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Statement from United Airlines Regarding Resolution with Dr. David Dao - released 27 April 2017
CHICAGO, April 27, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- We are pleased to report that United and Dr. Dao have reached an amicable resolution of the unfortunate incident that occurred aboard flight 3411. We look forward to implementing the improvements we have announced, which will put our customers at the center of everything we do.
DOT findings related to the UA3411 9 April 2017 IDB incident 12 May 2017

What facts do we know?
  • UA3411, operated by Republic Airways, ORD-SDF on Sunday, April 9, 2017. UA3411 was the second to last flight to SDF for United. AA3509 and UA4771 were the two remaining departures for the day. Also, AA and DL had connecting options providing for same-day arrival in SDF.
  • After the flight was fully boarded, United determined four seats were needed to accommodate crew to SDF for a flight on Monday.
  • United solicited volunteers for VDB. (BUT stopped at $800 in UA$s, not cash). Chose not to go to the levels such as 1350 that airlines have been known to go even in case of weather impacted disruption)
  • After receiving no volunteers for $800 vouchers, a passenger volunteered for $1,600 and was "laughed at" and refused, United determined four passengers to be removed from the flight.
  • One passenger refused and Chicago Aviation Security Officers were called to forcibly remove the passenger.
  • The passenger hit the armrest in the aisle and received a concussion, a broken nose, a bloodied lip, and the loss of two teeth.
  • After being removed from the plane, the passenger re-boarded saying "I need to go home" repeatedly, before being removed again.
  • United spokesman Jonathan Guerin said the flight was sold out — but not oversold. Instead, United and regional affiliate Republic Airlines – the unit that operated Flight 3411 – decided they had to remove four passengers from the flight to accommodate crewmembers who were needed in Louisville the next day for a “downline connection.”

United Express Flight 3411 Review and Action Report - released 27 April 2017

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Internal Communication by Oscar Munoz
Oscar Munoz sent an internal communication to UA employees (sources: View From The Wing, Chicago Tribune):
Dear Team,

Like you, I was upset to see and hear about what happened last night aboard United Express Flight 3411 headed from Chicago to Louisville. While the facts and circumstances are still evolving, especially with respect to why this customer defied Chicago Aviation Security Officers the way he did, to give you a clearer picture of what transpired, I've included below a recap from the preliminary reports filed by our employees.

As you will read, this situation was unfortunately compounded when one of the passengers we politely asked to deplane refused and it became necessary to contact Chicago Aviation Security Officers to help. Our employees followed established procedures for dealing with situations like this. While I deeply regret this situation arose, I also emphatically stand behind all of you, and I want to commend you for continuing to go above and beyond to ensure we fly right.

I do, however, believe there are lessons we can learn from this experience, and we are taking a close look at the circumstances surrounding this incident. Treating our customers and each other with respect and dignity is at the core of who we are, and we must always remember this no matter how challenging the situation.

Oscar

Summary of Flight 3411
  • On Sunday, April 9, after United Express Flight 3411 was fully boarded, United's gate agents were approached by crewmembers that were told they needed to board the flight.
  • We sought volunteers and then followed our involuntary denial of boarding process (including offering up to $1,000 in compensation) and when we approached one of these passengers to explain apologetically that he was being denied boarding, he raised his voice and refused to comply with crew member instructions.
  • He was approached a few more times after that in order to gain his compliance to come off the aircraft, and each time he refused and became more and more disruptive and belligerent.
  • Our agents were left with no choice but to call Chicago Aviation Security Officers to assist in removing the customer from the flight. He repeatedly declined to leave.
  • Chicago Aviation Security Officers were unable to gain his cooperation and physically removed him from the flight as he continued to resist - running back onto the aircraft in defiance of both our crew and security officials.
Email sent to all employees at 2:08PM on Tuesday, April 11.
Dear Team,

The truly horrific event that occurred on this flight has elicited many responses from all of us: outrage, anger, disappointment. I share all of those sentiments, and one above all: my deepest apologies for what happened. Like you, I continue to be disturbed by what happened on this flight and I deeply apologize to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be mistreated this way.

I want you to know that we take full responsibility and we will work to make it right.

It’s never too late to do the right thing. I have committed to our customers and our employees that we are going to fix what’s broken so this never happens again. This will include a thorough review of crew movement, our policies for incentivizing volunteers in these situations, how we handle oversold situations and an examination of how we partner with airport authorities and local law enforcement. We’ll communicate the results of our review by April 30th.

I promise you we will do better.

Sincerely,

Oscar
Statement to customers - 27 April 2017
Each flight you take with us represents an important promise we make to you, our customer. It's not simply that we make sure you reach your destination safely and on time, but also that you will be treated with the highest level of service and the deepest sense of dignity and respect.

Earlier this month, we broke that trust when a passenger was forcibly removed from one of our planes. We can never say we are sorry enough for what occurred, but we also know meaningful actions will speak louder than words.

For the past several weeks, we have been urgently working to answer two questions: How did this happen, and how can we do our best to ensure this never happens again?

It happened because our corporate policies were placed ahead of our shared values. Our procedures got in the way of our employees doing what they know is right.

Fixing that problem starts now with changing how we fly, serve and respect our customers. This is a turning point for all of us here at United – and as CEO, it's my responsibility to make sure that we learn from this experience and redouble our efforts to put our customers at the center of everything we do.

That’s why we announced that we will no longer ask law enforcement to remove customers from a flight and customers will not be required to give up their seat once on board – except in matters of safety or security.

We also know that despite our best efforts, when things don’t go the way they should, we need to be there for you to make things right. There are several new ways we’re going to do just that.

We will increase incentives for voluntary rebooking up to $10,000 and will be eliminating the red tape on permanently lost bags with a new "no-questions-asked" $1,500 reimbursement policy. We will also be rolling out a new app for our employees that will enable them to provide on-the-spot goodwill gestures in the form of miles, travel credit and other amenities when your experience with us misses the mark. You can learn more about these commitments and many other changes at hub.united.com.

While these actions are important, I have found myself reflecting more broadly on the role we play and the responsibilities we have to you and the communities we serve.

I believe we must go further in redefining what United's corporate citizenship looks like in our society. If our chief good as a company is only getting you to and from your destination, that would show a lack of moral imagination on our part. You can and ought to expect more from us, and we intend to live up to those higher expectations in the way we embody social responsibility and civic leadership everywhere we operate. I hope you will see that pledge express itself in our actions going forward, of which these initial, though important, changes are merely a first step.

Our goal should be nothing less than to make you truly proud to say, "I fly United."

Ultimately, the measure of our success is your satisfaction and the past several weeks have moved us to go further than ever before in elevating your experience with us. I know our 87,000 employees have taken this message to heart, and they are as energized as ever to fulfill our promise to serve you better with each flight and earn the trust you’ve given us.

We are working harder than ever for the privilege to serve you and I know we will be stronger, better and the customer-focused airline you expect and deserve.

With Great Gratitude,

Oscar Munoz
CEO
United Airlines
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UA's Customer Commitment says:
Occasionally we may not be able to provide you with a seat on a specific flight, even if you hold a ticket, have checked in, are present to board on time, and comply with other requirements. This is called an oversale, and occurs when restrictions apply to operating a particular flight safely (such as aircraft weight limits); when we have to substitute a smaller aircraft in place of a larger aircraft that was originally scheduled; or if more customers have checked in and are prepared to board than we have available seats.

If your flight is in an oversale situation, you will not be denied a seat until we first ask for volunteers willing to give up their confirmed seats. If there are not enough volunteers, we will deny boarding to passengers in accordance with our written policy on boarding priority. If you are involuntarily denied boarding and have complied with our check-in and other applicable rules, we will give you a written statement that describes your rights and explains how we determine boarding priority for an oversold flight. You will generally be entitled to compensation and transportation on an alternate flight.

We make complete rules for the payment of compensation, as well as our policy about boarding priorities, available at airports we serve. We will follow these rules to ensure you are treated fairly. Please be aware that you may be denied boarding without compensation if you do not check in on time or do not meet certain other requirements, or if we offer you alternative transportation that is planned to arrive at your destination or first stopover no later than one hour after the planned arrival time of your original flight.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 7:01 am
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"United’s stock is set to fall 2% and wipe $500 million off the airline’s market cap"

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Old Apr 11, 2017, 7:02 am
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Originally Posted by ShutteLag
then why should they even have police officers who are paid almost $97,000 a year to patrol the airport?
To maintain public safety and ensure that criminal actions are addressed. Not to act as judge, jury and executioner in cases of contract or civil law.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 7:02 am
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Originally Posted by euslaner
UA needs to do something to turn this round. Start with giving redress to the passenger.
It'll take far more than that. For the Chinese market: (a) make Oscar apologise unreservedly before firing him and (b) Chairman makes an apology speech in English and Mandarin, makes a substantial donation to a charitable cause, and bows deeply at the end of his speech.

I doubt there's an element of racism here, but that is what the Chinese perceive it to be, and that is what it will take if they care about their Asian business.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 7:02 am
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I have been IDB'd once, and it was at the gate and that's where it should be. I don't know what the CoC says, but it's not an IDB if you've already B'd IMHO. Just because these contracts of adhesion may allow such things (and I don't think they do - you can't involuntarily deny boarding to someone you've allowed to board), it's still wrong on many levels. I think most people understand oversold but they don't understand getting yanked from a seat they've already boarded.

This will have some, at least short-term, affect on UA. I recently took a UAX flight from ORD-->JAN and it worked out way better than my normal DL MSN>ATL>JAN on Monday morning. Way better -- except for no wi-fi when I usually work on email, but I can download next time. I just got confirmed to be there every week through 6/1. I was going to book the UA out on Monday and DL back on Thursday since I'm already at almost 50MQM with DL and going to easily hit DM with them this year. Nope. This incident has convinced me otherwise. So maybe I'm the only one, but DL just lost 7 1-way tickets @ $300-400 each. Maybe insignificant, but no way would I deal with that.

I don't have kids and even when I work, I can often do it remotely so I am always praying for VDB. My minimum is $500 so I would have taken the $800. I don't get why people didn't, especially for Kentucky. I could get a 1-way rental car for < $100 on my corporate rate, $30 for gas and I'm there in < 6 hours with $800 in my pocket. That young couple got $1600 for having to spend ~ $200 on rentals and driving 6 hours. I'd do that for sure.

But, with that said, this guy boarded. And you don't let that happen to someone who boarded. This is not a police state. United caused the scene and blaming this guy is wrong. I wish my decision not to make these purchases had a bigger effect, but at least I know I won't feel like I'm supporting a thuggish airline.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 7:02 am
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Outside of Flyertalk nobody cares about the CoC. They just see a man who was no threat to anybody being dragged off the plane after being beaten bloody. The more United doubles down on the technicalities the worse they look.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 7:03 am
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Originally Posted by jwh212
"Record" or no record, the pilot can have you removed from any flight for basically any reason or no reason at all. It's his/her ship and they have the right to remove you. it happens hundreds of times per year.
Sure. Can and did. Doesn't mean there won't be other consequences for the airline though, regardless of the legality of its action.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 7:04 am
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Originally Posted by jwh212
Every bit of press I have seen states clearly that the air crew asked the man to deplane numerous times (as politely as they could, and offered him a $1000 voucher plus overnight hotel accommodation). He refused to obey this instruction, this is a violation of the law. At that point, the airport police were called in to physically remove the unruly passenger.

whether what they did was "nice" or if the police were rough with him, is not a legal matter as it pertains to CFR 121.580. he may have a case with the airport police roughing him up, and he may find some lawyer who will try to make a discrimination case based on his race against UA asking him to deplane, but it doesnt seem like that is substantiated anywhere yet.
But this is not a legal matter.

This is a PR and customer service matter, and UA has done pretty badly. The fact that they chose to muscle a paying pax out instead of offering slightly higher compensation shows the disdain UA has with their customers.

On the international front, this only goes to show how U.S. airlines completely disregard service as opposed to ME3 and Asian carriers.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 7:04 am
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Originally Posted by fly18725
Yes, not sitting where the airline tells you to is a safety issue.

If you bought a premium seat and someone poached it, you'd expect the airline to move them. If the other passenger wouldn't listen to the airline employee and refused to move, would you willingly take their seat in last row of coach, or would you expect the airline to find a way to get them off the plane?



If the FA can't seat ticketed passengers, including the deadheaded crew, they'd be indirectly involved.
I would expect the airline to try to convince the passenger to move but not to call the police! The original passenger's refusal to move can possibly be interpreted as theft (and so is different) but if it is not it is something the airline needs to pursue in the court of law for compensation and damages.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 7:06 am
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Originally Posted by simpletastes
But, of course, you could be denied your seat due to overbooking.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 7:06 am
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Originally Posted by ShutteLag
then why should they even have police officers who are paid almost $97,000 a year to patrol the airport?
The Chicago Dept. of Aviation Security already stated this was not SOP and officer's actions were not "condoned." Did that change?
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 7:06 am
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Using taxpayer money to protect corporate bottom lines at any and every expense of human live and dignity has been one of the hallmarks of fascism.

"human dignity is sacrosanct" should become an amendment to our constitution -- the need for this transcended the imagination of our Fathers because they took that as a Given. Episodes like this evidence that it must not be taken for granted.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 7:08 am
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Originally Posted by Terence.Hill
Using taxpayer money to protect corporate bottom lines at any and every expense of human live and dignity has been one of the hallmarks of fascism.

"human dignity is sacrosanct" should become an amendment to our constitution -- the need for this transcended the imagination of our Fathers because they took that as a Given. Episodes like this evidence that it must not be taken for granted.
+1 million

Soon Verizon will be sending cops to knock on your door for unpaid bills.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 7:08 am
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Originally Posted by SpinOn2
Straight from UA CoC

Check-In Time Limits - UA has the right to cancel reservations (whether or not confirmed), deny boarding and/or refuse the acceptance of checked baggage of any Passenger who fails to present himself/herself within the applicable check-in or loading gate time limits for Passengers and/or Baggage.

Key word right to, not requirement to.

I have over 300 thousand miles flown, and dealt with far more flights than you have in my life since I worked for an airline, and I have seen the increase in insane crazy public flyers over the last 3-4 years.

There are certainly crazy/rude/aggressive workers and aviation police out there, but there is no way it out does the amount of crazy out of their mind fliers out there.
Nobody is doubting crazy passengers--and like many here my mileages are higher than yours. But the question of the existence of crazy pax is not the issue in this case. None of the eyewitnesses being interviewed suggested any craziness on the part of this passenger until he was physically removed.

What I have seen in the last three or four hears is a marked increase in surliness and parental dictation from airline employees, particularly including United. It is not impossible that what you are seeing and what I am seeing are related.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 7:09 am
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Originally Posted by phltraveler
I think Oscar's letter was semi-justifying actions, but more about calming down employees that they weren't going to throw them under the bus on policy and that they still have the right to IDB pax, and that everyone followed procedures. On the PR front, United has to come up with new IDB/VDB guidelines to avoid these types of scenarios in the future, but if the agents followed policy then they're saying the flight crew/gate personnel followed established procedures, whether or not they're right or wrong.
Probably, as morale over there has been atrocious for some time, and this will not help.

Again, this episode is all the end result of the culture that Smisek encouraged and all his resulting 'innovations' IMHO.

Hopefully this will force the UA Board to finally force management changes based on market realities facing the company and not on grand jury investigations which really forced the last one.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 7:11 am
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Originally Posted by Global321
the Chicago police were NOT directly involved. Instead, it was "Chicago Aviation Security Officers". (They are not authorized to have guns
So, it was thugs in old blue jeans and tee shirts, not authorized to carry weapons, who beat up the doctor. That makes it a lot better, Oscar.
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