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Statement from United Airlines Regarding Resolution with Dr. David Dao - released 27 April 2017
CHICAGO, April 27, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- We are pleased to report that United and Dr. Dao have reached an amicable resolution of the unfortunate incident that occurred aboard flight 3411. We look forward to implementing the improvements we have announced, which will put our customers at the center of everything we do.
DOT findings related to the UA3411 9 April 2017 IDB incident 12 May 2017

What facts do we know?
  • UA3411, operated by Republic Airways, ORD-SDF on Sunday, April 9, 2017. UA3411 was the second to last flight to SDF for United. AA3509 and UA4771 were the two remaining departures for the day. Also, AA and DL had connecting options providing for same-day arrival in SDF.
  • After the flight was fully boarded, United determined four seats were needed to accommodate crew to SDF for a flight on Monday.
  • United solicited volunteers for VDB. (BUT stopped at $800 in UA$s, not cash). Chose not to go to the levels such as 1350 that airlines have been known to go even in case of weather impacted disruption)
  • After receiving no volunteers for $800 vouchers, a passenger volunteered for $1,600 and was "laughed at" and refused, United determined four passengers to be removed from the flight.
  • One passenger refused and Chicago Aviation Security Officers were called to forcibly remove the passenger.
  • The passenger hit the armrest in the aisle and received a concussion, a broken nose, a bloodied lip, and the loss of two teeth.
  • After being removed from the plane, the passenger re-boarded saying "I need to go home" repeatedly, before being removed again.
  • United spokesman Jonathan Guerin said the flight was sold out — but not oversold. Instead, United and regional affiliate Republic Airlines – the unit that operated Flight 3411 – decided they had to remove four passengers from the flight to accommodate crewmembers who were needed in Louisville the next day for a “downline connection.”

United Express Flight 3411 Review and Action Report - released 27 April 2017

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Internal Communication by Oscar Munoz
Oscar Munoz sent an internal communication to UA employees (sources: View From The Wing, Chicago Tribune):
Dear Team,

Like you, I was upset to see and hear about what happened last night aboard United Express Flight 3411 headed from Chicago to Louisville. While the facts and circumstances are still evolving, especially with respect to why this customer defied Chicago Aviation Security Officers the way he did, to give you a clearer picture of what transpired, I've included below a recap from the preliminary reports filed by our employees.

As you will read, this situation was unfortunately compounded when one of the passengers we politely asked to deplane refused and it became necessary to contact Chicago Aviation Security Officers to help. Our employees followed established procedures for dealing with situations like this. While I deeply regret this situation arose, I also emphatically stand behind all of you, and I want to commend you for continuing to go above and beyond to ensure we fly right.

I do, however, believe there are lessons we can learn from this experience, and we are taking a close look at the circumstances surrounding this incident. Treating our customers and each other with respect and dignity is at the core of who we are, and we must always remember this no matter how challenging the situation.

Oscar

Summary of Flight 3411
  • On Sunday, April 9, after United Express Flight 3411 was fully boarded, United's gate agents were approached by crewmembers that were told they needed to board the flight.
  • We sought volunteers and then followed our involuntary denial of boarding process (including offering up to $1,000 in compensation) and when we approached one of these passengers to explain apologetically that he was being denied boarding, he raised his voice and refused to comply with crew member instructions.
  • He was approached a few more times after that in order to gain his compliance to come off the aircraft, and each time he refused and became more and more disruptive and belligerent.
  • Our agents were left with no choice but to call Chicago Aviation Security Officers to assist in removing the customer from the flight. He repeatedly declined to leave.
  • Chicago Aviation Security Officers were unable to gain his cooperation and physically removed him from the flight as he continued to resist - running back onto the aircraft in defiance of both our crew and security officials.
Email sent to all employees at 2:08PM on Tuesday, April 11.
Dear Team,

The truly horrific event that occurred on this flight has elicited many responses from all of us: outrage, anger, disappointment. I share all of those sentiments, and one above all: my deepest apologies for what happened. Like you, I continue to be disturbed by what happened on this flight and I deeply apologize to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be mistreated this way.

I want you to know that we take full responsibility and we will work to make it right.

It’s never too late to do the right thing. I have committed to our customers and our employees that we are going to fix what’s broken so this never happens again. This will include a thorough review of crew movement, our policies for incentivizing volunteers in these situations, how we handle oversold situations and an examination of how we partner with airport authorities and local law enforcement. We’ll communicate the results of our review by April 30th.

I promise you we will do better.

Sincerely,

Oscar
Statement to customers - 27 April 2017
Each flight you take with us represents an important promise we make to you, our customer. It's not simply that we make sure you reach your destination safely and on time, but also that you will be treated with the highest level of service and the deepest sense of dignity and respect.

Earlier this month, we broke that trust when a passenger was forcibly removed from one of our planes. We can never say we are sorry enough for what occurred, but we also know meaningful actions will speak louder than words.

For the past several weeks, we have been urgently working to answer two questions: How did this happen, and how can we do our best to ensure this never happens again?

It happened because our corporate policies were placed ahead of our shared values. Our procedures got in the way of our employees doing what they know is right.

Fixing that problem starts now with changing how we fly, serve and respect our customers. This is a turning point for all of us here at United – and as CEO, it's my responsibility to make sure that we learn from this experience and redouble our efforts to put our customers at the center of everything we do.

That’s why we announced that we will no longer ask law enforcement to remove customers from a flight and customers will not be required to give up their seat once on board – except in matters of safety or security.

We also know that despite our best efforts, when things don’t go the way they should, we need to be there for you to make things right. There are several new ways we’re going to do just that.

We will increase incentives for voluntary rebooking up to $10,000 and will be eliminating the red tape on permanently lost bags with a new "no-questions-asked" $1,500 reimbursement policy. We will also be rolling out a new app for our employees that will enable them to provide on-the-spot goodwill gestures in the form of miles, travel credit and other amenities when your experience with us misses the mark. You can learn more about these commitments and many other changes at hub.united.com.

While these actions are important, I have found myself reflecting more broadly on the role we play and the responsibilities we have to you and the communities we serve.

I believe we must go further in redefining what United's corporate citizenship looks like in our society. If our chief good as a company is only getting you to and from your destination, that would show a lack of moral imagination on our part. You can and ought to expect more from us, and we intend to live up to those higher expectations in the way we embody social responsibility and civic leadership everywhere we operate. I hope you will see that pledge express itself in our actions going forward, of which these initial, though important, changes are merely a first step.

Our goal should be nothing less than to make you truly proud to say, "I fly United."

Ultimately, the measure of our success is your satisfaction and the past several weeks have moved us to go further than ever before in elevating your experience with us. I know our 87,000 employees have taken this message to heart, and they are as energized as ever to fulfill our promise to serve you better with each flight and earn the trust you’ve given us.

We are working harder than ever for the privilege to serve you and I know we will be stronger, better and the customer-focused airline you expect and deserve.

With Great Gratitude,

Oscar Munoz
CEO
United Airlines
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Occasionally we may not be able to provide you with a seat on a specific flight, even if you hold a ticket, have checked in, are present to board on time, and comply with other requirements. This is called an oversale, and occurs when restrictions apply to operating a particular flight safely (such as aircraft weight limits); when we have to substitute a smaller aircraft in place of a larger aircraft that was originally scheduled; or if more customers have checked in and are prepared to board than we have available seats.

If your flight is in an oversale situation, you will not be denied a seat until we first ask for volunteers willing to give up their confirmed seats. If there are not enough volunteers, we will deny boarding to passengers in accordance with our written policy on boarding priority. If you are involuntarily denied boarding and have complied with our check-in and other applicable rules, we will give you a written statement that describes your rights and explains how we determine boarding priority for an oversold flight. You will generally be entitled to compensation and transportation on an alternate flight.

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Old Apr 12, 2017, 12:04 pm
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Originally Posted by desi
Facts:

Munoz lied when he said that flight was overbooked. It was NOT.
All the rules related IDB applies to overbooking. That was not the case here.
Munoz also lied when he said 1000 USD was offered. Amount went up only to 800. (far short of 1350 threshold)

Gate Agent is not part of flight crew. All the rules/laws about following instructions of flight crew dont apply in this case.

Random selection is not mention in CoC. Dont believe this was done randomly. (United is not known to use random process for IDB)

There was no IDB here. This was forced disembarkation.


Opinion:

6 figure comp is a very low number. That may be amount coming from Chicago Aviation Security. United will certainly pay in 7 figures.
Moreover, the offer was for a UA voucher good for one year, etc., for a 800 credit toward purchase of UA flights. It was not $800 in money.
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Old Apr 12, 2017, 12:04 pm
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Originally Posted by mre5765
lol. His own police force toss him under the bus in a public statement.

If he keeps his job, it will be on traffic duty at arrivals, policing Ubers. Orange vest in -40 degrees in the winter.
If it's -40 F, it's not so bad. -40 C, though...
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Old Apr 12, 2017, 12:07 pm
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
Why doesn't a huge public firm keep a crisis management firm on retainer>
You'd think this would be common sense to UA mgmt. But "UA mgmt" and "common sense" aren't two terms that go together very well.
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Old Apr 12, 2017, 12:07 pm
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Originally Posted by Carl Johnson
If it's -40 F, it's not so bad. -40 C, though...
-40 C and -40 F are the exact same temperature...
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Old Apr 12, 2017, 12:12 pm
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Btw, survey shows that "have to go home" and "just kill me" are the two most common thoughts of passengers flying UA...
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Old Apr 12, 2017, 12:21 pm
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Originally Posted by nk15
Btw, survey shows that "have to go home" and "just kill me" are the two most common thoughts of passengers flying UA...
Haha love this.

I know I've thought of this more than a few times while travelling US domestic airlines.
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Old Apr 12, 2017, 12:26 pm
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Originally Posted by nk15
Btw, survey shows that "have to go home" and "just kill me" are the two most common thoughts of passengers flying UA...
Which is why I'm on Amtrak a lot more (if I travel at all)
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Old Apr 12, 2017, 12:34 pm
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Originally Posted by leungy18
-40 C and -40 F are the exact same temperature...
Yeah, but -40 C feels much colder
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Old Apr 12, 2017, 12:35 pm
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
Moreover, the offer was for a UA voucher good for one year, etc., for a 800 credit toward purchase of UA flights. It was not $800 in money.
I don't believe he said one thousand was offered, I believe he said one thousand in compensation was offered. Which seems to be an 800 dollar voucher the passenger didn't want, and a hotel room the passenger definitely didn't want. This was part of what made the initial response by Munoz so terrible - it was dishonest and tone deaf.

That said ... unless there are some limited federal regulations the airlines will continue to engage in predatory practices based on their ability to leverage law enforcement to intervene on their behalf with contract disputes and the lack of options for the travelling public. The laws are stacked against passengers giving the airlines broad authority in the name of safety but which really are more about their bottom line.
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Old Apr 12, 2017, 12:36 pm
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Originally Posted by CDTraveler
Not every forced removal is comparable to what happened in this case.
True, though I was on a Republic flight at ORD that was delayed for a very similar reason, however, it was the Chicago PD that deescalated the situation, ironically because a self-entitled passenger called them to complain about what was ultimately a cultural misunderstanding (she wanted an upgrade really bad, is all I can say). The Aviation Security folks, much like the goons you saw on that video, acting on the color of authority of the self-deputized FA wanted to crack skulls. If it wasn't for a gray-haired, gentlemanly Chicago PD cop who had the foresight to get someone to translate and found out the Ethiopian refugees aboard the plane were in a panic because they believed the FA and the aviation police were trying to force them to go back to their own country (after self-entitled passenger insulted them with "go back to your own country" they understood that), it would have been another one for YouTube. Instead, they de-boarded and got some much-needed rest, and everyone was happy. More to that story, obviously, but I'm not going to summarize two and a half hours of that debacle here.

It's not a new issue either, after 9/11, there's been a real problem with police and security operating under the color of authority of airline employees. I understand what that's like, because I used to be an airline employee, and after 9/11 they kind of deputized all of us under penalty of stiff fines if we didn't report security incidents. It's the FA's who use that authority either because they want to be a hero on the evening news or use it to leverage authority against others, because they otherwise feel powerless, who are the problems IMHO.
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Old Apr 12, 2017, 12:39 pm
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Originally Posted by leungy18
-40 C and -40 F are the exact same temperature...
I thought you were horribly mistaken. Then I did the math. Who knew? Lol
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Old Apr 12, 2017, 12:41 pm
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Originally Posted by CDTraveler
I doubt that the FA's will become reluctant to call for help with a clearly out of control passenger, in part because when someone is out of control the other pax probably want the troublemaker off the plane just as much as crew do. I was on an AA flight last summer where there was a woman clearly under the influence of some controlled substance (she reeked of booze) all through boarding she was screaming at the crew, blocking the aisle, etc. Finally the Captain asked her to leave, then she buckled herself in. A few minutes later LEO's came on board and eventually had to carry her off the plane. Then the rest of pax applauded. Any video taken of that incident would show a screaming, belligerent pax with whom the crew made multiple attempts to calm down before they escalated and multiple attempts by the LEO's to persuade her to leave on her own 2 feet before they physically removed her. She was put into a squad car on the tarmac after being taken off the plane.

Not every forced removal is comparable to what happened in this case.
Maybe. But I think it is more human nature to be risk averse. And there are a lot of gradations between polite refusal and screaming belligerence. If in any doubt, ignore the troublemaker and don't call the police, seems one of the lessons to me.
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Old Apr 12, 2017, 12:41 pm
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Originally Posted by mre5765
So what if Replublic discovered this:

- After the door was closed

- After the plane pulls away from the gate

- After the plane taxis toward runway

- After the plane reaches runway

- Just as the plane takes off

- Just after the plane takes off

- Before the plane leaves Illinois

What point is no longer acceptable to interrupt the flight?
before the door is closed..if you want to play the "what if" game.
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Old Apr 12, 2017, 12:50 pm
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Originally Posted by WorldLux
Great...

1) Gets the short stick because UA can't plan ahead
2) Gets the short stick because UA calls the cops on him for refusing 1)
3) Gets accused of very serious crimes
4) (Some) people presume that because of 3) is automatically more dangerous/aggressive
3) Is accused of being a convicted criminal with little more evidence that the name was the same - bit like the no-fly list really.

You also missed out that he was accused of assaulting various people whilst being removed from the plane
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Old Apr 12, 2017, 12:51 pm
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Originally Posted by featheroleather
before the door is closed..if you want to play the "what if" game.
Everyone who has worked on an airline knows that until you button up the plane and arm the door, you're still boarding. However, as I learned in my business life the hard way, its a well-established legal principle that if you have a contract with a layperson, it's the "common understanding" of a term, not the industry-specific understanding, that is the only one relevant for "what if" scenarios.

I think the general public thinks that when they are on board a plane, they've boarded, and the law is on their side on that unless the CoC specifically defines what it means to "board." I don't believe it does.
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