Getting to Rome and why it sometimes actually pays to be a nice guy.
#16
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Originally Posted by BenjaminNYC
Why?
You arrived late (your fault) and you're mad UA didn't break the rules for you??
You arrived late (your fault) and you're mad UA didn't break the rules for you??
Originally Posted by BenjaminNYC
In the end, it was UA that suggested you go to LH, which enabled you to have this good trip on LH.
Originally Posted by BenjaminNYC
Also, UA's Business Class is hardly "among the worst".
#17
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Join Date: Jun 2005
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Originally Posted by BambooTom
Hey McKov,
Can you tell me more about the Beds on Lufthansa Biz class?
I got a free trans atlantic upgrade soon.
Thanks
Tom
Can you tell me more about the Beds on Lufthansa Biz class?
I got a free trans atlantic upgrade soon.
Thanks
Tom
The controls are a little complex, but they have some hotkey positions.
The kickback and relax (recline) position reclines, well, lifts the bottom cushion, and raises the legrest into a position that is like an anti-gravity chair. VERY comfortable here. I'm a lumbar back sufferer, and I was very pleased.
The BED psoition takes some getting used to. It is certainly flat, but not horizontal. At first I slid down the bed, which was disconcerting. After a bit, I got used to it and found a slide-free position, curled into fetal position on my side. I slept VERY well. They have a little privacy screen designed to keep you from getting up close and personal with the pseenger next to you, but it was small enough to be useless. The cushions are a bit hard, but I am a firm bed person, so it was to my liking. Key point here is that you can sleep on your side, and that is a good thing!
Other gadgets in the seat:
POWER
One kicking features was the in-seat power. Most airlines that have in-seat power have the 'Airline adapter'... you know, the old proprietary Empower connection. That used to be fine for me, but since my trips are long, I carry a monster laptop (17" P4 3.2 Fujitsu N6010) which carries with it a 150 watt power supply. None to the airpline adapters you can buy support it. Lufthansa has good old standard outlets, so you can simply plug in your normal power supply.
INTERNET
My flight had WIFI access ($30 for the flight). It was fairly fast. I had about 256K connection, which was enough for me to do something that pretty much freaked other people out. I powered up the laptop, plugged in my bluetooth dongle, put on my bluetooth headset, loaded up Skype, and started making and taking phone calls via the net conenction ,walking up and down the aisle. It worked like a charm! I did get a couple of 'you can't use your cell phone here' comments :-)
TV
My unit didn't work, but for those that had theirs working, it was nice and big. I looked like it was a 10.4" LCD. The system runs on Windows CE, it appears that they are having many problems with the system, as rebooting was a regular thing I noticed. But then again, I have similar problems with my BMW ;-)
MEALS
The food simply sucked, but I learned long ago to eat as little in-flight as possible no matter how good or bad the food is, so no loss there.
All in all, it all boiled down to three things: The bed was great, the net was great, and the service was 1st class.
-m
#18
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Originally Posted by mckov
They have a little privacy screen designed to keep you from getting up close and personal with the pseenger next to you, but it was small enough to be useless.

Oh, and yes, it pays off to be a nice guy. 90% of my flying is with LH, on longhauls always in C or F (mostly upgrades), so I know the product very well and have a good idea of LH's variance regarding service quality and consistency. By being nice and connecting to the staff (and please never confuse being nice with sucking up, which usually doesn't leave a good impression), I have received several op-ups and, on many occasions, superior treatment. Of course, YMMV, and there have also been a few bad episodes with LH staff. Luckily, being nice doesn't mean one has to be weak. When somebody treats me badly or trys to take away my rights despite me being nice, I'm very much able to change gears and get what I'm entitled to. But of course it's so much better to achieve this goal while EVERYBODY's feeling good about it.
Last edited by flysurfer; Jun 19, 2005 at 7:15 am
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Originally Posted by mckov
INTERNET
My flight had WIFI access ($30 for the flight). It was fairly fast. I had about 256K connection, which was enough for me to do something that pretty much freaked other people out. I powered up the laptop, plugged in my bluetooth dongle, put on my bluetooth headset, loaded up Skype, and started making and taking phone calls via the net conenction ,walking up and down the aisle. It worked like a charm! I did get a couple of 'you can't use your cell phone here' comments :-)
TV
My unit didn't work, but for those that had theirs working, it was nice and big. I looked like it was a 10.4" LCD. The system runs on Windows CE, it appears that they are having many problems with the system, as rebooting was a regular thing I noticed. But then again, I have similar problems with my BMW ;-)
My flight had WIFI access ($30 for the flight). It was fairly fast. I had about 256K connection, which was enough for me to do something that pretty much freaked other people out. I powered up the laptop, plugged in my bluetooth dongle, put on my bluetooth headset, loaded up Skype, and started making and taking phone calls via the net conenction ,walking up and down the aisle. It worked like a charm! I did get a couple of 'you can't use your cell phone here' comments :-)
TV
My unit didn't work, but for those that had theirs working, it was nice and big. I looked like it was a 10.4" LCD. The system runs on Windows CE, it appears that they are having many problems with the system, as rebooting was a regular thing I noticed. But then again, I have similar problems with my BMW ;-)
Unlike UA, there's a huge difference between C and F.Regarding WIFI: You are the reason for many in the UA forum demanding to block Skype access as soon as UA introduces on-board internet on some of their planes next year. Especially the "walking down the aisle" behavior might be quite annoying to other pax, especially to those trying to sleep.
Regarding IFE: Windows CE sucks. Seems like the system can't handle the load when distributing the requested information to each seat on a fully booked flight - so it crashes. My sources say that LH is trying to further compress the information (like movies) to enhance system stability (but at the cost of quality). LH is very, very unhappy with the Honeywell folks.
#20
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Originally Posted by flysurfer
LOL! You have to use the privacy screen in conjunction with your tray table! .
Originally Posted by flysurfer
(and please never confuse being nice with sucking up, which usually doesn't leave a good impression)
#21
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Originally Posted by flysurfer
Unlike UA, there's a huge difference between C and F.
Originally Posted by flysurfer
Regarding WIFI: You are the reason for many in the UA forum demanding to block Skype access as soon as UA introduces on-board internet on some of their planes next year. Especially the "walking down the aisle" behavior might be quite annoying to other pax, especially to those trying to sleep.
However, blocking Skype would be useless. That would just kill Skype. What about other VOIP services? Moreover, we are finishing up an Asterisk install at our office, so we could just as easily use that, and assign any port we want, making blocking impossible. All they can do is make another rule they will need to enforce. Another issue is that as voip becomes more popular, use of Skype and other voip service will soak up what little bandwidth is available on the plane.
Originally Posted by flysurfer
Regarding IFE: Windows CE sucks. Seems like the system can't handle the load when distributing the requested information to each seat on a fully booked flight - so it crashes. My sources say that LH is trying to further compress the information (like movies) to enhance system stability (but at the cost of quality). LH is very, very unhappy with the Honeywell folks.
I can't think of any reason that compressing the data more would cause a CE device to be more stable. To the contrary, the more you compress it, the more horsepower the device will need to decompress. My guesses (without really understanding the problem) would be more in the area of hardware problems (bottlenecks), codec problems, or just plain sloppy programming.
That having been said, I have seen these problems on airlines enough in the past that I would love the opportunity to design & implement such a system. from scratch. Amo0ng many improvements I would love to implement, these could be made modular such that onboard crew could easily fix just about any problem in-flight with no training.
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Originally Posted by mckov
However, blocking Skype would be useless. That would just kill Skype. What about other VOIP services? Moreover, we are finishing up an Asterisk install at our office, so we could just as easily use that, and assign any port we want, making blocking impossible. All they can do is make another rule they will need to enforce. Another issue is that as voip becomes more popular, use of Skype and other voip service will soak up what little bandwidth is available on the plane.
I can't think of any reason that compressing the data more would cause a CE device to be more stable. To the contrary, the more you compress it, the more horsepower the device will need to decompress. My guesses (without really understanding the problem) would be more in the area of hardware problems (bottlenecks), codec problems, or just plain sloppy programming.
I can't think of any reason that compressing the data more would cause a CE device to be more stable. To the contrary, the more you compress it, the more horsepower the device will need to decompress. My guesses (without really understanding the problem) would be more in the area of hardware problems (bottlenecks), codec problems, or just plain sloppy programming.
And regarding IFE: From what I was told, the major bottleneck must be on the server side, as usually the entire system crashes. A single reboot can take up to 20 minutes, at least with the 1st generation software they got on those A343s running MUC-LAX and MUC-PVG, which were the first planes to be reconfigured with new C (they removed F on these a/c). LH has a new software now (on more recently reconfigured a/c) which enables AVOD. I tested it in April on MUC-CLT in enhanced F (witch a touch screen), worked flawlessly. But then I hear horror stories from the new MUC-ORD and MUC-IAD routes featuring new C and enhanced F (purser being busy issuing compensation miles to pax and desperately trying to fix malfunctioning C seats).
IFE control in incredibly slow. The system often need a few seconds just to react to a "mouse click", so it takes ages to navigate through the menus. Pax don't care if this is due to CE or the server OS (or any combination of it), they just hate the end result. And LH hates it, too.
Last edited by flysurfer; Jun 20, 2005 at 2:29 am
#24
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Originally Posted by flysurfer
Regarding WIFI: You are the reason for many in the UA forum demanding to block Skype access as soon as UA introduces on-board internet on some of their planes next year. Especially the "walking down the aisle" behavior might be quite annoying to other pax, especially to those trying to sleep.
http://www.skypejournal.com/blog/arc..._air_heads.php

