United Airlines' First Boeing 787 Dreamliner Begins Assembly
Aug 17, 2011, 3:27 pm
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The Continental 767-400ER only have 35 BF seats and this is basically the same size aircraft, so I am not surprised with these only have 36 BF seats.
Aug 17, 2011, 3:28 pm
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I'm pretty sure that the original PMCO configuration only called for 36 BusinessFirst seats, so none were lost with the addition of Economy Plus. It was just a lost of Economy seats.
The original config had 36 BF and 192 Economy, so that's a net loss of 9 seats with the addition of Economy Plus (or one row, which makes it seem very likely that we'll be seeing 3-3-3 seating
).
The original config had 36 BF and 192 Economy, so that's a net loss of 9 seats with the addition of Economy Plus (or one row, which makes it seem very likely that we'll be seeing 3-3-3 seating
).Not sure if it makes up for spending fourteen hours in a 17 inch wide seat fighting a stranger for elbow room, though.
Aug 17, 2011, 3:48 pm
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Aug 17, 2011, 4:14 pm
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C and J are both Business Class. I seem to remember hearing 36 BF seats even before the merger as well, so it seems they took out Y seats instead of BF seats.
3-3-3, while annoying, makes sense given the numbers. 3-3-3 for 7 rows gives you 63 seats. Although 120 is a multiple of 8 and not 9, it would make sense, that, just like the 777, the seating will be tapered at the back. (Tapering in the middle makes no sense.)
3-3-3, while annoying, makes sense given the numbers. 3-3-3 for 7 rows gives you 63 seats. Although 120 is a multiple of 8 and not 9, it would make sense, that, just like the 777, the seating will be tapered at the back. (Tapering in the middle makes no sense.)
Aug 17, 2011, 4:46 pm
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I think the ratio of 36:183::C:Y is pretty much right there with current offering including UAs 3-class 767 ratio of 32:151::F+C:Y. I am kind of surprised that they are capping the E+ section at only 63 (a 1:2 ratio to E-) seats though I think what happened there was that they will make the back portion of the cabin between doors 2 and 3 as the E+ section and then behind door 3 will be entirely E- (like the UA 3-class 777) so they were space limited. The advantage here is that the one row lost at 31"-ish pitch is divided among only the seven rows in the middle cabin to give the very nice 36" pitch.
Do you still lose seats for crew rest areas or will the plane have the sleeping births that are referenced in some of the Boeing material?
Do you still lose seats for crew rest areas or will the plane have the sleeping births that are referenced in some of the Boeing material?
Aug 17, 2011, 4:54 pm
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B752 9.1% (16/175)
B762 14.4% (25/174)
B788 16.4% (36/219)
B764 14.9% (35/235)
B772 18.1% (50/226)
It's actually relatively light on E+ for a longhaul aircraft of this size:
B763 47.0% (71/151)
B788 34.4% (63/183)
B772 47.1% (104/221)
B744 22.6% (70/310)
Aug 17, 2011, 6:10 pm
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I wonder how many people who love to keep the window shade up will be furious to learn that all of the window tinting on the 787 can be controlled from the FA station, just like the cabin lighting. So when they want to have the cabin dark they will no longer need to ask, just a flip of the switch and they will be done.
Aug 17, 2011, 6:23 pm
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I wonder how many people who love to keep the window shade up will be furious to learn that all of the window tinting on the 787 can be controlled from the FA station, just like the cabin lighting. So when they want to have the cabin dark they will no longer need to ask, just a flip of the switch and they will be done.
Aug 17, 2011, 6:28 pm
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It's certainly interesting that despite the earlier announcement that the post-merger fleet will have a mix of F/C and J configurations among long-haul aircraft, the 787s (or at least the first one) will only have J. I'd think the "long and lean" routes to which the 787 is best suited would also be key business routes where a variety of premium products would sell best.
Flying only domestic Japan.
This makes perfect sense, as none of the first adopters is going to want to commit to long haul international using a plane with which they have zero experience. Look for UA to use their first 787's on long haul domestic routes, and perhaps reconfigure them later.
Aug 17, 2011, 6:31 pm
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As a former geology student, I always enjoy the spectacular views of the Cascades or the Sierra Nevadas on the transcons, so would hate to miss that simply because a tired old movie is on the screen!
Aug 17, 2011, 6:34 pm
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number of BF seats don't matter....
remember, ma and pa on a yb mh fare will trump us all for the upgrades unders SMI/J new MP plan!!!
so E- it is for us higher elites...
so E- it is for us higher elites...