PQD requirements - are they too low for upper tier?
Oct 24, 2016, 11:21 am
#17
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 643
What's the point, if UA continues to give away top-tier status?
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...10-2016-a.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...10-2016-a.html
Oct 24, 2016, 12:31 pm
#18
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: DAY
Programs: UA 1K 1MM; Marriott LT Titanium; Amex MR; Chase UR; Hertz PC; Global Entry
Posts: 10,159
What's the point, if UA continues to give away top-tier status?
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...10-2016-a.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...10-2016-a.html
Oct 24, 2016, 12:53 pm
#19
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: CHS
Programs: UA GS, Bonvoy Amabassador, Hertz PC
Posts: 2,589
What's the point, if UA continues to give away top-tier status?
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...10-2016-a.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...10-2016-a.html
I came over from delta end of 2015 - completed my Platinum status match in 11 days, was offered 1K during the targeted rounds and have finished this year at 165K PQM and roughly 35K in spend.
I do not know how many were like me that got offered 1K, but to lump everyone who got the offer into the same bucket is pretty short sided.
Oct 24, 2016, 12:53 pm
#20
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 573
I think $12k is about right because it is attainable on 100% domestic flying. If it gets much higher people who should qualify would struggle if they only fly domestic.
As a point of reference my flying around the 48 states comes out to $209 PQD per (real) segment where as my TATL is above $600 PQD per segment. All flights either economy or P fares
As a point of reference my flying around the 48 states comes out to $209 PQD per (real) segment where as my TATL is above $600 PQD per segment. All flights either economy or P fares
Oct 24, 2016, 1:01 pm
#21
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: PHL, EWR
Programs: UA Gold; AA; Amtrak Select Plus;HH Diamond;Hyatt Disc;Hertz PC; Total Wine Grand Reserve!
Posts: 2,401
For those with addresses outside the US, or those who fly on expensive tickets paid by their employer, the higher thresholds wouldn't matter so much. But for those who fly primarily on their own dime, such an increase would be terrible.
My S.O. is a 1k with a foreign address. I have a US address and this year I'm gold, but will probably drop to silver next year even I fly almost as much as he does and spend more on tickets than he does. Really maddening!
My S.O. is a 1k with a foreign address. I have a US address and this year I'm gold, but will probably drop to silver next year even I fly almost as much as he does and spend more on tickets than he does. Really maddening!
Oct 24, 2016, 1:06 pm
#22
Moderator: United Airlines
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: SFO
Programs: UA Plat 1.995MM, Hyatt Discoverist, Marriott Plat/LT Gold, Hilton Silver, IHG Plat
Posts: 66,854
Basing such a conclusion on limited, unscientific, self selected sampling base is a bit risky.
Are you speaking of the $12K for 1Ks?? Would not most of those you speak of be in GS territory?
Yes there are the 20-25K folks well above the 1K $12K and below the GS levels -- is this a group larger enough to be there own elite level?
What would UA gain (remember the elite program is not for the elites, it is there because it benefits UA)?
Oct 24, 2016, 1:08 pm
#23
Join Date: May 2011
Programs: UA GS, UA 2MM, HH LT Diamond, Bonvoy Titanium
Posts: 1,803
I think $12k is about right because it is attainable on 100% domestic flying. If it gets much higher people who should qualify would struggle if they only fly domestic.
As a point of reference my flying around the 48 states comes out to $209 PQD per (real) segment where as my TATL is above $600 PQD per segment. All flights either economy or P fares
As a point of reference my flying around the 48 states comes out to $209 PQD per (real) segment where as my TATL is above $600 PQD per segment. All flights either economy or P fares
Oct 24, 2016, 1:15 pm
#24
Moderator: United Airlines
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: SFO
Programs: UA Plat 1.995MM, Hyatt Discoverist, Marriott Plat/LT Gold, Hilton Silver, IHG Plat
Posts: 66,854
People are thinking about what would benefit themselves. There is not the way UA will think about this -- and UA makes the rules.
Oct 24, 2016, 1:18 pm
#25
Join Date: May 2011
Programs: UA GS, UA 2MM, HH LT Diamond, Bonvoy Titanium
Posts: 1,803
Oct 24, 2016, 1:31 pm
#26
Join Date: May 2016
Location: LAX
Programs: UAL 1K MM, Marriott Ambassador
Posts: 438
I know what kind of reaction would it generate from majority of readers, but based on 'roll call' thread reports it seems that majority of upper tier flyers have no problem hitting double or more PQD requirements per year.
So questions is - should be 1K PQD requirement set to $25K?
So questions is - should be 1K PQD requirement set to $25K?
If I was traveling on own dime I am sure I would have a different opinion
Oct 24, 2016, 1:35 pm
#27
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Honolulu Harbor
Programs: UA 1K
Posts: 15,023
Exactly. Frequent flyers often have a hard time disassociating their wants from United's running a business. Frequent flyers want planes configured with enough empty seats to clear all CPUs and United would rather sell out front cabins with F fares. United will never be able to satisfy everyone in that middle ground.
Oct 24, 2016, 1:41 pm
#28
Join Date: Apr 2002
Programs: UAL MM, BA G
Posts: 1,757
The deal here was that if we were loyal to UA they would reward us.
So if I have to spend $15k or $25k, and I still have no CPUs and only 2 GPUs clear in a year, where is the incentive to spend?
Fortunately for me I am resident in two countries, so even though I am at 115,000 miles as of Oct. 1, I don't need to worry about the spend. If I did, this MM flyer would be flying anything but UA.
So if I have to spend $15k or $25k, and I still have no CPUs and only 2 GPUs clear in a year, where is the incentive to spend?
Fortunately for me I am resident in two countries, so even though I am at 115,000 miles as of Oct. 1, I don't need to worry about the spend. If I did, this MM flyer would be flying anything but UA.
Last edited by Derek; Oct 24, 2016 at 1:50 pm
Oct 24, 2016, 1:55 pm
#29
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Honolulu Harbor
Programs: UA 1K
Posts: 15,023
Someone with the same spend can have much greater success w/ CPUs and instruments and be happy. United can't please everyone. Seriously. The answer for each individual is to go where his/her flying habit works best in terms of network and FFP.
Oct 24, 2016, 2:45 pm
#30
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Telluride, CO
Posts: 180
Remember, Plat boards in Group 1, too. While I agree that $12k is too low a bar (DL Diamond is at $15k and 125K) I don't think culling the 1K field is the solution to a crowded G1 as much as kicking Platinum back to G2 and Silver out of G2 period.
Perhaps make a sweet heart ToD offer to those Plats (targeted) so if they really want into G1 and it dovetails well with UA's "rather sell the last minute open F capacity than CPU it" and the business they are trying to run.
Perhaps make a sweet heart ToD offer to those Plats (targeted) so if they really want into G1 and it dovetails well with UA's "rather sell the last minute open F capacity than CPU it" and the business they are trying to run.
I'm a domestic 1K, all economy fares and my numbers are closer to $25-30K PQD, 120K PQM and 120K PQS annually. I see $12K as being far too low a bar for the PQD. When boarding group one lines between DEN/IAH/ORD/SFO can be 40 people long, I think we have a problem with the system. JMHO
Last edited by bmustaf; Oct 24, 2016 at 2:57 pm