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HGOLI Oct 8, 2021 10:41 am

If anything positive has come out of this past 18 months or so, at least now people don't drag themselves into offices/other enclosed work spaces full of a cold/cough etc. Pre covid, it was annoying and didn't impress anyone, now I think they would be told to bug**er off home and to take their germs with them!

With some hybrid ways of working, minor ailments such as a cold should be much easier to deal with now if one can continue working at home, with no risk to passing it on to their work colleagues.

KARFA Oct 8, 2021 10:53 am

Normal coughs and colds are a fact of life, and pretty necessary to some extent to keep natural immunity to such things current. It will be interesting to see whether the covid experience warps in to a kind of illogical Howard Hughes style virus/germ phobia going forward.

HGOLI Oct 9, 2021 2:04 am


Originally Posted by KARFA (Post 33628764)
Normal coughs and colds are a fact of life, and pretty necessary to some extent to keep natural immunity to such things current. It will be interesting to see whether the covid experience warps in to a kind of illogical Howard Hughes style virus/germ phobia going forward.

Agree completely! Living in Africa as a kid for several years made my appreciate that a bit of dirt road, mud, and dust did wonders for my immune system! I suppose I was referring to folk who come into work (enclosed such as office) coughing and spluttering over everyone. To be honest I think the germ phobia is already with us, and has been for a while! Just look at all the adverts (one on now as I type!) for nuking everything in the home to elimate supposedly horrible germs!

Besides, I live in the woods, and probably walk into the house all sorts of things on my boots/shoes that would make some people reach for their smelling salts in shock. But I digress....

DaveS Oct 9, 2021 9:30 am

Daily data:

Cases 34,950 (30,301 last Saturday)
Deaths 133 (121)
Patients admitted 817 (757 on the 28th)
People vaccinated up to and including 8 October 2021:
First dose: 49,132,678
Second dose: 45,135,589

The rolling seven day daily average for cases is now up 5.2% on the previous week and the same measure for deaths is down 1.2%. The rolling 7 day daily average for deaths is 109.6 today.

kingstontoon Oct 9, 2021 5:46 pm


Originally Posted by ringingup (Post 33627929)
How are people approaching working in an office? I haven't been in one since March 2020, but since I'm starting a new job soon, I'll have/want to show my face at some point in the new office. I have to admit I'm not thrilled, as I'm still quite reluctant to spend time in indoor public spaces, unmasked. Reason why I've yet to eat in a restaurant indoors. That said, I went to the theatre a few weeks ago, but we had a box just for ourselves and kept our ffp2 masks on the whole time.

I'll have to start doing some of those things or I'll be left behind when it comes to important social and work interactions. I'm quite lucky that the risk of death or hospitalisation is very, very low based on my circumstances (early 40s, AZ vaccinated, no medical conditions). Nonetheless, the "be careful" voice is still quite loud for me, especially given the high incidence of cases in the UK and the generally more relaxed approach.

I'm curious as where other flyertalkers are on the wide spectrum of approaches and attitude to risk. :)

No concerns whatsoever. Ever since we've been "allowed" I've been back in pubs with friends several times a week and flying all over Europe (because long haul has been unavailable). I've been going into the office once a week throughout all this and have enjoyed working in a nice quiet environment but now colleagues are being encouraged / forced back there's an increasing push for people to wear masks either walking around or heaven forbid at desks. No thanks. If we're forced to wear masks in the office that'll simply push me back to WFH all the time. I will wear a mask where it's mandated but nowhere else, and I think the majority of people agree. I took the train from London to Birmingham on Friday night and there wasn't a mask to be seen. Usage on the Tube is dropping like a stone. I'm double jabbed as are the majority of others - that's our out move. Time to get on with life like we used to (although I agree with not going into the office if you have a cold!)

Schwann Oct 10, 2021 4:57 am


Originally Posted by HGOLI (Post 33628741)
If anything positive has come out of this past 18 months or so, at least now people don't drag themselves into offices/other enclosed work spaces full of a cold/cough etc.

I know my senses are probably heightened since the pandemic started, but on the train the other day there was a guy sat opposite me constantly sniffling and coughing and it got right on my nerves. Wish he got your memo!

VSLover Oct 10, 2021 5:40 am

i am almost assuredly going full time remote even though i live near barbican and my office is at kings cross. not for any fears, i just found in lockdown my productivity and optimal conditions to be super effective are wfh full time. even my manager is saying things like "you are going to apply for full time remote, yes??" like he wants me to lol.

but since i do not currently expect to move away from london i will still probably head in a few times per month...i just do not like the 2-3 days in per week thing that the company is expecting because the brits here are so....rule follow-y. in the US, my team will be very flexible regarding 2-3 days per week but here in the UK some higher ups will be too fixated on it being exactly 2-3 days.

DaveS Oct 10, 2021 9:34 am

Daily data:

Cases 34,574 (30,439 last Sunday)
Deaths 38 (43)
People vaccinated up to and including 9 October 2021:
First dose: 49,158,835
Second dose: 45,168,344

The rolling seven day daily average for cases is now up 7.8% on the previous week and the same measure for deaths is flat at 0.0%. The rolling 7 day daily average for deaths is 108.9 today.

ExpatExp Oct 10, 2021 11:31 am

Have been working steadily for months to persuade a skeptical colleague to get vaccinated. He says (after months of respectful, gentle discussion) that he will consider the single-jab Janssen vaccine but no others. I was delighted to hear it, so I told him I would try to find out how he could do this. Is there any word on when or how someone could receive the Janssen vaccine in London?

bluemoon68 Oct 10, 2021 12:05 pm


Originally Posted by ExpatExp (Post 33632916)
Have been working steadily for months to persuade a skeptical colleague to get vaccinated. He says (after months of respectful, gentle discussion) that he will consider the single-jab Janssen vaccine but no others. I was delighted to hear it, so I told him I would try to find out how he could do this. Is there any word on when or how someone could receive the Janssen vaccine in London?

It’s not available at the moment. Choice for first jabs is Pfizer or Moderna.

ExpatExp Oct 10, 2021 12:46 pm


Originally Posted by bluemoon68 (Post 33632976)
It’s not available at the moment. Choice for first jabs is Pfizer or Moderna.

Yes, that's my understanding also, which is why I was asking if anyone might have an inkling when and how it might be possible to get the Janssen vaccine in London?

corporate-wage-slave Oct 10, 2021 12:58 pm


Originally Posted by ExpatExp (Post 33633073)
Yes, that's my understanding also, which is why I was asking if anyone might have an inkling when and how it might be possible to get the Janssen vaccine in London?

It's simply not in the NHS supply chain and the NHS has a legal monopoly on vaccine supply. We're not even sending it to the few dozen people in British Antartica (they are getting AZ, which is slightly odd since keeping Pfizer cold is usually the logistical problem....) or the Pitcairns. My advice is perhaps get them on Pfizer, the side effects are usually pretty low and it would give probably similar protection to J&J. Doesn't help with the paperwork but presumably they don't do much travelling.

ExpatExp Oct 10, 2021 1:04 pm


Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave (Post 33633115)
It's simply not in the NHS supply chain and the NHS has a legal monopoly on vaccine supply. We're not even sending it the few dozen people in British Antartica (they are getting AZ, which is slightly odd since keeping Pfizer cold is usually the logistical problem....) or the Pitcairns. My advice is perhaps get them on Pfizer, the side effects are usually pretty low and it would give probably similar protection to J&J. Doesn't help with the paperwork but presumably they don't do much travelling.

Ok thank you for that. I think I am confused because the NHS says that the Janssen vaccine will be "available later this year". But perhaps that is not what is expected to happen. Sadly a double jab is a non-starter for this colleague (getting him to the point of considering a single jab has been an epic journey), so I may have to tell him to wait and see if anything develops with Janssen.

corporate-wage-slave Oct 10, 2021 1:11 pm


Originally Posted by ExpatExp (Post 33633133)
Ok thank you for that. I think I am confused because the NHS says that the Janssen vaccine will be "available later this year". But perhaps that is not what is expected to happen. Sadly a double jab is a non-starter for this colleague (getting him to the point of considering a single jab has been an epic journey), so I may have to tell him to wait and see if anything develops with Janssen.

That page was updated quite recently too - I haven't heard anything recently in this space. The obvious time to do this is in the run up to the deadline for care home staff to be vaccinated, 11 November, since we have gone past the relevant deadlines for the two dose vaccines. I'd probably leave the discussion for a bit - they look like they have crossed the main rubicon, and we're now on to details.

ExpatExp Oct 10, 2021 2:18 pm

Excellent! Thank you corporate-wage-slave .


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