UA captain diverts flight, removes pax because of IFE complaints
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I wonder if the passenger attempted to push up the screen on their own (thus their determination that it "clearly could" be folded up independently). I think a passenger fiddling around with equipment on the aircraft is definitely grounds for a diversion especially if the capitan cannot see exactly what they are doing.
I wonder what kind of response/compensation they got from UA.
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I wonder whether it's the same pilot from this 2009 incident: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...july-13-a.html
(via http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...endant-329737/ ):
(via http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...endant-329737/ ):
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As others have said, be prepared to keep your kids occupied. We pack our son's backpack with enough stuff to keep him preoccupied as soon as those doors close. Complaining about the movie with others is a waste of time. Turn off the monitor and someone will complain to UA that the IFE wasn't working and will ask for compensation.
Question is whether a diversion was necessary. Assume UA management will look into this issue if crew did time out and the cost involved. Since we don't know full story, we are all speculating but by number of posts here, guess we all like to speculate
However, we all quickly blame the pilot/purser but there are plenty of jerks out there that we've seen on every flight/train/bus that we've been on.
Question is whether a diversion was necessary. Assume UA management will look into this issue if crew did time out and the cost involved. Since we don't know full story, we are all speculating but by number of posts here, guess we all like to speculate
However, we all quickly blame the pilot/purser but there are plenty of jerks out there that we've seen on every flight/train/bus that we've been on.
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I ask this as a legitimate question to those saying we didn't get the full story. I agree, but what possible story would be consistent with the facts as we know them, but also justify the captain's actions. I usually give the crew (and it could have been an FA who heavily influenced the Capt's decision, so I don't think he should automatically get the blame) the benefit of the doubt, but I am struggling to come up with reasonable scenarios here, even though my first instinct on reading the complaint was that the parents seem annoying and self-righteous (yeah, I'm sure extra "the carbon footprint" of the flight kept them up at night).
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If UA wanted to save money, they could just get rid of the video programming on the overhead screens and show the flight information instead. I'd actually prefer that; I can't think of a single time they have shown something I wanted to watch.
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I just spoke to my wife (former UA FA), they cannot lift one screen up only. I let her know the story, and she believes the Pilot was doing what he/she needed to do. She has seen it in the past, where the Flight Crew deals with it from a parent/passenger and they all wished for a diversion. We don't know the full story, but she was proud of the pilot for stepping up instead of the crew taking a beating from this passenger. Again, she doesn't know the entire story but has been in similar situations.
That said, the family should have sucked it up.
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I have to agree... it's too easy to bring a laptop or iGadget and watch whatever movie you want.
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At this point it's all speculation, but I agree with others here that there is almost certainly additional information that has not been provided.
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I have on a few occasions seen a movie in-flight which I enjoyed. In general, I bring my own entertainment, but there have been a handful of films I actually tuned into.
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Seems to me UA (pilot/purser/whoever) has confused a customer service issue with a security issue.
Newsflash...a complaining customer is not a security threat.
I admit that we are only hearing one side of this "story", but the truly sad part of all this: I don't doubt for an instant that (some) UA staff really use "security" as rationale for anything they don't want to deal with....
Newsflash...a complaining customer is not a security threat.
I admit that we are only hearing one side of this "story", but the truly sad part of all this: I don't doubt for an instant that (some) UA staff really use "security" as rationale for anything they don't want to deal with....
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I also miss the blocks of independent short films that PMUA sometimes showed, and high-brow cable shows like This American Life. Nothing wrong with pedestrian sitcoms either, as OP noted.
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UA captain diverts flight, removes pax because of IFE complaints
Someone wondered how big a jerk that passenger May have been? Let me ask you a ?
When is the last time you actually expected several rows of people to not watch a movie because you were too thoughtless to bring your own entertainment
I have flown with 3 kids many many times and never considered that my whim was enough to determine what others watched or did onboard
I have seen those types of folks and the sense of entitlement is astonishing
What if other passengers were too intimidated to speak up?
Clearly we need to hear other opinions but the parents can control their environment not everyone else's and they should have come prepared
When is the last time you actually expected several rows of people to not watch a movie because you were too thoughtless to bring your own entertainment
I have flown with 3 kids many many times and never considered that my whim was enough to determine what others watched or did onboard
I have seen those types of folks and the sense of entitlement is astonishing
What if other passengers were too intimidated to speak up?
Clearly we need to hear other opinions but the parents can control their environment not everyone else's and they should have come prepared
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PG-13 appropriateness can certainly vary widely. Take a look at Alex Cross's ratings in other countries v/s another PG-13 rated moved "Dumb and Dumber"... (From IMDB)
Alex Cross: Rated PG-13 for violence including disturbing images, sexual content, language, drug references, and nudity
Certification:
USA:PG-13 (certificate #47519) / Australia:M / Canada:14A (Ontario) / Netherlands:16 / Philippines:R-13 / Ireland:15A / UK:15 / Hong Kong:IIB / Singapore:NC-16 / Brazil:14 / Portugal:M/16 / Japan:G / South Korea:18 / Germany:16
Dumb & Dumber:Rated PG-13 for off-color humor
Certification:
Argentina:Atp / Australia:PG / Canada:14 (Nova Scotia) / Canada:G (Quebec) / Canada:PA (Manitoba) / Canada:PG (Ontario) / Finland:K-8 / Germany:12 / Netherlands:MG6 / Norway:11 / Portugal:M/12 / Singapore:PG / Spain:7 / Sweden:11 / UK:12 / USA:PG-13 (NO. 33160) / Ireland:15 / Iceland:L / USA:PG-13 / USA:Not Rated (unrated DVD version) / South Korea:12 / Canada:14A / New Zealand:PG / Italy:T
So just checking a few of these other countries ratings, it looks like children un 13 could not even be admitted to Alex Cross at all in the Philippines, no one under 16 in singapore. No one und 15 without an adult in Ireland.
Alex Cross: Rated PG-13 for violence including disturbing images, sexual content, language, drug references, and nudity
Certification:
USA:PG-13 (certificate #47519) / Australia:M / Canada:14A (Ontario) / Netherlands:16 / Philippines:R-13 / Ireland:15A / UK:15 / Hong Kong:IIB / Singapore:NC-16 / Brazil:14 / Portugal:M/16 / Japan:G / South Korea:18 / Germany:16
Dumb & Dumber:Rated PG-13 for off-color humor
Certification:
Argentina:Atp / Australia:PG / Canada:14 (Nova Scotia) / Canada:G (Quebec) / Canada:PA (Manitoba) / Canada:PG (Ontario) / Finland:K-8 / Germany:12 / Netherlands:MG6 / Norway:11 / Portugal:M/12 / Singapore:PG / Spain:7 / Sweden:11 / UK:12 / USA:PG-13 (NO. 33160) / Ireland:15 / Iceland:L / USA:PG-13 / USA:Not Rated (unrated DVD version) / South Korea:12 / Canada:14A / New Zealand:PG / Italy:T
So just checking a few of these other countries ratings, it looks like children un 13 could not even be admitted to Alex Cross at all in the Philippines, no one under 16 in singapore. No one und 15 without an adult in Ireland.
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I think if the parents didn't approve of the movie, they should've either checked out the entertainment listings prior to flight and planned iPads, or other modes of child entertainment.