Calling all natives! Please review my road-trip plan to the Scottish Highlands.
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The traffic around ABZ (Dyce) is shocking between 7am to 9.30am and 4pm to 6pm Monday to Friday. Avoid these time periods if you've a flight to catch.
The A96 from Inverness to Aberdeen is a dreadful road - full of HGV's and limited passing opportunities and boring in terms of scenery.
Take the A9 south to Carrbridge, cut across to Grantown on Spey, then take the A939 over the Lecht to Balmoral and then onto Aberdeen via Dinnet, Tarland and the B9119
The A96 from Inverness to Aberdeen is a dreadful road - full of HGV's and limited passing opportunities and boring in terms of scenery.
Take the A9 south to Carrbridge, cut across to Grantown on Spey, then take the A939 over the Lecht to Balmoral and then onto Aberdeen via Dinnet, Tarland and the B9119
On the way back, we're actually done by about 4:30pm at the Glennfiddich distillery. The flight is at 8:30pm. So we've given ourselves about 2 hours to get there and about 60 minutes to check in. (The trip itself is about an hour, via Google maps).
Is that good enough?
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Don't see how people missed that part where I said that part was set. Non-refundable tickets.
It is a low cost flight on Flybe from EMA.
I looked at the map and thought 'Oh they are coming for a week' and then saw three days.
Like most other visitors to the forum, you are being very ambitious in terms of what you can see and do in 3 days. If all you really want to see of Scotland is the view from the windscreen, sure, go ahead and do this. You won't actually have time to do much (like visiting those castles you are driving past) but you'll certainly be able to say you've circumnavigated Scotland.
Like most other visitors to the forum, you are being very ambitious in terms of what you can see and do in 3 days. If all you really want to see of Scotland is the view from the windscreen, sure, go ahead and do this. You won't actually have time to do much (like visiting those castles you are driving past) but you'll certainly be able to say you've circumnavigated Scotland.
But obviously, I bow to your expertise.
I was originally planning to cut out C, D and E.
Stirling Castle,
Balloch Castle,
and Loch Lomond (Especially since we're planning to visit Loch Tay and Ness)
BUT, I really want to see Stirling Castle, because it really looks beautiful, and then I figured, that if I'm there, I might as well see Balloch Castle and Loch Lomond...and then I thought, well...we may as well stop for the night there.
How much would I be missing out if I cut out those three from the trip?
Drove directly to Loch tay from Dunnottar castle?
I wouldn't mind terribly. It's not like this is the last time, I'm visiting.
I am in love with your country.
Other thoughts - you'll want to go down the west side of Loch Ness (the A road) not the east side (the B or C road which will take a lot longer to drive for no obvious gain).
But thanks for the tip. We will go that way.
How easy would it be to figure out these routes if our GPS failed us? We're planning to take a map with us any way.
In later September, you can probably wing it with B&Bs to some extent - but do check out your route for any areas where you may be dependent upon just one or two (i.e. pinch points). Also the better ones will book up more quickly. But especially if you are mid-week, taking a chance should be fine.
For example, zooming into Google maps showed me the Kintail Lodge not too far away from Eilean Donan. About 65 pounds for a standard room. Is that a fair price?
If I was alone, I'd just bunk it for 15 pounds, but I don't know how cool she'd be with the idea. Especially since she's going to be doing the driving.
To answer some other questions
No, most of the NW highlands have no light pollution so once you start north from Loch Lomond, the night skies will be open. Does depend on there being no clouds, which is actually the bigger issue. This is Scotland - land of the cloud and rain. The light on the west coast is different from that found anywhere else (except bizarrely East Lothian) so do take the time from relentless driving to actually enjoy that.
No, most of the NW highlands have no light pollution so once you start north from Loch Lomond, the night skies will be open. Does depend on there being no clouds, which is actually the bigger issue. This is Scotland - land of the cloud and rain. The light on the west coast is different from that found anywhere else (except bizarrely East Lothian) so do take the time from relentless driving to actually enjoy that.
Really hope it doesn't rain for just those three days.
But He doesn't seem to paying any attention to me oft late, so not too sure if those prayers will work or not.
I also need to figure out how to get her tripod into the bag. It barely fits sideways. Would've been nice if it was an inch or two shorter. (Okay that sounds way dirtier than it did inside my head )
From memory Loch Ness is about 30 miles long, and Loch Tay about 15 miles long, with communities living up and down the side of them. It is difficult to close a very large geographical feature which people live on and work on and live by BTW, in Scotland, we call them lochs, not lakes.
I see what you mean. But I was thinking about it in terms of how they close down parks here for the night...
Generally yes, but midges are worse at night. That said, they should be dying down by then. If they are a problem buy Avon Skinsosoft. It doesn't stop them landing on you (which means the annoyance factor is still there) but it does stop them biting.
But thanks for the tip.
Expect to average 30-40 mph on everything that isn't dual carriageway, and you'll be realistic. It is out of season, so the roads will be quieter, nevertheless, you are generally restricted to the speed of the slowest vehicle you encounter - which is usually a guy in a beat up Peugeot or Micra doing 40.
Much as I love Loch Tay, I'd have to question going there. It's not a great road, and while the area is beautiful it might be better to push on and spend more time not driving at one of your other places.
Let me put it this way.
I'm willing to change over 90% of this road trip. I'd really like to see Eilean Donan and Dunottar castle.
But everything else is movable/changeable.
Here's what we're looking for.
A nice drive with the windows down.
Playing some Enya.
Catching beautiful sunrises and sunsets (and being able to photograph them)
Visiting some castles. We both love history.
So anything that you'd recommend instead of what we currently have planned?
I appreciate all the help you and everyone else has given me.
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Wow, that's quite a route!
A couple years ago I drove up to the Isle of Skye from Edinburgh and I found the Scottish Highlands to be absolutely beautiful. While I can't comment on all your questions, I can give the following advice based on my own experience:
1. You'll spend more time than you anticipate i.e. a driving route you expect to take 5 hours can easily turn into 8-10 hours. Driving distances take longer to cover in the Highlands and you'll definitely spend a lot of time frequently stopping here and there to take pictures. There are also many roads with single lanes so be patient and drive carefully especially at night when it gets foggy.
A couple years ago I drove up to the Isle of Skye from Edinburgh and I found the Scottish Highlands to be absolutely beautiful. While I can't comment on all your questions, I can give the following advice based on my own experience:
1. You'll spend more time than you anticipate i.e. a driving route you expect to take 5 hours can easily turn into 8-10 hours. Driving distances take longer to cover in the Highlands and you'll definitely spend a lot of time frequently stopping here and there to take pictures. There are also many roads with single lanes so be patient and drive carefully especially at night when it gets foggy.
As much as we love to hike, it's something that we're not planning on doing this trip.
The way I planned it out, we're not going to be driving after dark.
Risky and not worth it.
We want to get to a place in the evening. Catch the sunset, and then stay there for the night.
2. There are lots of rest and pullover areas but I recommend having ample food supply on hand and having an emergency gas canister/container in the trunk that's fully filled (in case you become low on fuel and can't find any gas stations for miles and miles).
3. Expect wet and windy conditions. It won't be pouring the whole day but from experience it will drizzle a little then become clear/sunny again and the same thing repeats a couple times a day.
It was very annoying at first, but then I got used to it.
The biggest problem I had was that I wasn't carrying protective gear for my camera.
4. I recommend reserving a B&B ahead of time since September is still considered peak tourist season in Scotland.
5. The best food in the Highlands are found in local pubs. Almost all will serve locally sourced produce, meats, seafood, etc. This is especially true the more north you get. If you want something really Scottish, try Haggis (a dish made from sheep organs) with neeps (turnips) and tatties (potatoes).
6. For photography, the higher north you get the better the photos!
Enjoy the Highlands!
Enjoy the Highlands!
Thank you all for your help!
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As others have said, this is a demanding schedule. By and large the roads are by no means the worst and narrowest in the Highlands but as Jenbel says your speed will often be dictated by the car, caravan, lorry or tractor in front of you.
As for Eilean Donan, it's about the setting rather than the building itself, and I wouldn't make that detour on a dull or drizzly day. Spend the time at Urquhart Castle instead - which is the reason to go up the W side of Loch Ness, rather than time, as the E side is usually just as quick and indeed faster if the W side road is full of tourist traffic. (It's also more scenic IMO and you get great views of the loch as you drop down towards Dores. But that's by the by.)
Petrol will not be £1.60 a gallon and you will not find an Asda between Loch Lomond (at least) and Inverness (and you won't find the Inverness Asda unless you look hard for it!)
Pub food will be very variable but is probably what you want!
As for Eilean Donan, it's about the setting rather than the building itself, and I wouldn't make that detour on a dull or drizzly day. Spend the time at Urquhart Castle instead - which is the reason to go up the W side of Loch Ness, rather than time, as the E side is usually just as quick and indeed faster if the W side road is full of tourist traffic. (It's also more scenic IMO and you get great views of the loch as you drop down towards Dores. But that's by the by.)
Petrol will not be £1.60 a gallon and you will not find an Asda between Loch Lomond (at least) and Inverness (and you won't find the Inverness Asda unless you look hard for it!)
Pub food will be very variable but is probably what you want!
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On your route, which is not off the beaten track at all by Highland standards, so long as you don't run your tank too low, there isn't really anything to worry about especially as you will be driving during the day. I wouldn't think it worth carrying spare fuel.
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But the Scots are used to people who don't pronounce it correctly and will know what you mean. You could always tell them it's a voiceless velar fricative and impress them!
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Change of plans based on what you said about wasting time driving.
This is the new (tentative) itinerary.
Let me know what you guys think.
Day 1.
ABZ to Dunnottar to Loch Tay. Stay the night there.
Day 2.
Loch Tay to Eilean Donan to a hotel half way to Loch Ness.
Day 3.
Hotel to Uruqhart to Glenfidditch to ABZ.
This is the new (tentative) itinerary.
Let me know what you guys think.
Day 1.
ABZ to Dunnottar to Loch Tay. Stay the night there.
Day 2.
Loch Tay to Eilean Donan to a hotel half way to Loch Ness.
Day 3.
Hotel to Uruqhart to Glenfidditch to ABZ.
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As for Eilean Donan, it's about the setting rather than the building itself, and I wouldn't make that detour on a dull or drizzly day. Spend the time at Urquhart Castle instead - which is the reason to go up the W side of Loch Ness, rather than time, as the E side is usually just as quick and indeed faster if the W side road is full of tourist traffic. (It's also more scenic IMO and you get great views of the loch as you drop down towards Dores. But that's by the by.)
Petrol will not be £1.60 a gallon and you will not find an Asda between Loch Lomond (at least) and Inverness (and you won't find the Inverness Asda unless you look hard for it!)
That should take us all the way around till Aberdeen, shouldn't it?
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Actually, it's Glenfiddich, without the "t" and the "ch" is a soft sound pronounced in the throat without the clicking sound you get with a "k." Kind of like the Dutch "g" or the "ch" (usually) in German, if you know what they sound like. The same with "loch" and other syllables ending in a vowel followed by "ch."
But the Scots are used to people who don't pronounce it correctly and will know what you mean. You could always tell them it's a voiceless velar fricative and impress them!
But the Scots are used to people who don't pronounce it correctly and will know what you mean. You could always tell them it's a voiceless velar fricative and impress them!
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Wishing you the best of weather!!
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There is no way you will need to take extra fuel with you - there are more than enough petrol stations around. If you're worried, I'd suggest looking at a site like http://www.whatgas.com/petrol-prices...st-petrol.html which will show just how many places there are and/or downloading an app that will show you, if you have a smartphone.
FWIW, petrol stations will only allow you to fill either 2x5L plastic or 1x10L metal containers.
FWIW, petrol stations will only allow you to fill either 2x5L plastic or 1x10L metal containers.
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Was going to suggest overnight at Bunrannoch House at Kinloch Rannoch, instead of Loch Tay, but it's closed down due to illness Gutted. Was a great B&B in a lovely Baronial style house and the proprieters were great.
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Depending on the car and how you drive, a full tank might even take you the whole way, but you will need no more than a fill-up somewhere along the route, perhaps Inverness. You will have no difficulty with this. There is no need at all to carry spare fuel with you. If you insist on doing so, you will have to buy appropriate empty containers and fill them from the pumps at a filling station. Pre-filled containers are not available.
Wishing you the best of weather!!
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It's a compact. Ford Fiesta or similar.
There is no way you will need to take extra fuel with you - there are more than enough petrol stations around. If you're worried, I'd suggest looking at a site like http://www.whatgas.com/petrol-prices...st-petrol.html which will show just how many places there are and/or downloading an app that will show you, if you have a smartphone.
FWIW, petrol stations will only allow you to fill either 2x5L plastic or 1x10L metal containers.
FWIW, petrol stations will only allow you to fill either 2x5L plastic or 1x10L metal containers.
Thanks for the link!
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Was going to suggest overnight at Bunrannoch House at Kinloch Rannoch, instead of Loch Tay, but it's closed down due to illness Gutted. Was a great B&B in a lovely Baronial style house and the proprieters were great.
Fair reviews and very convenient locations.