Jun 29, 2017, 10:49 am
Last edit by: WineCountryUA
Award redemption changes coming Nov. 1, 2017
http://mileageplusupdates.com/ (Thanks @joelfreak for providing link.) *NEW* November 1, 2017 award chart
TPG has some tables showing changes to redemption costs.
https://thepointsguy.com/2017/06/uni...eryday-awards/
http://mileageplusupdates.com/ (Thanks @joelfreak for providing link.)
- Standard awards being replaced by "EveryDay Award" -- variable pricing
- Some increases in longer haul international premium cabin saver awards (Generally 10% or less if any at all)
- Some decreases on shorter non-stop partner saver flights outside the US
- No changes for North America saver economy
- No-show award redeposit fee $125 -- for everyone, no elite exemption.
- Round the World awards are gone
- No changes in UA/UX/Copa or *A mileage upgrades
TPG has some tables showing changes to redemption costs.
https://thepointsguy.com/2017/06/uni...eryday-awards/
What if I need to change my existing Standard Award on or after November 1, 2017?
Any changes will require a ticket reissue and new pricing and additional fees may apply.
Any changes will require a ticket reissue and new pricing and additional fees may apply.
UA MP award changes 1 Nov 2017 (Everyday award/dynamic price, No RTW, No Show fee,..)
Jun 30, 2017, 2:26 am
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Like the C increase from 30k to 50k, the F increase (to 65k) is well over 60%.
One of the few routes for which UA miles were better value that AA is totally blowing out to make AA's value far superior.
Jun 30, 2017, 2:53 am
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What AA and DL did when doing this kind of change doesn't inspire confidence that UA's move is going to be good for mileage-using customers in the main when it comes to general members using miles for flights within 24-72-hours.
Jun 30, 2017, 6:07 am
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Jun 30, 2017, 6:12 am
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Since Hawaii rewards have pretty much vanished in F; standard being 90k and going to 95 for "everyday" could have been worse.
That said, AA is 67,500 for most days on their anytime awards up to 90. Looks like one area where AA wins. 67.5 is a far cry from 95.
That said, AA is 67,500 for most days on their anytime awards up to 90. Looks like one area where AA wins. 67.5 is a far cry from 95.
Jun 30, 2017, 6:55 am
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That's a bummer to hear - so basically awards through send of September and then after that we'll have to hope for a nice agent or be stuck with the higher prices
Jun 30, 2017, 7:57 am
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Everyone's goals for planning award travel with Mileage Plus seem to be quite varied. The announced changes might be of no impact, or big impact. For me, 180K Mileage Plus points for a RT business class ticket on partner airlines from LAX to SE Asia will be a deal-breaker. There are several competitors that require fewer miles for such a trip, including some Star Alliance partners. For my travel aspirations, I will look to bank or transfer miles elsewhere in the future.
Jun 30, 2017, 8:30 am
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Everyone's goals for planning award travel with Mileage Plus seem to be quite varied. The announced changes might be of no impact, or big impact. For me, 180K Mileage Plus points for a RT business class ticket on partner airlines from LAX to SE Asia will be a deal-breaker. There are several competitors that require fewer miles for such a trip, including some Star Alliance partners. For my travel aspirations, I will look to bank or transfer miles elsewhere in the future.
Jun 30, 2017, 9:14 am
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All of this is why I use my Chase Sapphire Reserve card. I hold all my miles with Chase, then transfer them to whatever airlines has best points redemption at the time. I can also still get F class Singapore Air, which we cannot get at all thru United at any award price.
Jun 30, 2017, 9:22 am
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When American made a similar change a few years ago to dynamic standard awards I figured it would be a minimal change as I never redeemed standard awards anyway.
Wow, was I ever wrong. As others have pointed out, AA saver award availability was massively reduced. It was enough to make me bail on AA even though I'm less than 50,000 miles away from Lifetime Platinum.
Only time will tell how UA proceeds with this.
Wow, was I ever wrong. As others have pointed out, AA saver award availability was massively reduced. It was enough to make me bail on AA even though I'm less than 50,000 miles away from Lifetime Platinum.
Only time will tell how UA proceeds with this.
Jun 30, 2017, 9:25 am
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When American made a similar change a few years ago to dynamic standard awards I figured it would be a minimal change as I never redeemed standard awards anyway.
Wow, was I ever wrong. As others have pointed out, AA saver award availability was massively reduced. It was enough to make me bail on AA even though I'm less than 50,000 miles away from Lifetime Platinum.
Only time will tell how UA proceeds with this.
Wow, was I ever wrong. As others have pointed out, AA saver award availability was massively reduced. It was enough to make me bail on AA even though I'm less than 50,000 miles away from Lifetime Platinum.
Only time will tell how UA proceeds with this.
Jun 30, 2017, 9:27 am
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Jun 30, 2017, 9:31 am
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Also, I think it's no mistake that UA says there will be a chart for Everyday awards.
Jun 30, 2017, 9:34 am
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Just because UA still doesn't charge YQ on any UA-issued mileage tickets is an advantage of sorts, but that's just like saying it's better that the mafia enforcer just used a knife to stab an extortion target in one thigh now instead of both thighs at the same time. It's still not good.
{C}ustomers are in line to again get hit by that which is designed in the aggregate to take more miles from customers while giving less in return for each mile redeemed. The number of UA miles required per mile flown using UA mileage tickets is slated for another increase at the customers' expense.
{C}ustomers are in line to again get hit by that which is designed in the aggregate to take more miles from customers while giving less in return for each mile redeemed. The number of UA miles required per mile flown using UA mileage tickets is slated for another increase at the customers' expense.
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Jun 30, 2017, 9:39 am
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There's also context to take into account. No one likes devaluations, but compared to other devaluations we've seen and experienced, this doesn't seem so bad. Kinda like scraping your knee is no big deal compared to breaking your leg!
Jun 30, 2017, 9:44 am
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It's "nice" that they tell us that in X months they will only stab us once in a thigh. What they haven't highlighted is that these changes are part of a strategy to get at stabbing customers in the thigh more than just once.