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ibmffx Oct 25, 2023 2:38 pm


Originally Posted by selo (Post 35693001)
NH 101 shows 20 empty and 1 blocked J seats (out of 48) on 11/11 if that is the date. I'd say there is a good chance for you. But I would upfare to A and end up with a premium economy seat in case the upgrade to business fails. Maybe I am too risk-averse.
I have an A fare on that date ex-TYO and the equipment changed from 787-9 with 48 J seats to 787-8 with 32 J seats; only 9 available and I am still waitlisted with my PlusPoints. Nervous time.

My date was 11/8 for IAD-HND with HND-SGN being on 11/9. Good new however I just got confirmation of my upgrade from IAD-HND. It was an instant upgrade when I submitted my request. I'm still waitlisted for HND-SGN. It is showing 15 available right now. Fingers crossed on that.

Good luck on your PlusPoints I hope you get as lucky as me.

selo Oct 25, 2023 3:02 pm

Congratulations on the IAD-HND upgrade! Expert Flyer shows 36 seats open on that flight. NH891 has 17 open and 1 blocked seat on 11/9, good luck, but looks good.

Xyzzy Oct 25, 2023 3:07 pm

Now is a good time to remind people that counting the number of available seats on a seatmap is N:eek:T a reliable way to find out how many seats an airline is still willing to sell. There are often passengers who have purchased tickets but who do not have seat assignments.

bmwe92fan Oct 25, 2023 5:10 pm

Quick question for the NH experts -- I'm looking at flying to TYO on November 1st from NYC -- does .bomb correctly show NH upgrade availability for the afternoon flight when you search for upgrade availability using PP -- or do you have to book first (in my case A class) - and then try? It is showing O9 but I class isn't even shown....

WineCountryUA Oct 25, 2023 5:59 pm


Originally Posted by bmwe92fan (Post 35694088)
Quick question for the NH experts -- I'm looking at flying to TYO on November 1st from NYC -- does .bomb correctly show NH upgrade availability for the afternoon flight when you search for upgrade availability using PP -- or do you have to book first (in my case A class) - and then try? It is showing O9 but I class isn't even shown....

No, PlusPoints search is looking for PZ. are you looking for 1st or business?
Isn't NH A discount F?


Originally Posted by wiki
You should be able to verify in advance whether the upgrade is going to clear based on NH inventory. I class is for Y->J upgrades and O class is for J->F. These are also the business and first 'saver' award buckets, and can be estimated by doing phantom bookings of award travel for the same flights. If saver awards are showing up the classes should be available.


bmwe92fan Oct 25, 2023 8:07 pm


Originally Posted by WineCountryUA (Post 35694183)
No, PlusPoints search is looking for PZ. are you looking for 1st or business?
Isn't NH A discount F?

As far as I can tell A class is PE on NH -- I was looking for upgrade space from PE - J on an NH flight -- but there is no "I" space shown on UA when looking at the flights -- only O space, thus the question since .bomb shows no upgrade space available using PP -- but I don't know how reliable .bomb is in this respect....

WineCountryUA Oct 25, 2023 8:20 pm


Originally Posted by bmwe92fan (Post 35694459)
As far as I can tell A class is PE on NH ...

If looking at NH fare class , G, E, N are PremEcon
Per UA, NH fare class are

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...9b44c7a27a.png
Expert Mode is not useable for seeing partner award space. As recommended in the thread's wiki, use the award search for the segment to determine award availability for partner.

If looking at a UA codeshare of NH operated flight, the UA fare class for Prem Econ will be O, A and R. And the award class will not show. You will not be able to use PlusPoints on a codeshare, it must be converted to a native NH flight number.

bmwe92fan Oct 25, 2023 8:42 pm


Originally Posted by WineCountryUA (Post 35694488)
If looking at NH fare class , G, E, N are PremEcon
Per UA, NH fare class are

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...9b44c7a27a.png
Expert Mode is not useable for seeing partner award space. As recommended in the thread's wiki, use the award search for the segment to determine award availability for partner.

If looking at a UA codeshare of NH operated flight, the UA fare class for Prem Econ will be O, A and R. And the award class will not show. You will not be able to use PlusPoints on a codeshare, it must be converted to a native NH flight number.

Thanks -- I understand that -- what I was asking is if .bomb is useful for showing upgrade availability on partners for PP (I'm guessing it's not lol) -- as you pointed out when I search on UA I get A class for PE available which is what I want to purchase -- but I am guessing from your post that the only way to see if there is upgrade space available is to buy the ticket, call UA to convert to native flights, and then see if it clears using the UA PP upgrade tool?

WineCountryUA Oct 25, 2023 8:48 pm


Originally Posted by bmwe92fan (Post 35694532)
Thanks -- I understand that -- what I was asking is if .bomb is useful for showing upgrade availability on partners for PP (I'm guessing it's not lol) ,,,

It does not, UA does not have direct access to that inventory data. NH does not make it available via GDS.


Originally Posted by bmwe92fan (Post 35694532)
-- as you pointed out when I search on UA I get A class for PE available which is what I want to purchase --

If A is PremEcon, you are looking at a UA codeshare.


Originally Posted by bmwe92fan (Post 35694532)
but I am guessing from your post that the only way to see if there is upgrade space available is to buy the ticket, call UA to convert to native flights, and then see if it clears using the UA PP upgrade tool?

No, an award search will tell you if I space exists

dcsnowwake Oct 25, 2023 8:56 pm

So guess P is still ineligible all this time for an upgrade?

bmwe92fan Oct 25, 2023 9:02 pm


Originally Posted by WineCountryUA (Post 35694538)
It does not, UA does not have direct access to that inventory data. NH does not make it available via GDS.

If A is PremEcon, you are looking at a UA codeshare.

No, an award search will tell you if I space exists

Thanks - did an award search -- nothing shows up for NH on November 1 - Given it's only 6 days away I guess I'm stuck on UA buying Y and upgrading.... Really wanted to fly back in "The Room" this trip for the same price and RDM....

WineCountryUA Oct 25, 2023 9:12 pm


Originally Posted by dcsnowwake (Post 35694551)
So guess P is still ineligible all this time for an upgrade?

On NH (and LH) P is not PlusPoint eligible. But Z has been reported eligible on NH despite not listed on UA.com.

cfischer Oct 27, 2023 5:56 am


Originally Posted by bmwe92fan (Post 35694564)
Thanks - did an award search -- nothing shows up for NH on November 1 - Given it's only 6 days away I guess I'm stuck on UA buying Y and upgrading.... Really wanted to fly back in "The Room" this trip for the same price and RDM....

NH clears very frequently. I wouldn't give up hope.

gtpdiddy Oct 28, 2023 10:57 pm

J->F NH109 on 11/3 and NH160 on 11/5 chances?
 
Hi. I’m 1K and didn’t know about PP upgrade on NH from UA1K and instead did *A upgrade from J-F on NH 109 on 11/3 and NH 160 on 11/5 after my flight was booked a month ago. Both are still waitlisted. Are my chances better with PP upgrade instead of *A? How many PP is needed from J to F? I have >300 points! I guess there’s no point to cancel my upg now from *A and switch to PP?

Thanks for your insight,
GT

cfischer Oct 29, 2023 1:04 pm


Originally Posted by gtpdiddy (Post 35702175)
Hi. I’m 1K and didn’t know about PP upgrade on NH from UA1K and instead did *A upgrade from J-F on NH 109 on 11/3 and NH 160 on 11/5 after my flight was booked a month ago. Both are still waitlisted. Are my chances better with PP upgrade instead of *A? How many PP is needed from J to F? I have >300 points! I guess there’s no point to cancel my upg now from *A and switch to PP?

Thanks for your insight,
GT

It is exactly 100% the same. Miles and +Ps make no difference. You can cancel the UG request and re-request it using +Ps. You'll get your miles back and you spend your +Ps. Your choice. NH109 is F0 so your chances are not looking so good; changing to NH159, however, should be near certain upgrade. NH160 11/5 looks pretty good with F6A6.

All partner UGs cost 40 +Ps per flight.


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