A Tourist In North Korea
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"It was my first time seeing a leader of a country while visiting so it was a bit of a buzz"...yea, I always get a buzz too when I see a murdering dictator in person who imprisons and murders his own people and uses them for slave labor...lol.
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Wow, what an amazing report with some of your best pics. You beautifully captured the excitement of the spectators and participants in the parade. And the stadium pics were surreal. Bravo!
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One of the best trip reports I have EVER read! Thank you so much for this! I would love to visit North Korea, but I'm kind of hesitant, because I am retired U.S. military. I don't know if that would have any thing to do with it, though. I will have to contact the tour company you went with for more information. I'm guessing the best time to go is during the Mass Games? Also, is there a restriction on camera/lens sizes for a trip there? I have a Nikon D800 and would love to use it to capture the journey.
Once again, thank you, for a well detailed trip report!
Once again, thank you, for a well detailed trip report!
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/19/p...ntl/index.html
If you had a non-US passport also it would be ok. There was two dual Canadian-US passport holders on my tour and they just left their US passports at the tour agency back in Beijing. Being a retired U.S. military probably wouldn't be an issue. The only US ex-military detained by North Korea was an ex-Korean war veteran who had apparently asked to meet up with other veterans while there:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merrill_Newman
There is no real restrictions with camera equipment. I had my Canon 5D4 which is similar spec to the Nikon D800. I think lenses >250mm are not technically allowed but have heard that they don't really enforce it.
Herein lies the problem. Much like a recent Seat 2A trip report, your posting this without notice has wrecked my plans for this morning. I should have been out by now running a few errands in preparation for a RTW starting Monday. I am now 90 minutes behind. But, as usual, your reports require a full read from start to finish!
I have two issues with going to DPRK - one being a US citizen and the other being a 'don't tell mum' country. After seeing a non-FT trip report a while back (two Europeans traveling, rightly or wrongly, by train, from Moscow to Pyongyang, I have been fascinated by the possibly of visiting DPRK. Maybe one day?
Thanks for posting!
I have two issues with going to DPRK - one being a US citizen and the other being a 'don't tell mum' country. After seeing a non-FT trip report a while back (two Europeans traveling, rightly or wrongly, by train, from Moscow to Pyongyang, I have been fascinated by the possibly of visiting DPRK. Maybe one day?
Thanks for posting!
Amazing TR, I've always been fascinated by DPRK, I'd love to go but I do feel that being a propaganda pawn and seeing things like the water factory not working because of the 'holidays' and bringing in money to a tyranny would go against my ethics.
However I know everyone is a hypocrite so I'm glad travellers like you do go. Your pictures show a lot more than nearly every documentary out there.
However I know everyone is a hypocrite so I'm glad travellers like you do go. Your pictures show a lot more than nearly every documentary out there.
Many thanks, SFO777. Yes, it was great to see the military parade and the genuine smiles and celebration. The Mass Games was such a visual spectacle too, utterly mindblowing!
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How much cash do you think people carried with them on your tour? Did the tour guide have suggestions? For the Dutchman buying Seat 1, did he know ahead of time that it would be 800EU or did he just have hundreds of EU on his person in anticipation of this? While on the metro or in crowded places, did you ever fear pickpockets like when your mobile was almost stolen in MEX?
as for the regime talk, I’m sure that some Tibetans or Uighurs wouldn’t be thrilled with all the TRs in China. Let’s not even get started with how some people might feel about TRs in the USA.
Without the aviation tour, would you still want to do another visit in DPRK, assuming that there are different tour options?
as for the regime talk, I’m sure that some Tibetans or Uighurs wouldn’t be thrilled with all the TRs in China. Let’s not even get started with how some people might feel about TRs in the USA.
Without the aviation tour, would you still want to do another visit in DPRK, assuming that there are different tour options?
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Awesome as always. In fact even better than your high standard. Well worth the wait.
It was fascinating to see how many unique places you visited compared to my five night marathon trip in 2017. I didn't get to see the Kim's resting spots, but after your review, I'm not sure I missed anything...
Not to hijack your thread but here are three photos worth sharing.
You mentioned not being allowed to take photos in the super market and war museum, but I took the risk. This one was the photo showing the 'American Pigs' in defeat.
I personally enjoyed the Dog Meat Soup and here is a close up of the meat itself. I got a gamy pulled meat taste as well.
This was my favorite from my five days and taken on my first morning. We had dramatically different views/weather. But the weather cleared up nicely and I got to see the blue sky/bustling Pyongyang later in the week.
Again, great stuff, Keep it up.
It was fascinating to see how many unique places you visited compared to my five night marathon trip in 2017. I didn't get to see the Kim's resting spots, but after your review, I'm not sure I missed anything...
Not to hijack your thread but here are three photos worth sharing.
You mentioned not being allowed to take photos in the super market and war museum, but I took the risk. This one was the photo showing the 'American Pigs' in defeat.
I personally enjoyed the Dog Meat Soup and here is a close up of the meat itself. I got a gamy pulled meat taste as well.
This was my favorite from my five days and taken on my first morning. We had dramatically different views/weather. But the weather cleared up nicely and I got to see the blue sky/bustling Pyongyang later in the week.
Again, great stuff, Keep it up.
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Wow - thank you for a comprehensive trip report. It's probably the most comprehensive one on North Korea that I've ever seen.
I had a question about whether you asked or had to disclose whether photos would be used for Flyertalk or other blogs for the internet? I recalled a previous trip report where the poster had to clear it with the guide, who allegedly knew about this site. If It's not appropriate to share here, I'd love to hear by private message. It seems you had pretty much free run about photographs with the guide. The amount of photos that you took is probably more than the average tourist.
My other question was about the focal length of the lens you were allowed to bring in. It seems that has been answered as less than 250 mm?
Thank you again
I had a question about whether you asked or had to disclose whether photos would be used for Flyertalk or other blogs for the internet? I recalled a previous trip report where the poster had to clear it with the guide, who allegedly knew about this site. If It's not appropriate to share here, I'd love to hear by private message. It seems you had pretty much free run about photographs with the guide. The amount of photos that you took is probably more than the average tourist.
My other question was about the focal length of the lens you were allowed to bring in. It seems that has been answered as less than 250 mm?
Thank you again
#53
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Hey Daniel,
I've always enjoyed your trip reports, but this definitely ranks up there with your best. When you take your photos do you ask the locals if it's alright? Any resistance from them?
I've always enjoyed your trip reports, but this definitely ranks up there with your best. When you take your photos do you ask the locals if it's alright? Any resistance from them?
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Thank you, choklit. Unfortunately US passport holders are prohibited (unless exempted) by the US State Dept from visiting North Korea at the moment. The ban was recently extended last year but perhaps with the Trump-Kim détente it will eventually be eased:
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/19/p...ntl/index.html
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/19/p...ntl/index.html
I at least want to do a JSA visit from South Korea, where you can technically set foot inside North Korea. Were you not able to cross the border on your trip to the DMZ from North Korea?
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Those tours were run by another firm, Juche Travel (which is a joint DPRK/UK firm). Unfortunately, I think those tours were operated with the express blessing of the DPRK government, and with escalating international tensions, I don't think those tours will resume until the relax (also for security reasons).