Oct 15, 2020, 6:45 pm
Local lockdowns in the UK
Jun 26, 2021, 9:50 am
#5956
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Regarding boosters ...
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/vaccina...years/46738564
"In a policy brief published on Friday, the Swiss National Covid Science Task Force writes that after mRNA vaccination, individuals below 65 years of age likely maintain more than 50% protection against mild infection for 16 months or longer and more than 80% protection against severe infection for more than three years."
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/vaccina...years/46738564
"In a policy brief published on Friday, the Swiss National Covid Science Task Force writes that after mRNA vaccination, individuals below 65 years of age likely maintain more than 50% protection against mild infection for 16 months or longer and more than 80% protection against severe infection for more than three years."
Jun 26, 2021, 9:51 am
#5957
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With 23 deaths reported today, we share that figure with Honduras. Honduras reported 1,531 cases today and has a population 6.5 times less than the UK. There is still some reason to be optimistic with the vaccination drive giving the UK a very low death rate compared with most other countries. With just over double the UK population, Russia reported 619 deaths today.
I see America’s numbers have started rising again as well.. they are going to be less protected by a very much stalled vaccine rollout.
It’s not like Boris has nailed his colours to the mast and declared July 19th a terminus date... Not sure anything will come back to bite him at this rate
Jun 26, 2021, 11:00 am
#5958
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The figures can go.as high as they like… as long as the hospitalisation don’t go wild.
Jun 26, 2021, 11:55 am
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On the other hand, hospitals treating the covid cases that arise in unvaccinated people now means they won't have to treat them in the autumn, when of course the NHS comes under huge strain every year anyway.
Jun 26, 2021, 12:17 pm
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Let those that feel the need to isolate stay indoors for the rest of their lives for all I care. Once again a miniscule minority expect the overwhelming majority that were unaffected before vaccines, and that majority has grown considerably with vaccines, double jabbed or not. Everyone has pretty much done their bit for us to return to normal, and not this nonsense "new normal". If people are scared of risk in their lives stay indoors. Road deaths, smoking, accidents, the list goes on, life is full of risks and this nonsense that it can be eliminated is just ridiculous now. Just open everything on 19th July and be done.
Jun 26, 2021, 12:32 pm
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It can be argued that infections are of no consequence if they do not lead to hospitalisation or death, but we are not going to be free to travel to other countries (other than to a handful of bucket-and-spade destinations willing to risk everything for tourist income) until our infection rate is under control again. I'd have thought that would be a prime consideration on a frequent flyer forum.
Jun 26, 2021, 2:14 pm
#5963
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It can be argued that infections are of no consequence if they do not lead to hospitalisation or death, but we are not going to be free to travel to other countries (other than to a handful of bucket-and-spade destinations willing to risk everything for tourist income) until our infection rate is under control again. I'd have thought that would be a prime consideration on a frequent flyer forum.
For those refusing vaccination, I agree with you - travel could be very hard, if not impossible.
Jun 26, 2021, 2:33 pm
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If merkel and macron get their way - all of the EU will close to us with things the way they are, whether we are vaccinated or not. Countries in the Med really need UK tourists, so they are unlikely to completely close to the UK, but, like Malta, I can easily see them say you can only come if you're vaccinated.
Jun 26, 2021, 6:21 pm
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If merkel and macron get their way - all of the EU will close to us with things the way they are, whether we are vaccinated or not. Countries in the Med really need UK tourists, so they are unlikely to completely close to the UK, but, like Malta, I can easily see them say you can only come if you're vaccinated.
what i am curious about is what they would do when/if the US delta overtakes and creates an equally significant increase in cases.
Jun 27, 2021, 12:10 am
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Without wishing to stray into OMNI territory, I wonder if the departure of Matt Hancock will make the easing of travel restrictions happen sooner. It was reported early this month that Grant Shapps and Matt Hancock had a big row over Malta going green and then it didn't. Sajid Javid is bright guy and as a former chancellor, business secretary and banker, he may be more sympathetic to the financial cost of the restrictions.
Jun 27, 2021, 12:46 am
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If merkel and macron get their way - all of the EU will close to us with things the way they are, whether we are vaccinated or not. Countries in the Med really need UK tourists, so they are unlikely to completely close to the UK, but, like Malta, I can easily see them say you can only come if you're vaccinated.
just to immediately test on arrival all UK arrivals vaccinated or not.
their belief is the delta variant will become dominant globally one way or another and that the best defence is to speed up immunity as much as possible.
(in Greece unlike uk vaccinated ppl are having more and more rights such as not needing any tests etc )
Jun 27, 2021, 1:00 am
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Without wishing to stray into OMNI territory, I wonder if the departure of Matt Hancock will make the easing of travel restrictions happen sooner. It was reported early this month that Grant Shapps and Matt Hancock had a big row over Malta going green and then it didn't. Sajid Javid is bright guy and as a former chancellor, business secretary and banker, he may be more sympathetic to the financial cost of the restrictions.
Jun 27, 2021, 1:01 am
#5969
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If merkel and macron get their way - all of the EU will close to us with things the way they are, whether we are vaccinated or not. Countries in the Med really need UK tourists, so they are unlikely to completely close to the UK, but, like Malta, I can easily see them say you can only come if you're vaccinated.
And France still allows vaccinated U.K. visitors. Planning to utilize that this week. If it shuts down will just fly through Spain or at worst the US on my US passport with my CDC card and call it a mileage run!
Jun 27, 2021, 1:57 am
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There's a very interesting (and very short) piece in today's Observer newspaper:
Why most people who now die with Covid have been vaccinated
Why most people who now die with Covid have been vaccinated
It could sound worrying that the majority of people dying with the now-dominant Delta (B.1.617.2) variant have been vaccinated. Does this mean the vaccines are ineffective? Far from it, it’s what we would expect from an effective but imperfect vaccine, a risk profile that varies hugely by age and the way the vaccines have been rolled out.