Uax den-san!?!?
#16
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On the other hand, if you fly out of OAK and choose T1 security there are never more than three or four people in line. It's literally ten minutes from parking lot to gate.
#17
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I have a love/hate relationship with WN.
I hate accruing miles(points) towards a program that doesn't offer the possibility of aspirational international premium travel, the already stated lack of PreCheck, and the free for all for seats since I frequently get to the gate after A has already started boarding, meaning I get stuck with the B group and a middle seat despite holding a low number A BP. And the scarce extra legroom seats.
However, not having to worry about the turboprop and no F CRJs is nice. And the WN planes have much less MX delays than UA planes. The no change fees, esp now the legacies bumped it up to $200 makes it, is pretty enlightening too.
WN used to be consistently cheaper 5+ years ago but now for peak travel times, WN pricing is on par with everyone else. Meh... long story short, tough decision to fly UAX on a CRJ200 vs WN mainline flight on the same schedule.
I hate accruing miles(points) towards a program that doesn't offer the possibility of aspirational international premium travel, the already stated lack of PreCheck, and the free for all for seats since I frequently get to the gate after A has already started boarding, meaning I get stuck with the B group and a middle seat despite holding a low number A BP. And the scarce extra legroom seats.
However, not having to worry about the turboprop and no F CRJs is nice. And the WN planes have much less MX delays than UA planes. The no change fees, esp now the legacies bumped it up to $200 makes it, is pretty enlightening too.
WN used to be consistently cheaper 5+ years ago but now for peak travel times, WN pricing is on par with everyone else. Meh... long story short, tough decision to fly UAX on a CRJ200 vs WN mainline flight on the same schedule.
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#19
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I have a love/hate relationship with WN.
I hate accruing miles(points) towards a program that doesn't offer the possibility of aspirational international premium travel, the already stated lack of PreCheck, and the free for all for seats since I frequently get to the gate after A has already started boarding, meaning I get stuck with the B group and a middle seat despite holding a low number A BP. And the scarce extra legroom seats.
However, not having to worry about the turboprop and no F CRJs is nice. And the WN planes have much less MX delays than UA planes. The no change fees, esp now the legacies bumped it up to $200 makes it, is pretty enlightening too.
WN used to be consistently cheaper 5+ years ago but now for peak travel times, WN pricing is on par with everyone else. Meh... long story short, tough decision to fly UAX on a CRJ200 vs WN mainline flight on the same schedule.
I hate accruing miles(points) towards a program that doesn't offer the possibility of aspirational international premium travel, the already stated lack of PreCheck, and the free for all for seats since I frequently get to the gate after A has already started boarding, meaning I get stuck with the B group and a middle seat despite holding a low number A BP. And the scarce extra legroom seats.
However, not having to worry about the turboprop and no F CRJs is nice. And the WN planes have much less MX delays than UA planes. The no change fees, esp now the legacies bumped it up to $200 makes it, is pretty enlightening too.
WN used to be consistently cheaper 5+ years ago but now for peak travel times, WN pricing is on par with everyone else. Meh... long story short, tough decision to fly UAX on a CRJ200 vs WN mainline flight on the same schedule.
#20
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I think folks believe WN is cheaper, and they like not paying "again" for bags, even if UA was cheaper by $60 (cost to check two bags). It's irrational economics, but it is a model that people follow.
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Actually we should assume ppl are flying r/t and therefore UA would need to be $120 cheaper for 2 bags, $60 savings gets you 1 bag each way and $10 in your pocket.
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#24
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Regional jets for anything above 500miles and or very thin routes is a joke.
#25
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Of course, if you want to take an earlier flight same day on WN, you have to buy up to the most expensive fare. No standby without buying up.
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Per the DOT coupon data, passengers are paying a $40 round trip premium to fly UA mainline over Southwest and a $100 round trip premium to fly Skywest over Southwest.
#27
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I think your sampling is poor.
Per the DOT coupon data, passengers are paying a $40 round trip premium to fly UA mainline over Southwest and a $100 round trip premium to fly Skywest over Southwest.
Per the DOT coupon data, passengers are paying a $40 round trip premium to fly UA mainline over Southwest and a $100 round trip premium to fly Skywest over Southwest.
Proof is WN came in and swept another route away from UA. In a year the route will have 4 non stop Express flights, and you will tell people frequency is more important, when all honesty, UA has loss another route.
#28
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That's a good point. One good benefit is free SDC for elites. Though in this day of ever higher load factors, it seems the majority of my flights on both WN and UA are sold out, especially on the peak travel days.
#29
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The UX creep into formerly mainline UA routes out of SAN has been going on for at least a year. First it was to SFO (but scaled back since) and then DEN. I'm surprised they haven't tried to put one to IAH yet...
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I think you forget UA does sell some first class seats which makes the numbers off. People like me do pay a premium to not fly Express, especially a 200.
Proof is WN came in and swept another route away from UA. In a year the route will have 4 non stop Express flights, and you will tell people frequency is more important, when all honesty, UA has loss another route.
Proof is WN came in and swept another route away from UA. In a year the route will have 4 non stop Express flights, and you will tell people frequency is more important, when all honesty, UA has loss another route.