United loses passport, ruins a vacation
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How do you come to that conclusion???? One explanation - the passports were handed over in batch and the person didn't know he/she was missing one and was sure he handed them all over. UA lost it or passengers lost it. Without being there, there's no certainty. Losing a passport at a podium is pretty hard to do. I'd be reluctant to blame agent with such certainty.
So if the belt is behind the podiums then the agent somehow placed it on the bag/belt and it got taken away when they checked the first bag.
If it's one of those where the conveyer sits flush with the counter and you can place it on there and then it gets whisked away there is some possibility of blame that a family member could have set it on that type of belt.
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The passport was eventually found on the luggage belt somewhere in the bowels of MAN.
So if the belt is behind the podiums then the agent somehow placed it on the bag/belt and it got taken away when they checked the first bag.
If it's one of those where the conveyer sits flush with the counter and you can place it on there and then it gets whisked away there is some possibility of blame that a family member could have set it on that type of belt.
So if the belt is behind the podiums then the agent somehow placed it on the bag/belt and it got taken away when they checked the first bag.
If it's one of those where the conveyer sits flush with the counter and you can place it on there and then it gets whisked away there is some possibility of blame that a family member could have set it on that type of belt.
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Seems like it is an airport where the passenger places the bag on the belt and it's not all behind the podium.
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The article indicates the pp was found on a baggage carousel, which sounds like it was in a public area. So it may be possible for anyone, including a family member to drop it there after realizing the ruckus caused originally.
Not saying they did or UA is at fault, but there's quite a few variables here to allow for deviation from the original story.
Not saying they did or UA is at fault, but there's quite a few variables here to allow for deviation from the original story.
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First, I find that most of the time when people post about Occam's Razor, they are wrong.
Second, here is my guess about what happened (from the few facts here - I haven't read anything other than this thread). The family was in the process of handing a bunch of passports to the agent, at the same time that they were loading luggage on the scale. Someone (a family member OR the UA agent) dropped a passport on the luggage belt next to the check-in desk, or on the luggage itself, and when the first piece of luggage got "dispatched" so did the passport.
Second, here is my guess about what happened (from the few facts here - I haven't read anything other than this thread). The family was in the process of handing a bunch of passports to the agent, at the same time that they were loading luggage on the scale. Someone (a family member OR the UA agent) dropped a passport on the luggage belt next to the check-in desk, or on the luggage itself, and when the first piece of luggage got "dispatched" so did the passport.
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Also: "Except the passport was seen at the counter". Nowhere in the story does it say the passport was seen at the counter, if you care to read it again. A security guard saw the passport. The security guard checks passports BEFORE they get to the counter. So, the passengers had the passports BEFORE they got to the counter.
I'm not willing to state factually (unlike some who do without first-hand knowledge) who is at fault. Maybe it's the agent's fault, maybe a family member's. None of us can really say definitively who is at fault.
Off topic (mostly) - "Kettle" is a derogatory term for a less-travelled passenger based on the American cultural icons Ma and Pa Kettle. Is there a British equivalent?
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Seems like it is an airport where the passenger places the bag on the belt and it's not all behind the podium.
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And you were there and saw that? That is how you can state that as a fact? Amazing.
Also: "Except the passport was seen at the counter". Nowhere in the story does it say the passport was seen at the counter, if you care to read it again. A security guard saw the passport. The security guard checks passports BEFORE they get to the counter. So, the passengers had the passports BEFORE they got to the counter.
I'm not willing to state factually (unlike some who do without first-hand knowledge) who is at fault. Maybe it's the agent's fault, maybe a family member's. None of us can really say definitively who is at fault.
Also: "Except the passport was seen at the counter". Nowhere in the story does it say the passport was seen at the counter, if you care to read it again. A security guard saw the passport. The security guard checks passports BEFORE they get to the counter. So, the passengers had the passports BEFORE they got to the counter.
I'm not willing to state factually (unlike some who do without first-hand knowledge) who is at fault. Maybe it's the agent's fault, maybe a family member's. None of us can really say definitively who is at fault.
The security guard checks your passport and asks a lot of questions before you can even get up to the counter - and lately it is a lot more intense given the threat level in the UK - so to me it's likely the passport made it to the counter... That's where it gets less clear - at MAN the UA counters use a ramp system where the bag is pulled up net to the agent sitting behind the counter - a passenger could easily put their passport on the luggage and it get's pulled up and it drops - or the agent could have taken it and dropped it - who knows???
I'm willing to bet UA will do something to make it right...
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United losses a passport at the Manchester airport and causes a family to cancel their vacation. And more United friendlyspeak
http://www.flyertalk.com/story/unite...-vacation.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/story/unite...-vacation.html
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You would think in the case of a missing passport someone would be able to verify the person has a valid passport and as long as they have a ID to let them take the trip. I am sure people who are already on there trip have lost passports so in this case they are not allowed to fly home until they get a replacement. Things happen.
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This story is over a week old. The BBC article adds a few extra facts;
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tees-29762691
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tees-29762691