Sep 17, 2016, 6:19 pm
Last edit by: WineCountryUA
Booking on United.com (016 ticket)
Pro
-Category bonus with United Chase Credit cards (ie- the Explorer Card earns two miles per dollar spent on United.com but not on Lufthansa.com, for example)
- Deal directly with UA on UA schedule changes
- UA change rules are generally more generous
Con
- Many partner flights will be booked as UA codeshare and this can make some things more difficult or impossible -- such as *A upgrades, seat assignments, actual partner fare class is hidden, ..
- While not a major thing, in irrops, codeshares can be an extra issue for the agent
= Due to plating restrictions, partners may not allow UA access to the partners best fares
Partner site
Pro
- Native flight numbers (No codeshare issues)
- Deal directly with partner for partner schedule changes
- Access to partner's lowest fares
Unclear
- partner flights will earn PQPs based on miles and multiple and UA operated flights will earn PQPs in the fare method -- which may be hard to determine in advance
Not hard rule which is better but a good chance for higher cost tickets PQPs on 016 ticket are better, and also for lower cost fares, you need to run the numbers.
Does not matter
-PQP earning & UA Lifetime mileage earning is unaffected by booking method
- On UA operated flight your UA elite benefits fully apply and you can use PlusPoints or miles to upgrade
Pro
-Category bonus with United Chase Credit cards (ie- the Explorer Card earns two miles per dollar spent on United.com but not on Lufthansa.com, for example)
- Deal directly with UA on UA schedule changes
- UA change rules are generally more generous
Con
- Many partner flights will be booked as UA codeshare and this can make some things more difficult or impossible -- such as *A upgrades, seat assignments, actual partner fare class is hidden, ..
- While not a major thing, in irrops, codeshares can be an extra issue for the agent
= Due to plating restrictions, partners may not allow UA access to the partners best fares
Partner site
Pro
- Native flight numbers (No codeshare issues)
- Deal directly with partner for partner schedule changes
- Access to partner's lowest fares
Unclear
- partner flights will earn PQPs based on miles and multiple and UA operated flights will earn PQPs in the fare method -- which may be hard to determine in advance
Not hard rule which is better but a good chance for higher cost tickets PQPs on 016 ticket are better, and also for lower cost fares, you need to run the numbers.
Does not matter
-PQP earning & UA Lifetime mileage earning is unaffected by booking method
- On UA operated flight your UA elite benefits fully apply and you can use PlusPoints or miles to upgrade
Pro/Cons of booking flights on partner site vs united.com
Jan 2, 2015, 5:13 pm
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Pro/Cons of booking flights on partner site vs united.com
Hello -
I have this itinerary.
OSL-FRA-SFO-HNL
HNL-LAX-FRA-OSL
I can book this as UA as a 1K and earn 11 miles per dollar spent but business/first fare is very reasonable (base $3847 so around 42,317).
LH is booked in J to FRA and then A to SFO and A to HNL.
Return is A, A and J.
In this case, if I book LH 220 tickets, I don't think I'd earn PQD but please confirm I'd earn the following.
250% base miles for the A class segments / PQM 150% for all flights
175% base miles for the J class segments
Plus double the actual mileage as 1K
So in this case..
OSL-HNL via SFO / HNL-OSL via LAX 17,855 x 2.5 = 44,637 plus 17,855 1K bonus = 62,492 ticketing as 220 vs 42,317 ticketing as 016.
Am I confused or do I have this right?
Thanks.
I have this itinerary.
OSL-FRA-SFO-HNL
HNL-LAX-FRA-OSL
I can book this as UA as a 1K and earn 11 miles per dollar spent but business/first fare is very reasonable (base $3847 so around 42,317).
LH is booked in J to FRA and then A to SFO and A to HNL.
Return is A, A and J.
In this case, if I book LH 220 tickets, I don't think I'd earn PQD but please confirm I'd earn the following.
250% base miles for the A class segments / PQM 150% for all flights
175% base miles for the J class segments
Plus double the actual mileage as 1K
So in this case..
OSL-HNL via SFO / HNL-OSL via LAX 17,855 x 2.5 = 44,637 plus 17,855 1K bonus = 62,492 ticketing as 220 vs 42,317 ticketing as 016.
Am I confused or do I have this right?
Thanks.
Jan 2, 2015, 5:17 pm
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Date of travel is after March 1?
If so, you are correct about the calculation if booked on UA stock.
No one knows yet what the earnings will be if booked on LH stock.
Would you book into A class for the TATL's? That's GlobalFirst on United (and presumably F on LH). If truly an F fare for <4000, this should be posted in Premium Fare Deals.
If so, you are correct about the calculation if booked on UA stock.
No one knows yet what the earnings will be if booked on LH stock.
Would you book into A class for the TATL's? That's GlobalFirst on United (and presumably F on LH). If truly an F fare for <4000, this should be posted in Premium Fare Deals.
Jan 2, 2015, 5:24 pm
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Jan 2, 2015, 5:25 pm
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It is already on Premium Fare Deals.
HNL is just a bit above $4000 but the continental USA is below $4000.
It is for after March '15.
I thought the partner chart for for travel on the website under LH for travel after 11/21/14 was valid for post March '15. Is it not?
HNL is just a bit above $4000 but the continental USA is below $4000.
It is for after March '15.
I thought the partner chart for for travel on the website under LH for travel after 11/21/14 was valid for post March '15. Is it not?
Jan 2, 2015, 7:03 pm
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Eligible flights operated by a Star Alliance or MileagePlus partner airline and not ticketed by United will earn award miles based on a percentage of distance flown, the purchased fare class and Premier status where applicable. Later this year we will have more details about earning award miles on partner flights.
Earning Miles - FAQMost of us expect them to do something similar to what DL has done. Not realistic IMO to expect the loophole to remain open.
That's still an amazing fare. Did you get the 764 for SFO-HNL?
Jan 2, 2015, 8:32 pm
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Hasn't that statement about "further information" been on their for months.
Why wouldn't we assume that page detailing LH earning for flights after Nov 21, 2014 is valid for flights post March 1, 2015?
Would they allow tickets purchased today for travel after March 1, 2015 on LH 220 stock to earn with the current posted LH rates?
Why wouldn't we assume that page detailing LH earning for flights after Nov 21, 2014 is valid for flights post March 1, 2015?
Would they allow tickets purchased today for travel after March 1, 2015 on LH 220 stock to earn with the current posted LH rates?
Jan 2, 2015, 8:35 pm
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Jan 2, 2015, 8:50 pm
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Well...any advice?
I am having trouble getting the UA codeshare in A though I have the LH space on hold.
I would rather fly LH than true UA (where A is open) but don't want to lose a significant amount of redeemable miles or elite miles. I am willing to forgo the PQD in order to get the extra miles offered by the current LH scheme but I'm now hesitant to buy the ticket for fear that I could lose out on all fronts buying a 220 ticket.
I am having trouble getting the UA codeshare in A though I have the LH space on hold.
I would rather fly LH than true UA (where A is open) but don't want to lose a significant amount of redeemable miles or elite miles. I am willing to forgo the PQD in order to get the extra miles offered by the current LH scheme but I'm now hesitant to buy the ticket for fear that I could lose out on all fronts buying a 220 ticket.
Jan 2, 2015, 11:56 pm
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DL waited all the way to T-30 to announce partner earnings.
Note that DL gutted lower end of the chart, but left upper end fairly generous. Air France Mileage Accrual. If UA follows that, you will be fine on LH stock. Just hope they don't implement CM type-earnings (Paid J: 100% with no premier or fare class bonus).
Jan 3, 2015, 4:19 am
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Well...any advice?
I am having trouble getting the UA codeshare in A though I have the LH space on hold.
I would rather fly LH than true UA (where A is open) but don't want to lose a significant amount of redeemable miles or elite miles. I am willing to forgo the PQD in order to get the extra miles offered by the current LH scheme but I'm now hesitant to buy the ticket for fear that I could lose out on all fronts buying a 220 ticket.
I am having trouble getting the UA codeshare in A though I have the LH space on hold.
I would rather fly LH than true UA (where A is open) but don't want to lose a significant amount of redeemable miles or elite miles. I am willing to forgo the PQD in order to get the extra miles offered by the current LH scheme but I'm now hesitant to buy the ticket for fear that I could lose out on all fronts buying a 220 ticket.
Jan 3, 2015, 4:28 am
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I would be never pay close to 4K for a UA fare and this itinerary.
And if you can get LH A for a comparable price, I'd take that any day over speculative earnings in a mortally wounded phantom FFP.
And if you can get LH A for a comparable price, I'd take that any day over speculative earnings in a mortally wounded phantom FFP.
Jan 3, 2015, 7:17 am
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Hasn't that statement about "further information" been on their for months.
Why wouldn't we assume that page detailing LH earning for flights after Nov 21, 2014 is valid for flights post March 1, 2015?
Would they allow tickets purchased today for travel after March 1, 2015 on LH 220 stock to earn with the current posted LH rates?
Why wouldn't we assume that page detailing LH earning for flights after Nov 21, 2014 is valid for flights post March 1, 2015?
Would they allow tickets purchased today for travel after March 1, 2015 on LH 220 stock to earn with the current posted LH rates?
As for the OPs PQD question, you'd earn full PQD if purchased on UA stock, and PQD just for UA-operated segments if on LH stock.
Jan 7, 2015, 12:50 pm
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For the first time since PQD began, I have to fly on a 220 ticket due to schedules (LH metal outbound), but I return on UA metal. I was beginning to have a panic attack that 40% of the ticket wouldn’t count.
Obviously I have not paid attention.
I will now go panic about something else.
Last edited by SMFlagg; Jan 7, 2015 at 3:51 pm Reason: typo
Dec 7, 2015, 3:34 pm
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Can anybody help me with a related question?
I have a 220 etix issued by LH through expedia for a trip that includes 1 LH leg and 3 UA legs. I thought that since its a 220 etix United is supposed to credit miles to mileage plus acct according to PQMs x status (x2 for 1k). The itinerary popped up in the united.com reservation summary and the rewards count at the bottom of it is based off revenue. Can anybody tell me why?
I have a 220 etix issued by LH through expedia for a trip that includes 1 LH leg and 3 UA legs. I thought that since its a 220 etix United is supposed to credit miles to mileage plus acct according to PQMs x status (x2 for 1k). The itinerary popped up in the united.com reservation summary and the rewards count at the bottom of it is based off revenue. Can anybody tell me why?
Dec 7, 2015, 4:49 pm
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Can anybody help me with a related question?
I have a 220 etix issued by LH through expedia for a trip that includes 1 LH leg and 3 UA legs. I thought that since its a 220 etix United is supposed to credit miles to mileage plus acct according to PQMs x status (x2 for 1k). The itinerary popped up in the united.com reservation summary and the rewards count at the bottom of it is based off revenue. Can anybody tell me why?
I have a 220 etix issued by LH through expedia for a trip that includes 1 LH leg and 3 UA legs. I thought that since its a 220 etix United is supposed to credit miles to mileage plus acct according to PQMs x status (x2 for 1k). The itinerary popped up in the united.com reservation summary and the rewards count at the bottom of it is based off revenue. Can anybody tell me why?
Partner flights on UA ticket stock earn based on PQDs.
Partner flights on non-UA ticket stock earned per based mileage (and a multiple based on fare).