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Old Mar 21, 2009 | 12:41 am
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Originally Posted by Thongy
Just wondering how many travelers use dual passports? As I am an Australian with an Australian Passport and can also obtain a Malaysian Passport as well. However the Malaysia does not allow people to hold dual passports. Wondering if there are any advantages to get a Malaysian passport and how to use it without getting caught out.
I have both Australian and British, because the British offers me significant work and travel benefits across the EU and that's the only reason to bother.
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Old Mar 21, 2009 | 1:33 am
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Originally Posted by Thongy
Just wondering how many travelers use dual passports? As I am an Australian with an Australian Passport and can also obtain a Malaysian Passport as well. However the Malaysia does not allow people to hold dual passports. Wondering if there are any advantages to get a Malaysian passport and how to use it without getting caught out.
I generally only use my US passport for entering and leaving the US; for every other trip, I use my UK passport.

Visa fees for UK passports at most embassies/high commissions in London are almost always cheaper for UK citizens than for US citizens, in my experience - at least for the countries to which I travel.
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Old Mar 21, 2009 | 4:07 am
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Thanks for the tips and advice guys. I'm born in Australia but dad is a Malaysian. I currently have Aussie Passport and a Malaysian ID Card but no Malaysian Passport. For me to travel to certain Asian cities requires a visa(s) and for Malaysian Passport no visa required. eg Vietnam. So I'm thinking if it's worth getting a Malaysian passport as well for this instance, how to use it without getting busted at the immigration as I would not want to surrender the Australian passport.

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Old Mar 21, 2009 | 9:13 am
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Originally Posted by Thongy
Thanks for the tips and advice guys. I'm born in Australia but dad is a Malaysian. I currently have Aussie Passport and a Malaysian ID Card but no Malaysian Passport. For me to travel to certain Asian cities requires a visa(s) and for Malaysian Passport no visa required. eg Vietnam. So I'm thinking if it's worth getting a Malaysian passport as well for this instance, how to use it without getting busted at the immigration as I would not want to surrender the Australian passport.

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There are two different concepts at work here which many people (erroneously) conflate.

You have Australian citizenship.

Your Australian citizenship entitles you to physically hold an Australian passport.

These are not the same thing.

You may be a citizen of Malaysia by birth, in which case you would be entitled to a Malaysian passport provided that Malaysia

In any case, any agent operating on behalf of the Malaysian government cannot force you to surrender your Australian passport to them; your Australian passport is actually the property of the Australian government and no one else's. The only thing the Malaysian government can do is force you to choose citizenships (either that of Malaysia or of some other country).

I'm not familiar with Malaysian citizenship law so I do not know if you are a citizen of Malaysia (being in possession of an ID card, it sounds like you might be). If so, you might run into problems if you apply for a Malaysian passport and you are discovered to be in possession of country's passport by virtue of your citizenship of that country.

Your best bet would be to find out if dual nationality (by birth) is permitted by Malaysia. If so, then you should be fine, and entitled to hold a Malaysian passport as a Malaysian citizen. If not, then as pointed out, you are not a Malaysian citizen and thus your ID card is invalid.
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Old Mar 21, 2009 | 11:08 am
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I'm dual US and Spain. I use my US passport for US/Canada, and my Spanish passport for the EU. Anywhere else, it depends on which one gets me a cheaper visa (if req.) and which country is hostile with which.
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Old Mar 21, 2009 | 11:43 am
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Originally Posted by ajax
There are two different concepts at work here which many people (erroneously) conflate.

You have Australian citizenship.

Your Australian citizenship entitles you to physically hold an Australian passport.

These are not the same thing.

You may be a citizen of Malaysia by birth, in which case you would be entitled to a Malaysian passport provided that Malaysia

In any case, any agent operating on behalf of the Malaysian government cannot force you to surrender your Australian passport to them; your Australian passport is actually the property of the Australian government and no one else's. The only thing the Malaysian government can do is force you to choose citizenships (either that of Malaysia or of some other country).

I'm not familiar with Malaysian citizenship law so I do not know if you are a citizen of Malaysia (being in possession of an ID card, it sounds like you might be). If so, you might run into problems if you apply for a Malaysian passport and you are discovered to be in possession of country's passport by virtue of your citizenship of that country.

Your best bet would be to find out if dual nationality (by birth) is permitted by Malaysia. If so, then you should be fine, and entitled to hold a Malaysian passport as a Malaysian citizen. If not, then as pointed out, you are not a Malaysian citizen and thus your ID card is invalid.
Malaysia has legal prohibition against dual citizenship.

http://www.asianpacificpost.com/port...p_laws.do.html

Dual Nationality: Malaysia does not recognize or permit dual nationality. If Malaysian authorities learn that an American citizen is also a citizen of Malaysia, they may require that the dual national either renounce United States citizenship immediately or forfeit Malaysian citizenship. Dual American/Malaysian citizens should consider this issue seriously before traveling to Malaysia.
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_p...s/cis_960.html
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Old Mar 21, 2009 | 12:01 pm
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I have both Venezuelan & Italian passport.I always travel with dual passports. I present my Venezuelan passport to leave/enter Venezuela. Then, when arriving to another country abroad,lets say the states.. i enter as Italian since i don't require a Visa. (Even if i have a Visa on my Venezuelan).

So far i haven't had any troubles.I enjoy having dual passports.It all depends on the situation,which passport you may use to your advantage. For example, the Venezuelan passport doesn't need a Visa to enter Russia.

Overall EU passport is EU passport.
Italian is the winner.

I also have the possibility to hold a third US passport in the future. Though, i believe you are only allowed 2?
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Old Mar 21, 2009 | 12:25 pm
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I have HK SAR and US passport. If I use US passport to enter another country(let's say London UK), and if I were got into trouble, I have to go to US embassy to seek help.... If I use HK SAR passport to enter London, I have to go to HK SAR embassy to seek help.

You can make your own choice :-)
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Old Mar 21, 2009 | 12:59 pm
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Originally Posted by mvtm
I also have the possibility to hold a third US passport in the future. Though, i believe you are only allowed 2?
No, that depends on the countries concerned, but virtually all countries that allow dual citizenship allow multiple citizenship. Some countries make a distinction, however, between citizenships acquired in different ways (e.g. at birth or by naturalisation), so it pays to make enquiries of the competent authorities.
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Old Mar 21, 2009 | 1:04 pm
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Originally Posted by eddielam
I have HK SAR and US passport. If I use US passport to enter another country(let's say London UK), and if I were got into trouble, I have to go to US embassy to seek help.... If I use HK SAR passport to enter London, I have to go to HK SAR embassy to seek help.
This can be a bit of a grey area. In fact, in normal circumstances it is unlikely that either of your countries of citizenship would refuse help. The country that you are in, however, might insist as regarding you solely as a citizen of the country that you presented yourself as being on entry and so (for example) deny officials of the other country consular access to you if you were in prison. (The country that you used in your example, however the UK would not normally do that.)

Note too that if you were simply seeking routine consular services from one of your countries of citizenship while you were abroad (e.g. to renew a passport), then the passport that you used to enter the country you are in is of no relevance whatsoever (assuming, of course, that both the passports are legally held and you are indeed a citizen of both the countries).
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Old Mar 21, 2009 | 5:08 pm
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
Malaysia has legal prohibition against dual citizenship.
Great. In that case, I guess our OP has to choose.
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Old Mar 21, 2009 | 5:12 pm
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Originally Posted by Christopher
This can be a bit of a grey area. In fact, in normal circumstances it is unlikely that either of your countries of citizenship would refuse help. The country that you are in, however, might insist as regarding you solely as a citizen of the country that you presented yourself as being on entry and so (for example) deny officials of the other country consular access to you if you were in prison. (The country that you used in your example, however the UK would not normally do that.)

Note too that if you were simply seeking routine consular services from one of your countries of citizenship while you were abroad (e.g. to renew a passport), then the passport that you used to enter the country you are in is of no relevance whatsoever (assuming, of course, that both the passports are legally held and you are indeed a citizen of both the countries).
Interestingly, when I went to the British Embassy in Kathmandu to register myself for consular knowledge, the little screen where I typed up my details said something funny like "If you are a citizen of another country, then the UK will not look after you while you are abroad." In typical British fashion, it was maddeningly vague. Did that mean that if I'm a citizen of the UK and Paraguay, even though I enter Nepal on my UK passport, that I have to depend on Paraguay to rescue me? Or did it mean that I'm not protected by the UK only if I'm in the country of which I am also a citizen (which is true and is stated in the UK passport)? Annoying. And TBH I'd rather have the US rescue me than the UK any day.
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Old Mar 22, 2009 | 2:02 am
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Originally Posted by ajax
Interestingly, when I went to the British Embassy in Kathmandu to register myself for consular knowledge, the little screen where I typed up my details said something funny like "If you are a citizen of another country, then the UK will not look after you while you are abroad." In typical British fashion, it was maddeningly vague. Did that mean that if I'm a citizen of the UK and Paraguay, even though I enter Nepal on my UK passport, that I have to depend on Paraguay to rescue me? Or did it mean that I'm not protected by the UK only if I'm in the country of which I am also a citizen (which is true and is stated in the UK passport)? Annoying. And TBH I'd rather have the US rescue me than the UK any day.
No, that's only half the story. According to the UK Border Agency's page on dual nationality, regarding consular assistance:
Under international law, we [i.e. the British authorities in the country in question] cannot give you diplomatic help if you are in a country of which you are a national. For example, if you hold both British and Chinese nationality we would be unable to give you diplomatic help when you are visiting China.
Even that can be a grey area too, since sometimes unofficial assistance is able to be given (although such a relaxed situation would almost certainly not arise in the case of China!).

But if you are a citizen of both the UK and Paraguay and find yourself in need of consular assistance in Nepal, that issue does not arise, of course.
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Old Mar 22, 2009 | 2:41 am
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Originally Posted by Christopher
No, that's only half the story. According to the UK Border Agency's page on dual nationality, regarding consular assistance:


Even that can be a grey area too, since sometimes unofficial assistance is able to be given (although such a relaxed situation would almost certainly not arise in the case of China!).

But if you are a citizen of both the UK and Paraguay and find yourself in need of consular assistance in Nepal, that issue does not arise, of course.
Yes, that's what I thought. And that's more or less what it directly says in the UK passport. I just thought it was very poorly worded on this little web-page thingy that I registered my details on. It seemed to say that I wouldn't be covered by the UK if I were a citizen of any other country. That sounded wrong to me.
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Old Mar 22, 2009 | 3:18 am
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Yes, that's what I thought. And that's more or less what it directly says in the UK passport. I just thought it was very poorly worded on this little web-page thingy that I registered my details on. It seemed to say that I wouldn't be covered by the UK if I were a citizen of any other country. That sounded wrong to me.
Information given out by British missions abroad, the Home Office telephone helplines, and even official websites about nationality matters (in particular) can be lamentably poor. It always pays to double check, if you can, sadly.
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