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gary_nj Apr 6, 2014 2:55 pm


Originally Posted by goalie (Post 22510243)
goalie-sis will be flying DCA/IAD-SFO-SIN with a 4-5 day stopover at SFO and I'm wondering if applying a GPU to her flights is the same as if she was traveling all on the same day and if the same applies that if she clears the domestic portion but not the international portion, does the GPU get refunded on the stopover scenario as it would if all on same day travel?

The answer to this question was that a single GPU could not cover the routing across a 4-day stopover. But what is the current rule for duration of a stop/connection that would require the use of a second instrument? I seem to remember (once upon a time) that any stop longer than 12 hours would trigger the need for a second instrument, but I can't find that documented anywhere on united.com.

Does anyone know how long I can stop on an itinerary while having a GPU continue across the stop? Thanks!

WineCountryUA Apr 6, 2014 3:01 pm


Originally Posted by gary_nj (Post 22659494)
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Does anyone know how long I can stop on an itinerary while having a GPU continue across the stop? Thanks!

it still seems to generally be max 12 hours but this thread has occasional reports of longer, at least once >24 hours. Why?, not understood.

Try (online first then phone) and see what happens.

gary_nj Apr 6, 2014 3:19 pm


Originally Posted by WineCountryUA (Post 22659534)
it still seems to generally be max 12 hours but this thread has occasional reports of longer, at least once >24 hours. Why?, not understood.

Try (online first then phone) and see what happens.

Thanks. The answer is about as I would expect these days. :p

steaminer Apr 13, 2014 3:41 pm

So I have a PS flight connecting to a TPAC leg and applied a GPU. The PS cleared but the TPAC is waitlisted now.

I know if the BF leg doesn't clear you get the GPU back - is PS considered BF for these purposes? The class it shows as upgraded to for the PS leg is "business" but I know there are also parts of United that appear to market it as BF.

Anyone have any experience with how it's treated for GPU purposes?

Thanks

SFflyer123 Apr 13, 2014 6:07 pm


Originally Posted by steaminer (Post 22698953)
So I have a PS flight connecting to a TPAC leg and applied a GPU. The PS cleared but the TPAC is waitlisted now.

I know if the BF leg doesn't clear you get the GPU back - is PS considered BF for these purposes? The class it shows as upgraded to for the PS leg is "business" but I know there are also parts of United that appear to market it as BF.

Anyone have any experience with how it's treated for GPU purposes?

Thanks

Good luck to you with your GPU on your TPAC fight. I think you shoudl be okay. If you fly to Europe, like I do, you have a much lower chance of upgrades. Last year, I had threw 4 GPUs in the garbage. This year, I have 6, and I'll probaby throw them all away also. Just horrible.

steaminer Apr 13, 2014 6:19 pm


Originally Posted by SFflyer123 (Post 22699434)
Good luck to you with your GPU on your TPAC fight. I think you shoudl be okay. If you fly to Europe, like I do, you have a much lower chance of upgrades. Last year, I had threw 4 GPUs in the garbage. This year, I have 6, and I'll probaby throw them all away also. Just horrible.

Thanks!

I actually managed to burn 2 of my GPUs on Europe flights already, but I'm flying from the east coast and had to be a little flexible with scheduling to find flights with R space open already...I'm actually to the point where I'm going to run out of GPUs :eek:

My TPAC flights were more rigid so unfortunately have to waitlist; looks like they will probably clear, but don't want to waste a GPU if they count the PS as "BusinessFirst" for GPU purposes...

PaulInTheSky Apr 16, 2014 8:26 am

NYC-HKG. Which one would you choose?
 
I am pondering these two routes for late May of travel:

JFK-SFO-HKG

I could clear the first morning PS flight, but not the TPAC. I have a voucher that I could use if all the metals are on UA. Three hours earlier to touch down at HKG. Mobile app doesn't show how many were sold, but I counted 34 unselected seats on the seat map. 30% full in E+, with most of the best E+ seats taken. This route usually has United WiFi.

JFK-SFO-NRT-HKG

SFO-NRT has R space, but I could not use the voucher. Also, I will have to be three hours later heading back to HKG, with the last leg in NH definitely not being able to get cleared to Z, and Y seats are non-reclining.

Which one would you choose? I haven't gambled on SFO-HKG BF routes before, so I am not sure if I should do that this time. I travel NH quite often when I could get the GPU up to NRT before.

bmwe92fan Apr 16, 2014 9:12 am


Originally Posted by Paulakers2010 (Post 22713264)
I am pondering these two routes for late May of travel:

JFK-SFO-HKG

I could clear the first morning PS flight, but not the TPAC. I have a voucher that I could use if all the metals are on UA. Three hours earlier to touch down at HKG. Mobile app doesn't show how many were sold, but I counted 34 unselected seats on the seat map. 30% full in E+, with most of the best E+ seats taken. This route usually has United WiFi.

JFK-SFO-NRT-HKG

SFO-NRT has R space, but I could not use the voucher. Also, I will have to be three hours later heading back to HKG, with the last leg in NH definitely not being able to get cleared to Z, and Y seats are non-reclining.

Which one would you choose? I haven't gambled on SFO-HKG BF routes before, so I am not sure if I should do that this time. I travel NH quite often when I could get the GPU up to NRT before.

Did you check EWR-HKG? Would not recommend the extra segment with NRT - you get in so late and add the chance of misconnect... Also, I think SFO-HKG is a pretty competitive route - even with so many seats still open on the seatmap (which isn't a great indicator of true load).

Kacee Apr 16, 2014 9:25 am


Originally Posted by Paulakers2010 (Post 22713264)
I am pondering these two routes for late May of travel:

JFK-SFO-HKG

I could clear the first morning PS flight, but not the TPAC. I have a voucher that I could use if all the metals are on UA. Three hours earlier to touch down at HKG. Mobile app doesn't show how many were sold, but I counted 34 unselected seats on the seat map. 30% full in E+, with most of the best E+ seats taken. This route usually has United WiFi.

JFK-SFO-NRT-HKG

SFO-NRT has R space, but I could not use the voucher. Also, I will have to be three hours later heading back to HKG, with the last leg in NH definitely not being able to get cleared to Z, and Y seats are non-reclining.

You don't say which day of the week for SFO-HKG, which is critical. Friday, Saturday, and Sunday are virtually impossible. Monday through Thursday are possible, though often difficult.

In the abstract, EWR-HKG is slightly easier than SFO. It's also a more tolerable ride in Y.

PaulInTheSky Apr 16, 2014 9:25 am


Originally Posted by bmwe92fan (Post 22713508)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulakers2010


I am pondering these two routes for late May of travel:

JFK-SFO-HKG

I could clear the first morning PS flight, but not the TPAC. I have a voucher that I could use if all the metals are on UA. Three hours earlier to touch down at HKG. Mobile app doesn't show how many were sold, but I counted 34 unselected seats on the seat map. 30% full in E+, with most of the best E+ seats taken. This route usually has United WiFi.

JFK-SFO-NRT-HKG

SFO-NRT has R space, but I could not use the voucher. Also, I will have to be three hours later heading back to HKG, with the last leg in NH definitely not being able to get cleared to Z, and Y seats are non-reclining.

Which one would you choose? I haven't gambled on SFO-HKG BF routes before, so I am not sure if I should do that this time. I travel NH quite often when I could get the GPU up to NRT before.




Did you check EWR-HKG? Would not recommend the extra segment with NRT - you get in so late and add the chance of misconnect... Also, I think SFO-HKG is a pretty competitive route - even with so many seats still open on the seatmap (which isn't a great indicator of true load).

Fortunately, the SFO-NRT with R space is the late morning flight instead of early afternoon one, so I could have four hours to kill in NRT. EWR/ORD-HKG, all nada, Roughly 30-40% BF and E+ filled and will need to be wait listed. I will in fact have to be in HKG next day morning.

Any suggestion of a tiebreaker?

Edit: NYC-IAH-NRT-HKG with IAH-NRT R space open. Similar to early SFO-NRT flight, there are roughly 3.5 hours for the connection.

I would really kick myself if I miss the GPU in SFO-HKG when I could clear the SFO/IAH-NRT in advance.

PaulInTheSky Apr 16, 2014 10:46 am


Originally Posted by Kacee (Post 22713582)
You don't say which day of the week for SFO-HKG, which is critical. Friday, Saturday, and Sunday are virtually impossible. Monday through Thursday are possible, though often difficult.

In the abstract, EWR-HKG is slightly easier than SFO. It's also a more tolerable ride in Y.

Thursday. Well, I still have a couple of GPUs to use, so it will be real bummer if I couldn't use them all in TATL or TPACs.

Btw, let's say if you have a chance to get GPU all the way to NRT, would you go for the all flat-bed treatment JFK-SFO PS and SFO-NRT or the short domestic F stop with longer BF TPAC?

Edit: Just checked DEN/IAD/LAX-NRT. No go.

Kacee Apr 16, 2014 11:45 am


Originally Posted by Paulakers2010 (Post 22714086)
Thursday. Well, I still have a couple of GPUs to use, so it will be real bummer if I couldn't use them all in TATL or TPACs.

Btw, let's say if you have a chance to get GPU all the way to NRT, would you go for the all flat-bed treatment JFK-SFO PS and SFO-NRT or the short domestic F stop with longer BF TPAC?

Edit: Just checked DEN/IAD/LAX-NRT. No go.

I wouldn't book SFO-HKG unless I had a high confidence level the upgrade would clear. I would probably watch the flights for a week or two before making that call.

I would also look at other options, such as a CX connection from NRT using Avios. I really like flying CX in/out of HKG due to the lounges and overall outstanding service.

PaulInTheSky Apr 16, 2014 12:31 pm


Originally Posted by Kacee (Post 22714453)
I wouldn't book SFO-HKG unless I had a high confidence level the upgrade would clear. I would probably watch the flights for a week or two before making that call.

I would also look at other options, such as a CX connection from NRT using Avios. I really like flying CX in/out of HKG due to the lounges and overall outstanding service.

Actually, without the final NH leg, the cost is almost a double than the one to HKG, not to mention the fact that it takes 10k Avios + over $100 of the fuel surcharges to just book the NRT-HKG CX/JL ticket in Y. I have also looked at SFO-ICN/TPE...Not much going on yet.

Kacee Apr 16, 2014 1:03 pm


Originally Posted by Paulakers2010 (Post 22714753)
Actually, without the final NH leg, the cost is almost a double than the one to HKG, not to mention the fact that it takes 10k Avios + over $100 of the fuel surcharges to just book the NRT-HKG CX/JL ticket in Y. I have also looked at SFO-ICN/TPE...Not much going on yet.

Crazy pricing on EWR-NRT vs. EWR-HKG.

I've booked that CX award in J several times and IMO it is well worth the Avios and taxes (no fuel surcharge on CX, but perhaps on JL), as that's a $1000+ ticket. It really depends how much it's worth it to you not to sit in Y.

PaulInTheSky Apr 17, 2014 6:00 pm

UA804 SIN-NRT ---- July 6 2014. What's the deal?
 
I would like to understand what actually happened to UA804 on July 6, 2014. Booked this flight all the way back to EWR that day.

If I just searched SIN-NRT by itself, it came up with the following:

Available Cabins: F6 FN6 A5 ON1 O0 J0 JN0 C0 D0 Z0 ZN0 P0 PN0 R0 RN0 IN0 I0 Y9 YN9 B9 M9 E9 U9 H9 HN9 Q9 V9 W0 S0 T0 L0 K0 G0 N0 XN0 X0

Seats almost completely blocked out.

However, SIN-EWR came up with this:

SIN-NRT:

F6 FN6 A5 ON1 O0 J9 JN9 C9 D9 Z9 ZN9 P9 PN0 R0 RN0 IN0 I0 Y9 YN9 B9 M9 E9 U9 H9 HN9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 T9 L5 K0 G0 N0 XN0 X0

Most seats were available to select.

NRT-EWR:

J9 JN9 C9 D9 Z9 ZN9 P9 PN0 R0 RN0 IN0 I0 Y9 YN9 B9 M9 E9 U9 H9 HN9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 T9 L5 K0 G0 N0 XN0 X0

Did any sort of agency buy out the entire BF cabin on UA804 in unrestricted C/D/J fare? That would be the only thing that I could imagine. However, it still shows restricted Z.


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