Beijing competition?
Jan 24, 2018, 2:14 pm
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Beijing competition?
Saw recently that Delta is entering the Beijing market in March, I think. We're looking at going over there in later summer. United seems to have the best flight....but very expensive for business. Hoping the added competition will lower prices....any hope for this? Thanks!
Jan 24, 2018, 2:27 pm
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Which PEK route you are referring to? LAX-PEK? UA does not fly that route and DL will fight deadly with AA and the dominating carrier CA
Jan 24, 2018, 2:41 pm
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Flights I was looking at are out of SFO. Glad to hear Delta is aggressive....have never flown Delta business but have experienced Polaris to Australia...was ok.
Jan 24, 2018, 3:27 pm
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I would be skeptical that DL will be aggressive on this route. They are simply filling in their route map some hitting a major city not covered by partners China Eastern or China Southern direct from the US west coast.
Jan 24, 2018, 4:15 pm
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Do you have a link to anything as I'm not finding anything about Delta adding SFO-PEK. They just added DTW-PEK and are adding DTW-PVG in April but I don't see anything about SFO-PEK.
Jan 24, 2018, 5:47 pm
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Saw recently that Delta is entering the Beijing market in March, I think. We're looking at going over there in later summer. United seems to have the best flight....but very expensive for business. Hoping the added competition will lower prices....any hope for this? Thanks!
Jan 24, 2018, 7:11 pm
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DL has been flying DTW-PVG/PEK for many years. They are in the process of upgrading these flights from A330/777's to A350's this winter/spring as they take more A350 deliveries. The also fly SEA-PEK/PVG/HKG and LAX-PVG. ATL-PVG is starting this summer. There are no plans for a SFO-PEK flight. SFO-PEK would be one-stop via SEA on DL.
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Jan 24, 2018, 7:57 pm
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Delta already has some illogical non-hub flights to Europe, I wouldn't be surprised if they added some illogical ones to the west coast as well. The east coast flights are all due to business travel mostly, but I could see them potentially wanting to get in on the heavy Asian population on the west coast from a non-hub city such as SFO or OAK.
Jan 24, 2018, 8:13 pm
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Delta and United have no overlap in the PEK-USA market. Maybe you are mixing Beijing and Shanghai, where both airlines fly PVG-LAX, or you are switching AA and DL, as both AA and UA fly PEK-ORD.
If you are talking about SFO-PEK... DL has no nonstop options (neither does their codeshare partner China Eastern) so you must be seeing a one stop option through SEA.
If you are talking about SFO-PEK... DL has no nonstop options (neither does their codeshare partner China Eastern) so you must be seeing a one stop option through SEA.
Jan 24, 2018, 8:33 pm
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Delta doesn't have a single TPAC non stop from SFO. And they can't start a new daily route to either PEK or PVG because the US carriers have run out of route authorities for those cities under the US-China bilateral. There is only one weekly flight unallocated, plus three dormant after United pulled the 3x weekly SFO-HGH. They are starting ATL-PVG by transferring their existing NRT-PVG fifth freedom.
DL flies to PEK from DTW and SEA, and the SEA flight is on a 763.The only competition to PEK from the Bay Area is Air China ex-SFO and Hainan ex-SJC.
DL flies to PEK from DTW and SEA, and the SEA flight is on a 763.The only competition to PEK from the Bay Area is Air China ex-SFO and Hainan ex-SJC.
Jan 24, 2018, 8:39 pm
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Delta doesn't have a single TPAC non stop from SFO. And they can't start a new daily route to either PEK or PVG because the US carriers have run out of route authorities for those cities under the US-China bilateral. There is only one weekly flight unallocated, plus three dormant after United pulled the 3x weekly SFO-HGH. They are starting ATL-PVG by transferring their existing NRT-PVG fifth freedom.
DL flies to PEK from DTW and SEA, and the SEA flight is on a 763.The only competition to PEK from the Bay Area is Air China ex-SFO and Hainan ex-SJC.
DL flies to PEK from DTW and SEA, and the SEA flight is on a 763.The only competition to PEK from the Bay Area is Air China ex-SFO and Hainan ex-SJC.
Jan 24, 2018, 10:19 pm
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Delta already has some illogical non-hub flights to Europe, I wouldn't be surprised if they added some illogical ones to the west coast as well. The east coast flights are all due to business travel mostly, but I could see them potentially wanting to get in on the heavy Asian population on the west coast from a non-hub city such as SFO or OAK.
But back to topic, UA SFO-PEK flight is probably expensive because it's only 1 of 2 non-stop flights, and they're offering the 77W Polaris seats which are much better than CA business seats (same as sCO seats).