Halo117

I pose a question to the issue of a smaller F cabin. If UA and CO did not merge, what would pmUA have done with the 752's?

I assume we would be seeing the same decision being made with regards to a smaller F cabin as they replaced the 737's with the Airbus twins at 8F and 12F. the unfortunate problem was that the 757 has been out of production for over a decade and I highly doubt pmUA would have brought on an aircraft with 24F as its replacement.

REPUBLIC757

739s don't fly CA-Hawaii. It's the 738s with the useless DTV product while over water.

Once they start really phasing out the 757s and starting reconfigurations to "dark" A320s it's bye-bye for me and UA. You don't see Delta dumping 757s to fedex. UA is just anal about having a new fleet as it's COdbaUA.

CALMSP

so the old 757's that are not very airworthy in regards to reliability, burn fuel like crazy, have expensive costs to operate should be kept, simply to please you?

star_world

I don't follow your "logic" here. There's nothing "dark" about the proposed reconfiguration of the Airbus aircraft - they will have WiFi that works over-water and streaming audio / video content. Is that a step backwards from the looped US TV sitcoms on a tiny overhead LCD screen that exists today? If so, there really is no pleasing people.

739ERs most certainly do fly CA-Hawaii.

The 738s and 739s are also moving to the same satellite WiFi platform that works over water. DL aircraft have no Internet connectivity outside of the terrestrial GoGo coverage area. There's also onboard video content on the 737s that works just fine over water.

Plenty of options here - what exactly are you going to miss about the 752s? They are quickly going to become the "dark" aircraft in the UA fleet as the rest of the aircraft start getting fitted with WiFi - it will be interesting to see how quickly people start booking away from them.

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REPUBLIC757

Do they burn fuel like crazy? Or is that the CO "smoke and mirrors" PR machine talking?

3Cforme

Burn fuel like crazy? 757-200s are actually among the better narrow-bodies on a seat-mile basis. For routes that can regularly sustain yields with ~180 passengers, they're fine - comparable to A320s.

http://www.rita.dot.gov/bts/sites/ri.../table_06.html

star_world

They burn fuel like crazy. 739ERs are vastly more fuel efficient. A cursory Google search will show you the figures.

Forgot to post this link last time around That's exactly what they are doing.

http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=43&item=1428

REPUBLIC757

Did you read the chart? The 757s at UA were only slightly worse than the 737s at CO

I'm sorry, selling off the 757s is some BS. Funny how they are willing to dump the sUA 757 but would NEVER sell off the precious sCO 757 that divert to gander in the winter.

And that link doesn't say anything about retiring 757, just ordering 739. DL will be adding AVOD to the 5600 series (ex-NW) 757 and is holding off on the MAX.

star_world

Where to begin...

- The 739ER isn't on that list. So you won't find the comparison there

- What has dumping domestically-configured 752s, usually used on the most inefficient of routes (short hops) got to do with keeping internationally-configured 752s, operating routes that no other similarly-sized aircraft can fly, and earning correspondingly high international fares? Hint: nothing. They may as well be two completely different aircraft types given the economics. Would you have us believe that they're keeping international 752s because they used to be owned by Continental? It certainly sounds that way

- Did you read the DL link I posted? Here's a short quote:

Here are a few other links that describe the transaction more directly:

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...00-737-90.html ("Delta to order 100 737-900ER to replace 757 fleet")

http://blog.seattlepi.com/aerospace/...ng-737-900ers/

CALMSP

thats your rebuttal? this has nothing to do with a CO vs UA. And if you can understand news articles, you will note that the sub UA 757 fleet is not going away. Certain particular old ones that are needing babysitting with mainentance are the ones that are leaving.

ekwang

I don't fly nearly that much, but I keep my Gold. The day United copies Delta, I'm not sure what I'm going to do.

IflyfromABE

Delta just bought a whole bunch 15 year old MD-90s from some third world airline, I suspect that they would love to buy those 25 year old 752s from UA too...

star_world

Don't think China is a 3rd world country... and anyway, they bought the MD-90s mainly because of their fuel efficiency - on a par with, or better than the A320s.

channa

And when you factor that the UA planes had lower density than the CO ones, for all we know, the UA ones may have been more efficient than CO's.

boat9781

Indeed. Gotta hate those new E175s on order with 12F seats.