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Old Jan 3, 2016, 1:51 pm
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It has been reported that the compensation, via Electronic Travel Certificate, rules/schedule for passengers downgraded from F to Y are in SHARES system at: GG OVS DOWNGRADE

The agent could also search for "FRONT CBN OVERSALE"

1-1000 miles $200
1001-2000 miles $250
2001-3000 miles $500
3001-4000 miles $750 (was $1000)
4000-5000 miles $1000
5001+ miles $1,500

PLUS a refund of the miles/money/instrument used for upgrading, or if revenue, the fare difference between the fare paid and the lowest published fare available on the date of purchase.

The above applies only to the day of departure downgrades (due to overbooking of the cabin).
Downgrades due to advance schedule / aircraft changes and/or canceled flights (including the day of departure) are not eligible.

Downgraded passengers on award tickets must contact the MP service center.
"...Service center determines if a customer receives downgrade comp in addition to the ETC provided at the airport."

If I was CPUed and then degraded, am I eligible for GG OVS compensation?
Yes if the downgrade occurred on the day of departure.

With thanks to Billiken for the original post.

Related thread: First Class Oversold - How does United decide who stays and who goes

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Old Jun 26, 2022, 8:33 pm
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Originally Posted by Kacee
I wouldn't be writing about it if I had not experienced it:
Was this a cabin downgrade? the subject of this thread, have never heard of in-cabin crew doing that comp.

Individual onboard service failures should be handle by the crew.
Plane wide service comps are not handled by crew but they need to report the issue.

Where did the system breakdown?

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Old Jun 26, 2022, 9:28 pm
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I would hope all involuntary downgrades/seat shiftings are managed by the GA(s). OP has BPs for new and original seats showing GAs involvement. In best possible world, GA would (upon closing flight) immediately process compensation going by well-thought out (and consistent) policies and methods of calculation. Oh darn - this is UA
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Old Jun 27, 2022, 8:24 am
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Originally Posted by IAH-OIL-TRASH
I would hope all involuntary downgrades/seat shiftings are managed by the GA(s). OP has BPs for new and original seats showing GAs involvement. In best possible world, GA would (upon closing flight) immediately process compensation going by well-thought out (and consistent) policies and methods of calculation. Oh darn - this is UA
It's over 24hrs later and I've heard zer from UA about our downgrades. They did manage to post my flight as if I had been upgraded and they've not returned any PlusPoints. My wife's account shows it posted with no upgrade and no point deduction. That's very strange.
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Old Jun 27, 2022, 8:42 am
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Originally Posted by Xyzzy
It's over 24hrs later and I've heard zer from UA about our downgrades. They did manage to post my flight as if I had been upgraded and they've not returned any PlusPoints. My wife's account shows it posted with no upgrade and no point deduction. That's very strange.
From the way this was handled at the gate, I think it's a safe assumption you will have to reach out to UA for compensation. There are two separate paths, (1) EU261, and (2) UA downgrade comp.
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Old Jun 27, 2022, 11:22 am
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Originally Posted by Kacee
From the way this was handled at the gate, I think it's a safe assumption you will have to reach out to UA for compensation. There are two separate paths, (1) EU261, and (2) UA downgrade comp.
Indeed - and that's what I'm expecting -- despite the fact that we were told something completely different at the time. (What a shck).
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Old Jun 27, 2022, 12:29 pm
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Originally Posted by Xyzzy
It's over 24hrs later and I've heard zer from UA about our downgrades. They did manage to post my flight as if I had been upgraded and they've not returned any PlusPoints. My wife's account shows it posted with no upgrade and no point deduction. That's very strange.
I would hit them where the penalty gives you the best financial return - which might be the EU route.
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Old Jul 1, 2022, 6:34 pm
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A client was downgraded on UA106 IAD-MUC tonight from J to PP.

He showed up at the gate and it was claimed his seat was needed for crew rest since the crew rest area was "broken."

He has Plat status and was on a JN fare.

He resisted and gate agent told him that he had to take the downgrade or he was not flying. He had me on the phone and I told him to negotiate a $10,000 voucher for the trouble. UA agreed to $2,500, which has already been delivered. Still not worthwhile for him...money is not a problem.

He's also due the difference in miles, but sadly the difference between J and PP is usually only about 36K (122K v 158K) - I'll have to reach out to UA.

Not sure why he was chosen, but he had to be in Munich tomorrow morning he just gave in and accepted the downgrade.
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Old Jul 1, 2022, 8:10 pm
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Was his original seat assignment a likely rest spot? That's the lazy GA approach.
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Originally Posted by MatthewLAX
A client was downgraded on UA106 IAD-MUC tonight from J to PP.

He showed up at the gate and it was claimed his seat was needed for crew rest since the crew rest area was "broken."

He has Plat status and was on a JN fare.

He resisted and gate agent told him that he had to take the downgrade or he was not flying. He had me on the phone and I told him to negotiate a $10,000 voucher for the trouble. UA agreed to $2,500, which has already been delivered. Still not worthwhile for him...money is not a problem.

He's also due the difference in miles, but sadly the difference between J and PP is usually only about 36K (122K v 158K) - I'll have to reach out to UA.

Not sure why he was chosen, but he had to be in Munich tomorrow morning he just gave in and accepted the downgrade.
We weren't given an option when that happened and when I asked for comp then and there I was told that only the GA could handle it and that they'd email us. We've heard nothing (what I expected). Time t write in. BTW, the reasoning for our flight on June 26th was the same ... but it seems it was a different aircraft.
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Old Jul 2, 2022, 12:47 am
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Originally Posted by MatthewLAX
A client was downgraded on UA106 IAD-MUC tonight from J to PP.

He showed up at the gate and it was claimed his seat was needed for crew rest since the crew rest area was "broken."

He has Plat status and was on a JN fare.

He resisted and gate agent told him that he had to take the downgrade or he was not flying. He had me on the phone and I told him to negotiate a $10,000 voucher for the trouble. UA agreed to $2,500, which has already been delivered. Still not worthwhile for him...money is not a problem.

He's also due the difference in miles, but sadly the difference between J and PP is usually only about 36K (122K v 158K) - I'll have to reach out to UA.

Not sure why he was chosen, but he had to be in Munich tomorrow morning he just gave in and accepted the downgrade.
Did the client escalate to a red coat? In these situations I never deal directly with a gate agent, they did not follow policy by soliciting volunteers or downgrading an upgraded ticket or lower fare.

if you have a United account manager, I would get them involved.
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Old Jul 2, 2022, 12:52 am
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Originally Posted by bocastephen
Did the client escalate to a red coat? In these situations I never deal directly with a gate agent, they did not follow policy by soliciting volunteers or downgrading an upgraded ticket or lower fare.

if you have a United account manager, I would get them involved.
I thought the redcoats were replaced by yellow scarves and ties
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Old Jul 2, 2022, 6:31 am
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Originally Posted by MatthewLAX
A client was downgraded on UA106 IAD-MUC tonight from J to PP.

He showed up at the gate and it was claimed his seat was needed for crew rest since the crew rest area was "broken."

He has Plat status and was on a JN fare.

He resisted and gate agent told him that he had to take the downgrade or he was not flying. He had me on the phone and I told him to negotiate a $10,000 voucher for the trouble. UA agreed to $2,500, which has already been delivered. Still not worthwhile for him...money is not a problem.

He's also due the difference in miles, but sadly the difference between J and PP is usually only about 36K (122K v 158K) - I'll have to reach out to UA.

Not sure why he was chosen, but he had to be in Munich tomorrow morning he just gave in and accepted the downgrade.
Curious. According to flight status, went out with 45(+1block)/50. Seat map all occupied. Wonder what happened to those four seats.
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Old Jul 2, 2022, 6:47 am
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Originally Posted by MatthewLAX
Not sure why he was chosen, but he had to be in Munich tomorrow morning he just gave in and accepted the downgrade.
Perhaps because it was an award ticket and everyone else was on a paid ticket? I would push for a refund down to the 45k saver PP rate. $2.5k seem fair.
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Old Jul 2, 2022, 9:14 am
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Originally Posted by bocastephen
Did the client escalate to a red coat? In these situations I never deal directly with a gate agent, they did not follow policy by soliciting volunteers or downgrading an upgraded ticket or lower fare.

if you have a United account manager, I would get them involved.
I do intend to follow up with UA on this - it wasn't handled well, regardless of award ticket status.

Originally Posted by fumje
Curious. According to flight status, went out with 45(+1block)/50. Seat map all occupied. Wonder what happened to those four seats.
Apparently, those four seats were used for crew rest.

Originally Posted by cfischer
Perhaps because it was an award ticket and everyone else was on a paid ticket? I would push for a refund down to the 45k saver PP rate. $2.5k seem fair.
Could be, but status should still trump and I cannot imagine everyone else was 1K or GS.

I will push for a saver rate.
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Old Jul 2, 2022, 10:25 am
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"should" according to what?
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