Involuntary Offload
Mar 22, 2012, 10:05 am
#31
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It happened to me. I was upgraded to first at the last minute on a full flight. They gave my seat to a standby. Then just before the door closed, they asked me to get off because the person whose seat I was in showed up. I told them I'd only get off if the seat was a purchased first class seat and not some filthy Plat who was just changing flights and had a higher status than me. I'll never know if they lied to me, but I deplaned and only got a $200 voucher and a lunch voucher.
Mar 22, 2012, 10:06 am
#32
Join Date: May 2006
Location: PHL/EWR
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We get it. All the problems are because of sUA co-workers are too stupid to learn shares and mergers are hard. Never mind all the apps being rushed out for those "non existent" shares issues. Smisek and his sCO crew have bungled this merger. MP devaluation, lack of training @ sUA, "stone age" shares, etc., etc. The sCO fail list goes on and on.
Yet nothing is going change the minds of those cheering for the sCO home team. Unbelievable.
Yet nothing is going change the minds of those cheering for the sCO home team. Unbelievable.
Last edited by PSU Mudder; Mar 22, 2012 at 10:12 am
Mar 22, 2012, 10:19 am
#34
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: SF Bay Area
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It happened to me. I was upgraded to first at the last minute on a full flight. They gave my seat to a standby. Then just before the door closed, they asked me to get off because the person whose seat I was in showed up. I told them I'd only get off if the seat was a purchased first class seat and not some filthy Plat who was just changing flights and had a higher status than me. I'll never know if they lied to me, but I deplaned and only got a $200 voucher and a lunch voucher.
Mar 22, 2012, 10:28 am
#35
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lol. So true.
IDBs not available for weight balance/issues.
Mar 22, 2012, 10:30 am
#36
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: SFO
Posts: 211
Is this policy? And when will we get a truthful answer?
Mar 22, 2012, 10:31 am
#37
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Mar 22, 2012, 10:47 am
#38
Join Date: Feb 2012
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"THIS IS YOUR CAPTAIN SPEAKING"!
"WEEEEEEEEEEELL FOLKS"!
"We have a problem with our weight and we cannot take off until we determine who is the filthiest Platinum on this plane"!
"Everyone please turn on you computers and the flight attendants will be passing through the cabin, checking your bookmarks"!
Mar 22, 2012, 10:51 am
#39
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: SFO
Posts: 211
"THIS IS YOUR CAPTAIN SPEAKING"!
"WEEEEEEEEEEELL FOLKS"!
"We have a problem with our weight and we cannot take off until we determine who is the filthiest Platinum on this plane"!
"Everyone please turn on you computers and the flight attendants will be passing through the cabin, checking your bookmarks"!
"WEEEEEEEEEEELL FOLKS"!
"We have a problem with our weight and we cannot take off until we determine who is the filthiest Platinum on this plane"!
"Everyone please turn on you computers and the flight attendants will be passing through the cabin, checking your bookmarks"!
:-:
Mar 22, 2012, 10:58 am
#40
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 2,933
Well evidently we have someone that doesn't listen to the pre-safety announcement by SMI/J on every flight! Something about how he wishes he could personally meet each and every one of you, and being honest and straightforward is the top goal ........... blah,blah, blah!
Mar 23, 2012, 6:08 am
#41
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Well, that didn't happen.
I don't know what they did, but I didn't see any more fuss about it during boarding.
Mar 23, 2012, 6:21 am
#42
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Lots of mixing & mingling of advice here. The issue in this thread has to do with the unfortunate realities of weight & balance. Put simply, when the physics of the aircraft (lift & velocity) don't work, the aircraft goes down, not up. That's a bad thing. W&B issues affect smaller aircraft because small changes in weight and conditions such as temperature, affect the aircraft as a % of its total more.
Whether or not GA's are being institutionalized as the result of SHARES, all of the idle gossip has nothing to do with these simple calculations which have nothing to do with SHARES (other than I suppose depending on SHARES to produce a pax count which is verified in any event by a headcount.)
While it's unpleasant to have a scheduled flight and have things go wrong which are beyond one's control, until somebody figures out how to override the laws of physics, there will be occasions when aircraft are weight-restricted.
If indeed the people who say they are "elite" are "elite," they know this and don't rant about it. Those who don't fly often and get caught in one of these situations, are certainly due an explanation and, it would be smart for carriers which operate smaller aircraft to have a printed explanation when these situations occur rather than dissatisfied employees taking out their labor grievances on pax.
The best advice when this happens is to accept it and move on.
Whether or not GA's are being institutionalized as the result of SHARES, all of the idle gossip has nothing to do with these simple calculations which have nothing to do with SHARES (other than I suppose depending on SHARES to produce a pax count which is verified in any event by a headcount.)
While it's unpleasant to have a scheduled flight and have things go wrong which are beyond one's control, until somebody figures out how to override the laws of physics, there will be occasions when aircraft are weight-restricted.
If indeed the people who say they are "elite" are "elite," they know this and don't rant about it. Those who don't fly often and get caught in one of these situations, are certainly due an explanation and, it would be smart for carriers which operate smaller aircraft to have a printed explanation when these situations occur rather than dissatisfied employees taking out their labor grievances on pax.
The best advice when this happens is to accept it and move on.
Mar 23, 2012, 6:28 am
#43
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It happened to me. I was upgraded to first at the last minute on a full flight. They gave my seat to a standby. Then just before the door closed, they asked me to get off because the person whose seat I was in showed up. I told them I'd only get off if the seat was a purchased first class seat and not some filthy Plat who was just changing flights and had a higher status than me. I'll never know if they lied to me, but I deplaned and only got a $200 voucher and a lunch voucher.
Mar 23, 2012, 9:34 am
#44
Join Date: Feb 2010
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How does freight figure into all this? If there's a W&B issue, and the plane is carrying commecial freight, is there a procedure that would remove enough freight to fix the W&B issue and put that freight on another flight? Or does it take precedence over passengers?
Mar 23, 2012, 1:06 pm
#45
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I have seen them pull the relatively small amounts of freight which these aircraft carry, leaving only checked luggage. Some of the freight actually is priority stuff which has various contractual guarantees (lab samples on ice and the like).