sinoflyer

I think I should amend my original statement to be "mainland-U.S. carriers," because I believe HA is actually doing pretty well with their HND service. The fact is, both AA and DL have also used delay tactics (i.e. temporary suspension for various reasons/excuses) at one time or another. In the most logical sense, HA should have been awarded the slot that UA now owns. However, the flip side of the argument says that HND-Hawaii traffic skews heavily Japanese, so that the American public doesn't really win by awarding the slot to HA. Whichever way, the HND slots, the way they are currently set up, favor Japanese carriers and put U.S. carriers at a disadvantage. Perhaps daytime slots will finally be made available for the U.S. My guess is that UA is holding out hope that they soon will be.

iker

The argument about whether Hawaiian should have been awarded the slots is immaterial. I actually side with DOT on its decision. What's not cool is doing something with those slots. The slots are a perishable commodity and if they do not intend to inaugurate service as required by the DOT, then they should be penalized.

JOSECONLSCREW28

SFO - HND begins October 26th with 3-cabin 777

875 SFO - HND 6:35p 10:05p+1
876 HND - SFO 12:05a 5:15p

These flights are using the former SEA - NRT - SEA FLT numbers.

iker

Thanks, Jose, for the update!

sinoflyer

Thanks, Jose. The return sked looks good, coming from TSA. I'm surprised about the choice of 772; I wonder what will be done with the 2x SFO-NRT, both of which are currently scheduled with the 744.

Kacee

Thanks for the update!

Those are actually pretty good times for a BKK connection - NH849 outbound, TG660 return - avoiding the very late BKK arrival and the very early BKK departure.

CALMSP

SFO-NRT is being moved to 1x daily service.

Will be interesting to see what can/will be done with the spare 744.

UA-NYC

As predicted...need to find the links, weren't there a couple folks who SWORE there was no way they'd cancel the 2nd SFO-NRT flight once HND started?

EDIT...just a few pages upthread

username

I guess each of us use FT for different purposes

With this schedule, which cities can have convenient connections on NH/UA? How about *A?

From USA: BKK? SIN?
To USA: a lot more such as GMP, TSA, SHA, SIN, BKK, HKG?

Kacee

Maybe another Europe route? FRA and LHR all seem to booking well.

They're really kind of stuck in between on SFO-NRT capacity. One 747's not quite enough for all the NRT connections, but two is arguably too much right now, let alone once HND comes on line.

5khours

Not a surprise. Why the DOT let's the carries get away with this is beyond me. They all promise to add capacity blah, blah, blah, and then they immediately renege on their promises.

username

In the world I see (which is not much), it semes it makes sense to:

- move the 747 to replace a 777 somewhere
- move the 777 to LAX-NRT - C seems to be full a lot, extra lift might help get more paid passengers, route some SFO passengers through LAX
- move the LAX-NRT 787 to something else - maybe LAX-HKG. With a 787, they might be able to make money and also get some new customers

I don't see the numbers and I know the length of the flights are not the same and there are probably fractional differences to be made up. So, it is not as straightforward as this...

5khours

SEA<>NRT???

CALMSP

I'd say LHR woudl be the only possibility given the timings. Although I suppose things could be worked out with FRA given that ORD is now in the mix for FRA 744's.

seacarl

Hope that doesn't jinx it :-)