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#33
Join Date: May 2009
Location: San Diego
Programs: Star, Oneworld, Skymiles, SPG
Posts: 243
Just a couple of months ago arriving at IAH from SAN on a bright sunny day, the 739 landed with a hard jolt! The FA in his "welcome to Houston" announcement began with "Now after that great landing....", upon which a number of passengers laughed out loud or chuckeld!
#34
Join Date: Dec 2010
Programs: Whatever gets me there faster.
Posts: 746
Regionals get paid by the flight. If they don't operate, they don't get paid. They also have to operate within the guidelines of what they major has provided. So, if the major says, "You're going to take a 3 hour flow delay so that I can get my flight in on-time," then you do it. If a flight crew ultimately ends up timing out because of it, and those passengers get stranded, then unfortunately, the only one at fault is the major.
In relation to the main topic of MX, the mainline is aware that MX will and does happen, regardless of who operates the plane. The obligation is still on the mainline to get you from point A to B. Here in the U.S., there's several options to achieve this goal. I mean, you could be like that one UA flight in Europe a couple months ago that ended up being delayed on MX for a few days, with no recourse.
Last edited by DXjr; Jun 24, 2014 at 11:19 pm
#35


Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: WAS
Posts: 3,048
This is a two-way street. The regional has no obligation to wait if your mainline flight is delayed.
The mainline. You bought the ticket with them. They are the ones contractually obligated to get you to your destination.
Regionals get paid by the flight. If they don't operate, they don't get paid. They also have to operate within the guidelines of what they major has provided. So, if the major says, "You're going to take a 3 hour flow delay so that I can get my flight in on-time," then you do it. If a flight crew ultimately ends up timing out because of it, and those passengers get stranded, then unfortunately, the only one at fault is the major.
In relation to the main topic of MX, the mainline is aware that MX will and does happen, regardless of who operates the plane. The obligation is still on the mainline to get you from point A to B. Here in the U.S., there's several options to achieve this goal. I mean, you could be like that one UA flight in Europe a couple months ago that ended up being delayed on MX for a few days, with no recourse.
The mainline. You bought the ticket with them. They are the ones contractually obligated to get you to your destination.
Regionals get paid by the flight. If they don't operate, they don't get paid. They also have to operate within the guidelines of what they major has provided. So, if the major says, "You're going to take a 3 hour flow delay so that I can get my flight in on-time," then you do it. If a flight crew ultimately ends up timing out because of it, and those passengers get stranded, then unfortunately, the only one at fault is the major.
In relation to the main topic of MX, the mainline is aware that MX will and does happen, regardless of who operates the plane. The obligation is still on the mainline to get you from point A to B. Here in the U.S., there's several options to achieve this goal. I mean, you could be like that one UA flight in Europe a couple months ago that ended up being delayed on MX for a few days, with no recourse.
#36
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Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Bay Area, CA
Programs: UA Plat 2MM; AS MVP Gold 75K
Posts: 35,092
Yup, that's how DL rolls. Not sure how UA accounts for it behind the scenes, but I took a DL VDB the other day due to INOP seats on the RJ. Sure enough, that's faultable, and the DL mainline agent printed the hotel and food vouchers billable to Compass.
#37
Join Date: Dec 2010
Programs: Whatever gets me there faster.
Posts: 746
#38
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: LAS HNL
Programs: DL DM, 5.7 MM, UA 3.1 MM, MARRIOTT PLATINUM, AVIS FIRST, Amex Black Card
Posts: 4,480
As of February 2014, SkyWest employs 10,558 people throughout North America. The airline averages 1,714 departures a day, with 1,018 operating as United Express, 491 operating as Delta Connection, 89 operating as US Airways Express, 87 operating as American Eagle and 29 operating as Alaska Airlines. In total, SkyWest carried 27 million passengers in 2013.
The SkyWest United agreement ends on December 31, 2015. United has the option of extending the agreement for an additional five years. However, the agreement is subject to early termination if SkyWest or United fails to fulfill certain obligations agreed to under the code sharing agreement. The agreement will be terminated if SkyWest operations fall below certain performance levels for a period of three consecutive months. The agreement will also be cancelled if either airline files for bankruptcy or for reorganization. The agreement is also subject to early termination if SkyWest operates any aircraft that is supposed to be operated exclusively for United flights for any other purpose.
If these numbers meet UA's standards - those levels are set too low. Come on UA.
#39
Join Date: Dec 2010
Programs: Whatever gets me there faster.
Posts: 746
You'd have know what standards they are looking for, and why they are like that. With hubs like SFO and ORD, who constantly see delays, I see no reason why they wouldn't give some relief. That said, from the data I can see, though, It's pretty bad when DLC's worst performance average is still higher than UA mainline's best.
#40
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: 35,000 Ft above Earth
Programs: UA Prem Plat, CX MPC Silver, CI Dynasty Gold; HHonors Gold, Marriott Gold, SPG, IHG Ambassador
Posts: 684
I am looking at other airline options.
Last edited by jazzhou; Jun 25, 2014 at 2:23 am
#41


Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Chicago: ORD, MDW
Programs: United Million Mile Flyer, Hilton Silver, Marriott Gold, DL, AA WN
Posts: 518
I asked about which airline is responsible because last week I had 2 UX problems between SBN and ORD + return.
On a regular day UA has 5 round trips between SBN - ORD. The problem is that the flights are split between 2 different regionals (SkyWest & ??) and the ground/gate staff is contracted to a different airline (Envoy / AA - I think).
For the past two weeks the UX schedules at ORD & other hubs have been a mess (weather, crews timing out, rest, in the wrong city, etc.).
So from what I understand, when UX strands passengers at a hub or at the spoke airport - especially late at night, it is UA that pays and is responsible for re booking.
No wonder UA is losing money!
#42
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Join Date: Sep 2012
Programs: DL FO/KM, AA PLT
Posts: 2,593
When we were landing at IAH I noticed we were coming in way too fast. We all had an "oh, ...." moment when the plane slammed into the runway. Seriously the roughest landing I've had since a CO flight from Rome into EWR in the late 90s with heavy crosswinds. They didn't even tell us what happened, although when I was getting off one of the flight crew said to an FA "Sorry about that... we really hit the ground running..." No kidding. My spleen deserves an apology. 

A high cross-wind can result in a faster approach as well. The tail/rudder can only provide so much yaw-moment at the regular approach speed, so the way to make the tail/rudder more powerful to be able to counter-act the cross-wind is to fly faster.
A rough landing can be because of a wet runway. In a nutshell, you "slam" the aircraft into the runway to transfer the energy of the plane to the ground.
If the aircraft is coming in fast for one or some of the above reasons, it is likely going to be a rough-landing. A "greaser" would actually be worse in those situations.
Last edited by FlyDeltaJets87; Jun 25, 2014 at 6:01 am


