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Old Aug 30, 2018, 11:39 am
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Originally Posted by JOSECONLSCREW28
SFO-AMS year round 789 begins March 30 Daily
EWR - NAP summer seasonal 763 begins May 22 Daily
EWR - PRG summer seasonal 763 begins June 6 Daily
"Hello, Buongiorno, Ahoj, Hallo!"
United Airlines Announces New Nonstop Service to the Amalfi Coast, the Czech Republic and the Netherlands

August 30, 2018
CHICAGO, Aug. 30, 2018 /PRNewswire/ -- Strengthening the world's most comprehensive route network, United Airlines today announced customers have new international routes to choose from in 2019 including daily, year-round service between San Francisco and Amsterdam and new nonstop seasonal summer service between New York/Newark and Naples, Italy, the only nonstop flight from North America to Naples, as well as New York/Newark and Prague, subject to government approval. Tickets are now available for purchase on united.com or the United app.

"We've built an unparalleled global network and we continuously look for opportunities to make United the first choice for travelers booking flights to Europe and beyond," said Patrick Quayle, United's vice president of International Network. "Whether customers are traveling for business or leisure, United offers more choice than ever before to connect to the places, people and moments that matter most."

New Daily, Year-Round Service Between San Francisco and Amsterdam
Beginning March 30, 2019, United will be the only U.S. carrier to offer nonstop service between San Francisco and Amsterdam and is the airline's fifth nonstop flight to the Netherlands. United currently operates daily, year-round services between Amsterdam and Chicago, Houston, New York/Newark and Washington Dulles.United has operated nonstop service to Amsterdam for more than 25 years and currently offers daily nonstop service between Amsterdam and its hubs in Chicago, Houston, New York/Newark and Washington, D.C.

New Summer Service Between New York/Newark and Naples, Italy
United will be the only carrier offering customers nonstop service between the U.S. and Naples, Italy, beginning May 22, 2019 through Oct. 4, 2019.United's daily, summer service will connect customers traveling from New York/Newark to Naples, Southern Italy's largest city. Visitors to Naples enjoy the city's castles, architecture, art and world-famous cuisine as well as nearby Mount Vesuvius, the volcano that destroyed the nearby Roman town of Pompeii. Naples also serves as a gateway to the Amalfi Coast, a UNESCO World Heritage Site and popular tourist destination.United's new service to Naples will be its sixth nonstop service to Italy and is conveniently timed for connecting customers from more than 60 destinations across the United States.

New Summer Service Between New York/Newark and Prague, Czech Republic
Beginning June 6, 2019 through Oct. 4, 2019, United will offer daily nonstop seasonal service between New York/Newark and Prague, also known as the Golden City, the City of a Hundred Spires and the jewel in the crown of Central Europe. Prague is considered one of Europe's most charming, colorful and beautiful cities and has become one of the most popular destinations in Central Europe. Visitors to Prague enjoy its Old Town Square lined with colorful baroque architecture, Gothic churches and its famous medieval astronomical clock, the Orloj. United's service to Prague is conveniently timed to connect customers from more than 65 destinations across the United States.

Building the world's best global route network
In addition to offering customers new service to Amsterdam, Naples and Prague, United is continuing to build its global network of nearly 360 international destinations in 49 countries. Next year United will resume nonstop seasonal service between eight U.S. airports and more than 20 destinations in Europe, the Caribbean and Mexico including popular destinations like Porto, Portugal; Reykjavik, Iceland; Athens, Greece and Venice, Italy. As previously announced, United will also begin the only nonstop service between Washington Dulles and Tel Aviv, Israel next year.
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Old Aug 30, 2018, 9:14 am
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Originally Posted by JOSECONLSCREW28
SFO-AMS year round 789 begins March 30 Daily
Wow, year-round out of the gate on a B789! Looks like they're seriously taking on KLM/Skyteam from/to the West Coast.
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Old Aug 30, 2018, 9:16 am
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Originally Posted by Bavariair
MUC is already year-round daily LH A359. CDG, ZRH and maybe AMS (now that they fly from all major Intl hubs there) seem to be the only candidates IMO.
DY started DEN-CDG and WK (Edelweiss) started seasonal DEN-ZRH.

The only two plausible routes that UA could generate sufficient traffic ex-DEN without stepping on LH's toes would be CDG or AMS--even then, both would probably be seasonal.
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Old Aug 30, 2018, 9:16 am
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Originally Posted by TA
I have a hard time believing UA will be able to sustain the Naples route. They can barely make FCO work.
?? They expanded EWR-FCO service not too long ago...would seem to suggest the opposite.
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Old Aug 30, 2018, 9:26 am
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I have a hard time believing UA will be able to sustain the Naples route. They can barely make FCO work.
Is there any cruise traffic out of Naples at all?
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Old Aug 30, 2018, 9:31 am
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Originally Posted by cesco.g
Is there any cruise traffic out of Naples at all?
Essentially zero cruises originating there. A very few small ones.
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Old Aug 30, 2018, 9:42 am
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Originally Posted by EWR764
SFO-AMS
EWR-NAP
EWR-PRG

I am probably one of the only people who loves the city of Naples.
You and me both.Will be there again in May. It's not for everyone, though.

RNE, hoping for EWR-NAP, but ORD-NAP would be even better.

Originally Posted by BlueZebra
Essentially zero cruises originating there. A very few small ones.
One can embark on some larger cruise ships at Bari, which is an easy drive from Naples. However, those embarkees are almost always area Italians, not anyone flying to NAP to meet a ship.

Originally Posted by EmailKid
ORD is just in a weird place geographically...
Originally Posted by milepig
Well, that's certainly a very East Coast centric point of view. Geographically, for well over half the country, ORD is a step in the right direction to Europe.
ORD is a step in the right direction to anywhere because it's not EWR.

RNE, hoping for more ORD service.

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Old Aug 30, 2018, 9:44 am
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Naples. Very interesting indeed!
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Old Aug 30, 2018, 10:44 am
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Originally Posted by LASUA1K
I’m not suggesting AA is killing UA, my point is UA has no new announcements for ORD and the one route that they could’ve announced was ATH from ORD. ORD hasn’t seen a new international route in a while. TLV, ATH, etc. i expected one of them.
You do realize the net effect of AA’s announcement is a massive reduction at ORD - adding just ATH but cancelling MAN, cancelling PVG, and dropping NRT below acceptable levels (on top of cancelling ORD PEK that was previously announced)

The AMS announcement is far larger because it’ll be UA’s 5th gateway flown year round to AMS, a rival fortress hub (SFO IAH ORD IAD EWR)

Compare that to AA to AMS, which is barely PHL year round + DFW seasonal
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Old Aug 30, 2018, 10:45 am
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Originally Posted by Jacob02
Prague, IMHO, deserves a West Coast connection - if AA is happy with its seasonal service, I could see LAX-PRG on a 788. Aside from strong tourist demand, it is a mid-sized business/conference destination with an excellent value proposition to keep growing. Heck, BA from LCY, Turkish, EK and QR have recently been increasing capacity to the city, and there are rumors PHL-PRG could be served by an A332 next year.
I'm curious, why are all direct PRG flights from the East Coast or Toronto. I understand PRG is the mostly seasonal tourist destination with a very few expats (like me), but does West Coast has no tourists or what? I don't think 767 range is the issue.
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Old Aug 30, 2018, 10:52 am
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Originally Posted by danielSuper
I'm curious, why are all direct PRG flights from the East Coast or Toronto. I understand PRG is the mostly seasonal tourist destination with very few expats (like me), but does West Coast has no tourists or what? I don't think 767 range is the issue.
Wasn't the 787 meant for long-thin routes exemplified by West Coast to PRG?
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Old Aug 30, 2018, 10:57 am
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Originally Posted by williambruno1975


You do realize the net effect of AA’s announcement is a massive reduction at ORD - adding just ATH but cancelling MAN, cancelling PVG, and dropping NRT below acceptable levels (on top of cancelling ORD PEK that was previously announced)

Compare that to AA to AMS, which is barely PHL year round + DFW seasonal
AA also used to fly ORD-FRA. Surpised, how weak AA is into Germany, esp FRA, despite UA/LH strength in that market.
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Old Aug 30, 2018, 11:09 am
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Originally Posted by danielSuper
I'm curious, why are all direct PRG flights from the East Coast or Toronto. I understand PRG is the mostly seasonal tourist destination with a very few expats (like me), but does West Coast has no tourists or what? I don't think 767 range is the issue.
probably because there’s not enough demand from the west only. If you’re starting SFO-EU somewhere, you need enough traffic from the pacific states and maybe a bit of traffic close enough to the east that it makes a sensible connection. Likewise, if you have a destination in Asia that only has one flight, you’re going to send it from west coast, because someone in Chicago isn’t going to backtrack to say, EWR to catch a flight an asian city, much less someone in SFO.

Part of it is also going to be demographics, and where the pax are coming from. To most EU ports, and not saying that there isn’t some exceptions, there is going to be more of that traffic based on east coast vs. west. If theres enough demand for flights from other hubs also, you can start adding capacity to hubs farther away. Not that there are aren’t people coming from them at all, but you can also connect SFO folks to PRG via EWR, but no one in their right mind would do EWR-SFO-PRG - unless you count the minuscule amount of folks on FT looking at MRs. it also costs a heck of a lot more to route folks on a routing that flying 8000 miles out of the way (says a guy who has twice routed CVG-IAH -YYZ on last minute awards since that was all that was available, ensuring I flew 800+ miles south to get on a flight to YYZ that basically overflies CVG anyway).
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Old Aug 30, 2018, 11:19 am
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As a left coaster, if UA had all flat bed service from SFO to ORD I would care more about having additional flight options for ORD to Europe. Until then, I’m perfectly happy with EWR getting new routes.
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Old Aug 30, 2018, 11:20 am
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Originally Posted by pseudoswede
The only two plausible routes that UA could generate sufficient traffic ex-DEN without stepping on LH's toes would be CDG or AMS--even then, both would probably be seasonal.
There aren't any toes to step on... LH and UA are essentially one and the same when it comes to TATL service, since revenue is shared and pricing/capacity/route decisions are coordinated. A second DEN-FRA frequency seems to be the prohibitive favorite, likely an earlier departure in both directions to time with LH's first omnidirectional departure bank. The current schedule meets the early afternoon longhaul departures (like India) but there is a ~10am bank with a bunch of other connections, including Central Europe, ME and North Africa.
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Old Aug 30, 2018, 11:34 am
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Originally Posted by cesco.g
Isn't the 787-10 range-wise mostly East Coast to EU only?

Nope. Boeing advertises the 78J as a "shorter range" twin because the 789 and 788 can both fly farther, but it still has a pretty impressive range at 6,430 mmi. It is far enough for any LAX/SFO/DEN-Europe flight. That being said, UA has said they are flying the 78Js from EWR to Europe.

Originally Posted by PsiFighter37
Not sure. While DEN-FRA would seem logical from a connection standpoint, I believe LH already runs it. Maybe DEN-CDG?
DEN-CDG is a very good candidate because LH already flies DEN-MUC/FRA and WK flies seasonal DEN-ZRH. Plus, DY flies seasonal DEN-CDG and UA has shown it is willing to compete head to head against DY by starting DEN-LHR and making EWR-FCO year round.
Originally Posted by worldtrav
What was the last major new route from ORD? The current management seem to have no love at all for UA's headquarter city.
The only year round daily intercontinental flight from ORD on AA is about to be LHR. On the other hand, UA has year round daily AMS/PEK/BRU/FRA/HKG/LHR/MUC/CDG/GRU/PVG/NRT. UA was rumored to be looking at ORD-TLV, but it seems IAD got the route instead. I think the new "UA route" from ORD is ORD-AKL on JV partner NZ.

Plus, UA is starting ORD-BJX in October... isn't that a new international route for ORD?
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