Crossing the line? Rights of UA passenger when animals are on the flight.
#46
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I previously reported on FT (and wrote to GS) that on a PS flight there were two dogs in bulkhead seats in first class. Neither was in their carrier and one paid attention throughout the flight to any food that was on my tray. The dog's owner slept through most of the flight. GS responded to me claiming that they have to allow emotional support animals and they totally ignored their published policy which I cited in my email. So the bottom line is what they publish in terms of policy about pets has little to do with what actually happens on a UA flight.
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Thank you for this clarification. You are correct, I was referring to the policy on pets without appreciating the claim that emotional support animals do not travel under the same rules as pets. Of course it brings up the quandary When is a pet an emotional support animal and are there any emotional support animals that are not pets? I think pets are wonderful but I'm not comfortable with the dramatic increase of pets in aircraft cabins under the provision of allowing emotional support animals - especially when owners ignore animals that become a nuisance to other passengers.
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I plan to travel for the first time with an in cabin pet in January. I will keep him under the seat in a carrier and we are on paid first class fares.
If a fellow passenger had an allergy problem that they objected to I would expect that passenger to be reaccomodated on a non-pet flight if required. It’s practically not possible to identify a flight for me to be reaccomodated on with a non-allergic passenger because United has no record of this. However, United DOES know which flights likely won’t have pets.
If a fellow passenger had an allergy problem that they objected to I would expect that passenger to be reaccomodated on a non-pet flight if required. It’s practically not possible to identify a flight for me to be reaccomodated on with a non-allergic passenger because United has no record of this. However, United DOES know which flights likely won’t have pets.
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I plan to travel for the first time with an in cabin pet in January. I will keep him under the seat in a carrier and we are on paid first class fares.
If a fellow passenger had an allergy problem that they objected to I would expect that passenger to be reaccomodated on a non-pet flight if required. It’s practically not possible to identify a flight for me to be reaccomodated on with a non-allergic passenger because United has no record of this. However, United DOES know which flights likely won’t have pets.
If a fellow passenger had an allergy problem that they objected to I would expect that passenger to be reaccomodated on a non-pet flight if required. It’s practically not possible to identify a flight for me to be reaccomodated on with a non-allergic passenger because United has no record of this. However, United DOES know which flights likely won’t have pets.
Will your pet be an ESA or Service animal? If not then the other option is for the animal to be placed in the hold. There is no reason for the other passenger to be displaced in that case.
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As an initial step, I would petition United Airlines to make a slight change in the rules that United Airlines has published to comply with U.S. government regulations.
As cited by PsuedoEuropeanGuy, United Airlines currently requires that the passenger have "current documentation" (no older than one year) from a licensed mental health professional in order to travel on United Airlines with an emotional support animal.
Since that documentation must stipulate that...
...should it be assumed that that "need" will simply disappear within a year's time?
I think United Airlines should change the "within one year" policy to indicate that the authorization will remain in effect in perpetuiity or until the passenger presents a letter from a licensed mental health professional certifying that he or she has been "cured" from the "need" to travel with an ESA. United Airlines should also annotate the profile of each passenger accordingly so that, once a passenger has been certified as "needing" an ESA to travel, then that passenger henceforth MUST have an ESA in his or her possession whenever he or she attempts to board a United Airlines flight (until such time as he or she presents documentation rescinding the "prescription").
This slight change in policy wouldn't affect anyone who genuinely needs an ESA to travel on United Airlines, but would make it more complicated for those who are claiming a pet as an ESA for reasons of sheer convenience or economics. Also, any passenger who is found to be regularly "changing" his or her ESA status (I need it, I need it not. I need it, I need it not) will raise a red flag in the system that might permit United Airlines to dig deeper into the credentials and qualifications of whatever "mental health professional" the passenger is using for his or her "on again / off again" mental illness.
Definitely not a panacea, but I think it would be a good first step within the constraints imposed by the government.
As cited by PsuedoEuropeanGuy, United Airlines currently requires that the passenger have "current documentation" (no older than one year) from a licensed mental health professional in order to travel on United Airlines with an emotional support animal.
Since that documentation must stipulate that...
(2) The passenger needs the emotional support or psychiatric service animal as an accommodation for air travel and/or for activity at the passenger's destination;
I think United Airlines should change the "within one year" policy to indicate that the authorization will remain in effect in perpetuiity or until the passenger presents a letter from a licensed mental health professional certifying that he or she has been "cured" from the "need" to travel with an ESA. United Airlines should also annotate the profile of each passenger accordingly so that, once a passenger has been certified as "needing" an ESA to travel, then that passenger henceforth MUST have an ESA in his or her possession whenever he or she attempts to board a United Airlines flight (until such time as he or she presents documentation rescinding the "prescription").
This slight change in policy wouldn't affect anyone who genuinely needs an ESA to travel on United Airlines, but would make it more complicated for those who are claiming a pet as an ESA for reasons of sheer convenience or economics. Also, any passenger who is found to be regularly "changing" his or her ESA status (I need it, I need it not. I need it, I need it not) will raise a red flag in the system that might permit United Airlines to dig deeper into the credentials and qualifications of whatever "mental health professional" the passenger is using for his or her "on again / off again" mental illness.
Definitely not a panacea, but I think it would be a good first step within the constraints imposed by the government.
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I plan to travel for the first time with an in cabin pet in January. I will keep him under the seat in a carrier and we are on paid first class fares.
If a fellow passenger had an allergy problem that they objected to I would expect that passenger to be reaccomodated on a non-pet flight if required. It’s practically not possible to identify a flight for me to be reaccomodated on with a non-allergic passenger because United has no record of this. However, United DOES know which flights likely won’t have pets.
If a fellow passenger had an allergy problem that they objected to I would expect that passenger to be reaccomodated on a non-pet flight if required. It’s practically not possible to identify a flight for me to be reaccomodated on with a non-allergic passenger because United has no record of this. However, United DOES know which flights likely won’t have pets.
#53
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As it is, as a GS on a paid first class ticket on a 1.5 hour flight, I expect I won’t have any issues.
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I think United Airlines should change the "within one year" policy to indicate that the authorization will remain in effect in perpetuiity or until the passenger presents a letter from a licensed mental health professional certifying that he or she has been "cured" from the "need" to travel with an ESA. United Airlines should also annotate the profile of each passenger accordingly so that, once a passenger has been certified as "needing" an ESA to travel, then that passenger henceforth MUST have an ESA in his or her possession whenever he or she attempts to board a United Airlines flight (until such time as he or she presents documentation rescinding the "prescription").
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Sorry, you're wrong. The passenger bringing the service animal or comfort animal is protected under the law. UA must accommodate them under terms of the law. You're not protected as an allergy sufferer with attitude.
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In this case the discussion was around a pet, not a ESA. Still, I do not believe there are any such accommodations United will make to force a pet off the flight in favor of an allergy sufferer.
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The airlines are too afraid of bad p.r. to stand up for themselves when they're in the right. No way they're going to risk the wrath of activists everywhere over this. A guy on a Delta flight was bit in the face by an *emotional support pit bull* (!) back in June or July, and absolutely nothing has changed since.
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As an initial step, I would petition United Airlines to make a slight change in the rules that United Airlines has published to comply with U.S. government regulations.
As cited by PsuedoEuropeanGuy, United Airlines currently requires that the passenger have "current documentation" (no older than one year) from a licensed mental health professional in order to travel on United Airlines with an emotional support animal.
Since that documentation must stipulate that...
...should it be assumed that that "need" will simply disappear within a year's time?
I think United Airlines should change the "within one year" policy to indicate that the authorization will remain in effect in perpetuiity or until the passenger presents a letter from a licensed mental health professional certifying that he or she has been "cured" from the "need" to travel with an ESA. United Airlines should also annotate the profile of each passenger accordingly so that, once a passenger has been certified as "needing" an ESA to travel, then that passenger henceforth MUST have an ESA in his or her possession whenever he or she attempts to board a United Airlines flight (until such time as he or she presents documentation rescinding the "prescription").
This slight change in policy wouldn't affect anyone who genuinely needs an ESA to travel on United Airlines, but would make it more complicated for those who are claiming a pet as an ESA for reasons of sheer convenience or economics. Also, any passenger who is found to be regularly "changing" his or her ESA status (I need it, I need it not. I need it, I need it not) will raise a red flag in the system that might permit United Airlines to dig deeper into the credentials and qualifications of whatever "mental health professional" the passenger is using for his or her "on again / off again" mental illness.
Definitely not a panacea, but I think it would be a good first step within the constraints imposed by the government.
As cited by PsuedoEuropeanGuy, United Airlines currently requires that the passenger have "current documentation" (no older than one year) from a licensed mental health professional in order to travel on United Airlines with an emotional support animal.
Since that documentation must stipulate that...
...should it be assumed that that "need" will simply disappear within a year's time?
I think United Airlines should change the "within one year" policy to indicate that the authorization will remain in effect in perpetuiity or until the passenger presents a letter from a licensed mental health professional certifying that he or she has been "cured" from the "need" to travel with an ESA. United Airlines should also annotate the profile of each passenger accordingly so that, once a passenger has been certified as "needing" an ESA to travel, then that passenger henceforth MUST have an ESA in his or her possession whenever he or she attempts to board a United Airlines flight (until such time as he or she presents documentation rescinding the "prescription").
This slight change in policy wouldn't affect anyone who genuinely needs an ESA to travel on United Airlines, but would make it more complicated for those who are claiming a pet as an ESA for reasons of sheer convenience or economics. Also, any passenger who is found to be regularly "changing" his or her ESA status (I need it, I need it not. I need it, I need it not) will raise a red flag in the system that might permit United Airlines to dig deeper into the credentials and qualifications of whatever "mental health professional" the passenger is using for his or her "on again / off again" mental illness.
Definitely not a panacea, but I think it would be a good first step within the constraints imposed by the government.
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The passenger has represented to the airline that he or she "needs" Emotional Support Animal A in order to safely fly.
The passenger then shows up to board a later flight without Emotional Support Animal A.
The airline says "Uh uh. You (and your shrink) have represented that it would be unsafe for you to fly without ESA A. For your safety and that of everyone else on the plane, you cannot board this flight without ESA A or a letter from your shrink declaring that you are 'cured'."
I think the publicity would be stupendous!