picking sides in WAS (speculation)
#61
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Yes, it was a massive inter-agency cluster eff between the airport authority and the metro authority. Plus the federal government, the state government and the county governments PLUS the business interests in Tysons Corner and Reston.
What would have made sense would have been a direct light rail IAD-Union station ala Heathrow Express. What we got is an abomination that is costing like $330 million per mile.
What would have made sense would have been a direct light rail IAD-Union station ala Heathrow Express. What we got is an abomination that is costing like $330 million per mile.

#62



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I'm looking forward to redeeming 4500 BA Avios for some of US's DCA shorthauls -- almost as much as I'm looking forward to maybe getting bikeshare at DCA.
DOJ seems really keen on getting "new entrants" into DCA -- each proposal for slot divestiture over the years (UA+US+"DCAir" backed by AA, DL+US+B6, DL+US + B6+WS) has involved giving slots to new carriers rather than legacies. Now that everyone from WN to WS is there, though, I'm not sure whether that strategy will still work. DL sure seems to get a lot of throughput from its slots and might bid to get some back.
Well, and people from Tysons & Reston. Projected travel time to Tysons will be 22 minutes, Metro Center in 52 minutes -- so about comparable to ORD-Loop. Yes, the station will be 1000' further than the current 5A bus stop, but Metro won't get stuck in I-66 traffic and it will load much faster. (I've been stuck for 20 minutes waiting for scores of TATL pax, and the attendant hundreds of giant suitcases, to board the 5A.) Fares are unknown, but it won't be cheap.
The irony of the IAD station location decision is that IAD was built from the get-go for some kind of rail transit, but TPTB dilly-dallied for decades. At least it seems to be actually happening.
DCA's landside dining options are okay, but more importantly you spend much less time inside DCA than inside IAD.
The local FT happy hours stop by Arlington once in a while.
DOJ seems really keen on getting "new entrants" into DCA -- each proposal for slot divestiture over the years (UA+US+"DCAir" backed by AA, DL+US+B6, DL+US + B6+WS) has involved giving slots to new carriers rather than legacies. Now that everyone from WN to WS is there, though, I'm not sure whether that strategy will still work. DL sure seems to get a lot of throughput from its slots and might bid to get some back.
The irony of the IAD station location decision is that IAD was built from the get-go for some kind of rail transit, but TPTB dilly-dallied for decades. At least it seems to be actually happening.
The local FT happy hours stop by Arlington once in a while.
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#63




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I, too, will miss having US as an option for East Coast routes. But: Those don't yield much PQM either. When the airfare to BOS jumped on US before a trip I had planned last May, I didn't feel at all put out booking B6 instead. (Yes, they fly out of the crummy end of DCA, their onboard product is worlds better). US routes to Florida yield a little more mileage, but that's also a much less frequent destination for me.
Meanwhile, by far my most common business-travel destination is the Bay Area, and UA's DCA-SFO nonstop works really well for that. If only the return flight got back a little earlier; I've flown back to IAD a few times to be home in time for dinner and our kid's bedtime.
The NYT story I read said that the combined US/AA would have 60 percent of the slots at DCA, so if UA gets a few and makes creative use of them, this discussion would change course a bit.
Lastly: With phase one of the Silver Line opening (hopefully!) by the end of the year, the schlep to IAD should get a little easier even with having to transfer to a bus. You'll have a choice of two bus services at Wiehle Avenue--the Washington Flyer and a new, cheaper but slightly slower Fairfax Connector route--instead of having only the Flyer at West Falls Church. I don't know if the 5A will also stop there, but WMATA would be stupid not to arrange that.
Meanwhile, by far my most common business-travel destination is the Bay Area, and UA's DCA-SFO nonstop works really well for that. If only the return flight got back a little earlier; I've flown back to IAD a few times to be home in time for dinner and our kid's bedtime.
The NYT story I read said that the combined US/AA would have 60 percent of the slots at DCA, so if UA gets a few and makes creative use of them, this discussion would change course a bit.
Lastly: With phase one of the Silver Line opening (hopefully!) by the end of the year, the schlep to IAD should get a little easier even with having to transfer to a bus. You'll have a choice of two bus services at Wiehle Avenue--the Washington Flyer and a new, cheaper but slightly slower Fairfax Connector route--instead of having only the Flyer at West Falls Church. I don't know if the 5A will also stop there, but WMATA would be stupid not to arrange that.
#64


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For a domestic flights nothing beats the ability to leave <1 hour before departure and still have time to grab food and coffee at the gate. After the loss of 500 mile minimum on US and this, AS or AA may become my primary program (albeit, I fly only ~50 segments a year, mainly short-haul).
For international (revenue or award), IAD is still, and always will be my preferred option (unless multiple segments) as a $60 taxi is worth the savings in time and potentially avoiding misconnects.
For international (revenue or award), IAD is still, and always will be my preferred option (unless multiple segments) as a $60 taxi is worth the savings in time and potentially avoiding misconnects.
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#66

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Yep, I do HKG almost as often as I do NRT, and always through EWR. The first and last time I flew direct NRT-IAD (in November) I was stuck in a First Class straight out of the 80's, with entertainment on tape, the power outlets that require adaptor (which I threw away years ago), and a crew as old as the plane (although they were pretty nice). On a 8k ticket, thanks but no thanks.
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I live near Clarendon about 4 miles from DCA, and like it for all the usual reasons, but I'd rather arrive at IAD from an international trip and be "home" than face another connection after processing at JFK or ORD, or if OW, transferring at LHR. And for the West Coast, I take a lot of redeyes, and doubt AA+US(+AS) will offer more long-hauls QLA-WAS than the various UA combinations, unless I skipped the part of the press release announcing AA's new LAX-BWI nonstops.
#69



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1) It will be a while.
2) HKG (8153m) may be at the edge of range for a 787. PVG might be possible.
3) IAD-ICN was dropped a couple years ago, presumably for business reasons.
Not sure where else they'd fly (HND perhaps?)
2) HKG (8153m) may be at the edge of range for a 787. PVG might be possible.
3) IAD-ICN was dropped a couple years ago, presumably for business reasons.
Not sure where else they'd fly (HND perhaps?)
#70




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Wow lots of Arlington folks here. Pretty cool stuff! I live in Courthouse now and grew up in Montgomery County. A meetup happy hour is definitely in order. Nice to know there are other FTers in my neck of the woods!
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I'm guessing HKG will have to wait for the A350.
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HND slot times are a huge mess. Just look at the *success* that AA is getting on JFK-HND or DL was getting on DTW-HND and you can see why UA shouldn't touch that with a 10-ft winglet.
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Maybe they could even do IAH-HKG to capture some VFR traffic that goes IAH-HKG-SGN, but that's too much wet dreaming for me.
HKG-LAX 42.8 (NE) 7260 mi
HKG-IAD 10.0 (N) 8153 mi
HKG-IAH 29.4 (NE) 8346 mi

