Why no nonstops from IAD hub to South Florida (FLL/MIA)?
Jul 28, 2015, 2:14 pm
#61
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Amazingly enough, FLL is 100% mainline to EWR, IAH, DEN (seasonally), ORD, and SFO. I can't think of another station in which the entire operation is mainline, and we've got a club!
The downside is that CLE and IAD are gone.
However, there are more carriers than you can think of on South Florida to New York. It's a huge bloodbath, and way over-saturated.
-LPDAL
The downside is that CLE and IAD are gone.
However, there are more carriers than you can think of on South Florida to New York. It's a huge bloodbath, and way over-saturated.
-LPDAL
Jul 28, 2015, 2:44 pm
#63
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I guess UA would rather cover MIA from a distance through FLL than compete directly W/ AA? If FLL is all mainline as LPDAL noted then it is clearly working for them.
Jul 28, 2015, 2:48 pm
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The interesting thing was that when US was in *A, early every time I wanted to fly PVD-FLL/MIA, .bomb would kick out PVD-PHL-FLL/MIA, PVD-CLT-FLL/MIA and PVD-DCA-FLL/MIA over any UA option that was routed through EWR or IAD.
Jul 28, 2015, 3:02 pm
#65
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As for having a club, CO had plans to build one at TPA (remember, the club at FLL is a former CO lounge), the space can be seen here:
Last trip report of High School (27) United First Class to a Night in Portland, Maine
It's actually a pilot lounge now, I believe, SIDA required.
All pictures by me:
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For right now, it is all A319/20 and 737-7/8/9. During the fast season we'll get the PMCO 752s and 753s in, such as during Spring Break or the holiday season, etc.
-LPDAL
Jul 28, 2015, 6:26 pm
#67
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Just want to put things from a historical perspective:
When I first started flying UA back in 1991 and through out of the 90s, I was living in Miami. PMUA ran four daily flights between Miami and DC Metro.
There was the inherited Pan Am legacy route MIA-DCA-MIA.
MIA-IAD-MIA had three daily flights using a combination of 777/767/757 pending on seasonal adjustments. Of course, PMUA was the second largest operator at MIA at that time and used MIA as its Latin America hub.
Some of the old timers will remember the "best" United Red Carpet Club at the time was in MIA. It was the first Red Carpet Club to serve real food and self-poured open bar all day long.
Time as changed.......
When I first started flying UA back in 1991 and through out of the 90s, I was living in Miami. PMUA ran four daily flights between Miami and DC Metro.
There was the inherited Pan Am legacy route MIA-DCA-MIA.
MIA-IAD-MIA had three daily flights using a combination of 777/767/757 pending on seasonal adjustments. Of course, PMUA was the second largest operator at MIA at that time and used MIA as its Latin America hub.
Some of the old timers will remember the "best" United Red Carpet Club at the time was in MIA. It was the first Red Carpet Club to serve real food and self-poured open bar all day long.
Time as changed.......
Jul 28, 2015, 7:59 pm
#68
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Also, I thought we were all mainline until I came across a few E70 flights on the weekends to EWR and IAH. Not sure how often they operate but last Saturday when I was picking someone up at the airport I noticed 3 of the 5 frequencies to EWR that day were RJ. Thankfully it only seems to mostly be a Saturday thing (for now). Slightly OT, but we have a great group of mainline agents at TPA and hopefully our flight volume remains steady or increases to keep it that way...
Jul 28, 2015, 8:12 pm
#69
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Rarely does FLL see UA 757 anymore. They were quite common in 2013 from EWR. Flew on sUa variant in 4/13 with BOS crew on EWR to FLL. We had an A320 returning which came in from CLE
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Jul 29, 2015, 5:50 am
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Ironically, on my CMH trip, I didn't get a PMCO flat bed 752 on FLL-EWR, but I did get one on MCO-IAH--ended up flying FLL-MCO-IAH-CMH-EWR-FLL (340/752/170/400/320) :
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-LPDAL
Jul 29, 2015, 6:54 am
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Just want to put things from a historical perspective:
When I first started flying UA back in 1991 and through out of the 90s, I was living in Miami. PMUA ran four daily flights between Miami and DC Metro.
There was the inherited Pan Am legacy route MIA-DCA-MIA.
MIA-IAD-MIA had three daily flights using a combination of 777/767/757 pending on seasonal adjustments. Of course, PMUA was the second largest operator at MIA at that time and used MIA as its Latin America hub.
Some of the old timers will remember the "best" United Red Carpet Club at the time was in MIA. It was the first Red Carpet Club to serve real food and self-poured open bar all day long.
Time as changed.......
When I first started flying UA back in 1991 and through out of the 90s, I was living in Miami. PMUA ran four daily flights between Miami and DC Metro.
There was the inherited Pan Am legacy route MIA-DCA-MIA.
MIA-IAD-MIA had three daily flights using a combination of 777/767/757 pending on seasonal adjustments. Of course, PMUA was the second largest operator at MIA at that time and used MIA as its Latin America hub.
Some of the old timers will remember the "best" United Red Carpet Club at the time was in MIA. It was the first Red Carpet Club to serve real food and self-poured open bar all day long.
Time as changed.......
Jul 29, 2015, 7:55 am
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Oct 23, 2015, 3:35 am
#73
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As UA is routing some of it's Europe oriented TATL traffic from FLL/MIA-EWR-Europe, could UA steer that through IAD instead, while focusing more on O&D and domestic connections, and non overlapped markets, through EWR?
Last edited by rtalk25; Oct 23, 2015 at 1:58 pm
Oct 23, 2015, 5:58 pm
#74
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Living in both cities, I dispute the IAD even being in DC! BWI is closer to downtown DC. The dirty secret is unless somehow you are locked in the UAL mileage plus program nobody is going to spend $150 round trip on a cab, or an hour silver line and bus trip to IAD... Normal humans will just fly no stop from DCA. The flight is always about the same price as IAD plus or minus $20. My third house in TPA so I always price both options. Always spend the extra $20 and jut use DCA on AA. IAD really doesn't do outbound DC traffic. Its really a just a bad connection airport ala Cleveland, or Cincinnati. And likely will suffer same de hubbed fate. Every time I fly through I notice only 2 1/2 of the five departure boards have flights... there's your clue.
Oct 23, 2015, 6:00 pm
#75
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Vulcan, long time no talk. Hate to burst the bubble... but they are now flying crop dusters out of TPA, the e70 goes to EWR and IAH on some routes. UAL hates Florida as a market.