Can't Trust United (regarding posted cause of flight delay)
#136
Join Date: Jun 2011
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Please re-read post. Nothing remotely is stated about wanting or referencing compensation. The thread is about wanting to provide another data point about inaccurate reporting and sharing such information with a community that one would reasonably expect to be receptive without gratuitous personal attacks. Perhaps this thread should be merged with the other thread that deals with inaccurate reporting as mentioned in another post.
MOD: Please move as appropriate
Maybe the better solution is to simply announce the delay and not try to categorize these things in 2-word codes for monitors and the like. The passenger doesn't have to fly the plane and it gets to the destination when it gets there.
Here, aircraft apparently arrived 51 mins. late. Much ado about less than nothing.
Here, aircraft apparently arrived 51 mins. late. Much ado about less than nothing.
#137
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The point is that whether the delay was 51 minutes or 3 hours, there was a delay. The underlying cause is irrelevant unless you are a mechanic trying to figure out whether a part needs to be replaced.
#138
Join Date: May 2001
Location: San Francisco/Bangkok
Programs: Alaska 75K United 1K
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Why does UA change delay reasons ?
Todays DEN NRT delayed due to bag loading
and flight status page said "delay due to aircraft preparation"
Once airplane departed
flight status page it was changed to "delay due to late arriving crew"
Partner on flight said door closed early and
captain said waiting for bags
What benefit is it for UA to change the delay when it not true?
and flight status page said "delay due to aircraft preparation"
Once airplane departed
flight status page it was changed to "delay due to late arriving crew"
Partner on flight said door closed early and
captain said waiting for bags
What benefit is it for UA to change the delay when it not true?
Last edited by boycruz; Feb 10, 2015 at 5:30 pm Reason: clarification
#139
Join Date: May 2005
Programs: Million Miler, 1K - Basically spend a lot of time on planes
Posts: 2,202
In most cases they are changing the delay reason to avoid liability. The usual scenario would be something like this.
1. You're on plane waiting to push. The Captain comes on to say that they have a few warning lights on and the mechanics have been called to check it out.
2. 45 min later, mechanics arrive, say they need a part, it will take 60 min to install, and you should be on the way just after that.
3. An hour comes and goes, eventually the captain says we are ready to go, but now there is a storm coming in, and they have to wait for flow reasons.
4. You eventually get to your destination 4hrs late, you've missed your connection and there are no other flights. You ask the agent for a hotel due to the fact that the cause of the problem was mechanical.
5. Agent says they delay was due to weather and therefore United is not liable.
You are SOL. While you can fight it for weeks, unless you have some insider access that can show they were lying, they'll give you nothing.
1. You're on plane waiting to push. The Captain comes on to say that they have a few warning lights on and the mechanics have been called to check it out.
2. 45 min later, mechanics arrive, say they need a part, it will take 60 min to install, and you should be on the way just after that.
3. An hour comes and goes, eventually the captain says we are ready to go, but now there is a storm coming in, and they have to wait for flow reasons.
4. You eventually get to your destination 4hrs late, you've missed your connection and there are no other flights. You ask the agent for a hotel due to the fact that the cause of the problem was mechanical.
5. Agent says they delay was due to weather and therefore United is not liable.
You are SOL. While you can fight it for weeks, unless you have some insider access that can show they were lying, they'll give you nothing.
#140
Join Date: Jul 2012
Programs: UA 1K / 1M, AA EXP
Posts: 113
Here is another example - 48 from EWR to BOM on 2/11 delayed 1:20. Reason on UA web site states "Delayed due to waiting for the arrival of a late inbound crew". The irony is that it shows the same flight "returned to gate" as well (which 99% of the time is MX related). What happened? Did they forget one of the crew and didn't realize that until the door closed / aircraft pulled away from the gate.