seat map shows 3 first seats blocked...

Any insight appreciated!
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Old Jun 19, 2019, 9:39 pm
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I would guess it overbooked in a lower cabin, but no way to be sure.
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Old Jun 19, 2019, 11:44 pm
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Originally Posted by monczao
Sorry if this has been discussed, but I am confused here... Am I reading it right, that even though I buy premium economy and it books in N (I assume this is what United's Premium Economy (R) translates to) I can't upgrade to business, but those who booked in economy Q bucket can? That's nuts...
N fares are frequently much cheaper than Q fares (depending upon the route and the economy class inventory).

I’m surprised that UA actually allows GPUs from R class on UA-operated flights.
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Old Jun 19, 2019, 11:55 pm
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Originally Posted by jquinn0501
Hi- I am flying on LH 455 SFO-FRA on June 22 (6/22). I booked into J booking class last night and applied a GPU to get waitlisted into First (O Class). This AM on expert flyer, the flight showed F3A3, 5 seats in business, 0 in Prem Econ, and 2 in Y. Now it shows 0's for all buckets. My assumption is that they have just overbooked in lower classes, would this be a fair thought, or is it possible they sold 3 first class tickets in 1 afternoon?

Oh, and the expert flyer seat map shows 3 first seats blocked...

Any insight appreciated!
typical oversell situation. SFO-FRA is not an easy upgrade, but a full J will help a lot. I think you have a decent chance.
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Old Jun 20, 2019, 12:12 am
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typical oversell situation. SFO-FRA is not an easy upgrade, but a full J will help a lot. I think you have a decent chance.
Thanks! I am hoping the fact I am booked in J (as opposed to C, D, Z, or P) would get me near the top of any list. I am also using a United GPU so hope that helps also!
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Old Jun 20, 2019, 4:11 am
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Originally Posted by jquinn0501
Hi- I am flying on LH 455 SFO-FRA on June 22 (6/22). I booked into J booking class last night and applied a GPU to get waitlisted into First (O Class). This AM on expert flyer, the flight showed F3A3, 5 seats in business, 0 in Prem Econ, and 2 in Y. Now it shows 0's for all buckets. My assumption is that they have just overbooked in lower classes, would this be a fair thought, or is it possible they sold 3 first class tickets in 1 afternoon?

Oh, and the expert flyer seat map shows 3 first seats blocked...
I see this often with LH. T-72 is their time when they clear the cash upgrade bids. The inventory goes zero and everything looks blocked. Likely revenue management doing its job. So far I had two Business -> First upgrades clearing at the airport in SFO. One during check-in at T-3 (GPU) and one at boarding (LH Miles&More).

I doubt that they just sold three tickets. June 22 is Saturday and it's summer. Thus, the plane is very likely maxed out at Y/Y+ (and probably C) capacity. Keep in mind that SFO-FRA is one of LH's most profitable routes. There could also be F tickets rebooked from Friday due to some travelers needing more time in the Bay Area. However, it can also be that a few upgrades were requested.

FWIW, I noticed it only once that three F seats where booked the week before travel.

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Old Jun 20, 2019, 4:56 am
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Its the end of two weeks of pentecost holidays in southern germany, the flights back to Germany will be packed in all classes.
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Old Jun 20, 2019, 2:19 pm
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Its the end of two weeks of pentecost holidays in southern germany, the flights back to Germany will be packed in all classes.
Yeah, plus the weird weather is not helping at all. All of my seven LH flight in the last 10 days have been picked beyond belief.
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