Flying Etiquette
#16

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#17


Join Date: Apr 2008
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4) The person next to you (behind you, infront of you) is playing their music so loud you can hear it through their headphones...[/QUOTE]
Better this than singing. Have had that happen on more than one occasion now.
I find much more annoying the obtuse "I know you want to talk to me" people. If I want to talk to you, I'll let you know the first time you say something. The fact that I keep turning my head away, have my earbuds in, and do everything but smack you with my wedding ring should say something.
But then, it usually isn't the ff's that do this, but the occasional traveler.
Read another forum on "do not disturb" signs. Maybe I'll snag one from my upcoming trip and wear it should anyone obnoxious sits by me.
Better this than singing. Have had that happen on more than one occasion now.
I find much more annoying the obtuse "I know you want to talk to me" people. If I want to talk to you, I'll let you know the first time you say something. The fact that I keep turning my head away, have my earbuds in, and do everything but smack you with my wedding ring should say something.
But then, it usually isn't the ff's that do this, but the occasional traveler.
Read another forum on "do not disturb" signs. Maybe I'll snag one from my upcoming trip and wear it should anyone obnoxious sits by me.
#18


Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Pacific Northwest
Posts: 330
1 - Wake them up and let them know they're snoring loudly. If you're not comfortable with that just tell me, I do it all the time! "Sir, I'm so sorry to wake you but I wanted you to know that you're snoring very loudly. Is there anything i can do to help you sleep more soundly?"
2- If I'm sitting in a window seat I always at the very least say hello to my seatmates and then "If I have to get up to the restroom I may have to wake you up, I hope that's okay." I have never been met with any sort of attitude. People usually understand and if you bring it up right away then it's out of the way and they know to expect it.
3- If you want it order it! Now, don't go ordering something on final descent, there is an appropriate time to expect service and we all should know what those are. However it should NEVER be a pax concern about things like wasting a bottle of wine.
**That being said I hope people don't push issues like this on purpose just to "test the system" even in customer service there is such a think as common courtesy ie if you ALWAYS request a can and never finish it... then maybe you shouldn't be requesting a can.**
4- As a FA I'm always on the lookout for things like this. Same thing with people watching DVD's without headphones. I always politely ask to turn it down and if it's a fun group of pax then when I make the 10K PED announcement I'll say something like, "Remember not everyone bought a ticket to your concert or movie so please enjoy them quietly without disturbing those seated around you." People are usually more than willing to comply.
So much of this goes back to common courtesy and respect (which sadly our society seems to have lost). It seems people don't care about anyone but themselves, it's ALLL about ME ME ME and screw everyone else and WHAT am I owed and WHERE was I wronged and WHO get the blame. Maybe instead of economic stimulus checks we should have all received a packet of starter pills to alleviate the uptightness.
Happy Flying!
2- If I'm sitting in a window seat I always at the very least say hello to my seatmates and then "If I have to get up to the restroom I may have to wake you up, I hope that's okay." I have never been met with any sort of attitude. People usually understand and if you bring it up right away then it's out of the way and they know to expect it.
3- If you want it order it! Now, don't go ordering something on final descent, there is an appropriate time to expect service and we all should know what those are. However it should NEVER be a pax concern about things like wasting a bottle of wine.
**That being said I hope people don't push issues like this on purpose just to "test the system" even in customer service there is such a think as common courtesy ie if you ALWAYS request a can and never finish it... then maybe you shouldn't be requesting a can.**
4- As a FA I'm always on the lookout for things like this. Same thing with people watching DVD's without headphones. I always politely ask to turn it down and if it's a fun group of pax then when I make the 10K PED announcement I'll say something like, "Remember not everyone bought a ticket to your concert or movie so please enjoy them quietly without disturbing those seated around you." People are usually more than willing to comply.
So much of this goes back to common courtesy and respect (which sadly our society seems to have lost). It seems people don't care about anyone but themselves, it's ALLL about ME ME ME and screw everyone else and WHAT am I owed and WHERE was I wronged and WHO get the blame. Maybe instead of economic stimulus checks we should have all received a packet of starter pills to alleviate the uptightness.
Happy Flying!
#19




Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: RTM
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Ok, to have a little fun, and because some of this stuff keeps me up at night (
), I thought I'd throw a few situations out here and see what the "polite" thing to do is.
Most flyers know the basic etiquette rules such as boarding when your zone is called, and allowing the airplane to deplane starting with the people in front of you....ok, maybe not "most flyers" but certainly everyone here
But what about some other situations what should you do when:
1) The (very) loud snorer is near you - either on a short flight or a long one - but especially on a flight where one normally doesn't sleep (not a redeye for example)...
2) you have a window seat and you need to go to the bathroom and the person next to you is asleep and /or the 1, 2, or 3 people in front of you have their seat reclined (note, even in first class, this makes getting up pretty impossible)...
3) You order a (another) glass of wine about 40 minutes before landing. The flight attendant would have to open a fresh bottle just to accommodate you...
4) The person next to you (behind you, infront of you) is playing their music so loud you can hear it through their headphones...
), I thought I'd throw a few situations out here and see what the "polite" thing to do is.Most flyers know the basic etiquette rules such as boarding when your zone is called, and allowing the airplane to deplane starting with the people in front of you....ok, maybe not "most flyers" but certainly everyone here

But what about some other situations what should you do when:
1) The (very) loud snorer is near you - either on a short flight or a long one - but especially on a flight where one normally doesn't sleep (not a redeye for example)...
2) you have a window seat and you need to go to the bathroom and the person next to you is asleep and /or the 1, 2, or 3 people in front of you have their seat reclined (note, even in first class, this makes getting up pretty impossible)...
3) You order a (another) glass of wine about 40 minutes before landing. The flight attendant would have to open a fresh bottle just to accommodate you...
4) The person next to you (behind you, infront of you) is playing their music so loud you can hear it through their headphones...
Or, as my friends did on holiday.. put a peg on his nose.. soon solves the problem!!
2) Wake them up.. better than pissing your pants.
3) Well.. if you are in coah you get personal bottles. If in C, F you paid for it so they can just get on with cracking open the bottle..
However, remember that those unlucky enough to be in the third-wor.. um.. cabin could only dream of nice wine, so you have a duty not to waste a drop.. so get quaffing!!
4) Put your noise cancelling headphones on (see above)... if not.. start dancing to the music.. he'll soon get the picture!
#20




Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Georgia
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Wow, your etiquette questions are rather tame and it's obvious that you care about truly doing the right thing. So let's amp it up a little and have some real fun!
What do you do when:
A) the kid behind you kicks your seat during the entire flight and, when you appeal to the parent, are met with a helpless shrug?
B) The person behind you is playing Space Invaders with the AVOD unit mounted in the back of your seat, and you feel like he's poking the back of your head instead of the screen?
C) You're extremely gassy and the seat belt sign's been on for the last 2 hours?
D) The person next to you (or you) has a cold and has to blow his/your nose every 5 minutes?
E) You're in the center seat and the aisle passenger is chatty with the window passenger?
F) You can smell the diaper of the baby in the next row?
G) There's a drunken party going on during your red-eye with the 50 people traveling together in rows 15-23?
H) You're in a bulkhead seat and there's no overhead storage left?
What do you do when:
A) the kid behind you kicks your seat during the entire flight and, when you appeal to the parent, are met with a helpless shrug?
B) The person behind you is playing Space Invaders with the AVOD unit mounted in the back of your seat, and you feel like he's poking the back of your head instead of the screen?
C) You're extremely gassy and the seat belt sign's been on for the last 2 hours?
D) The person next to you (or you) has a cold and has to blow his/your nose every 5 minutes?
E) You're in the center seat and the aisle passenger is chatty with the window passenger?
F) You can smell the diaper of the baby in the next row?
G) There's a drunken party going on during your red-eye with the 50 people traveling together in rows 15-23?
H) You're in a bulkhead seat and there's no overhead storage left?
#21


Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Pacific Northwest
Posts: 330
"Encourage the victim (as it's in the Emergency First-Aid Chapter) to pass the gas. Do not encourage them to hold it in."
#23
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Wow, your etiquette questions are rather tame and it's obvious that you care about truly doing the right thing. So let's amp it up a little and have some real fun!
What do you do when:
A) the kid behind you kicks your seat during the entire flight and, when you appeal to the parent, are met with a helpless shrug?
What do you do when:
A) the kid behind you kicks your seat during the entire flight and, when you appeal to the parent, are met with a helpless shrug?
B) The person behind you is playing Space Invaders with the AVOD unit mounted in the back of your seat, and you feel like he's poking the back of your head instead of the screen?
C) You're extremely gassy and the seat belt sign's been on for the last 2 hours?
D) The person next to you (or you) has a cold and has to blow his/your nose every 5 minutes?
E) You're in the center seat and the aisle passenger is chatty with the window passenger?
F) You can smell the diaper of the baby in the next row?
G) There's a drunken party going on during your red-eye with the 50 people traveling together in rows 15-23?
H) You're in a bulkhead seat and there's no overhead storage left?
#24
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: MSY
Programs: NW Gold and now Delta Gold
Posts: 3,072
OK, I'll play. I wonder how far off I am from the norm....
1) Guy snoring in daytime. This is my problem how exactly? I'll leave it to somebody else to let him know he snores. So not my problem...
2) When you gotta go, you gotta go. I go. Sorry. I already know I have a walnut sized bladder and I do my best to request the aisle. But when I do have a window, thanks to the cruel caprice of fate, see under "when you gotta go, you gotta go." On the other side of this, I am always surprised when window seats profusely apologize to me for having to perform a basic human function. It's OK. You don't have to explain. I've been there. You're cool. I get no pleasure out of you sitting there suffering and twitching in silence, believe you me. I fully understand that at some point the price of having the aisle seat is being willing to let the window and middles out to do their business.
3.) And that's my problem how exactly?
4.) Again, that's my problem how? I am not their mother or their audiologist.
1) Guy snoring in daytime. This is my problem how exactly? I'll leave it to somebody else to let him know he snores. So not my problem...
2) When you gotta go, you gotta go. I go. Sorry. I already know I have a walnut sized bladder and I do my best to request the aisle. But when I do have a window, thanks to the cruel caprice of fate, see under "when you gotta go, you gotta go." On the other side of this, I am always surprised when window seats profusely apologize to me for having to perform a basic human function. It's OK. You don't have to explain. I've been there. You're cool. I get no pleasure out of you sitting there suffering and twitching in silence, believe you me. I fully understand that at some point the price of having the aisle seat is being willing to let the window and middles out to do their business.
3.) And that's my problem how exactly?
4.) Again, that's my problem how? I am not their mother or their audiologist.
Ok, to have a little fun, and because some of this stuff keeps me up at night (
), I thought I'd throw a few situations out here and see what the "polite" thing to do is.
Most flyers know the basic etiquette rules such as boarding when your zone is called, and allowing the airplane to deplane starting with the people in front of you....ok, maybe not "most flyers" but certainly everyone here
But what about some other situations what should you do when:
1) The (very) loud snorer is near you - either on a short flight or a long one - but especially on a flight where one normally doesn't sleep (not a redeye for example)...
2) you have a window seat and you need to go to the bathroom and the person next to you is asleep and /or the 1, 2, or 3 people in front of you have their seat reclined (note, even in first class, this makes getting up pretty impossible)...
3) You order a (another) glass of wine about 40 minutes before landing. The flight attendant would have to open a fresh bottle just to accommodate you...
4) The person next to you (behind you, infront of you) is playing their music so loud you can hear it through their headphones...
), I thought I'd throw a few situations out here and see what the "polite" thing to do is.Most flyers know the basic etiquette rules such as boarding when your zone is called, and allowing the airplane to deplane starting with the people in front of you....ok, maybe not "most flyers" but certainly everyone here

But what about some other situations what should you do when:
1) The (very) loud snorer is near you - either on a short flight or a long one - but especially on a flight where one normally doesn't sleep (not a redeye for example)...
2) you have a window seat and you need to go to the bathroom and the person next to you is asleep and /or the 1, 2, or 3 people in front of you have their seat reclined (note, even in first class, this makes getting up pretty impossible)...
3) You order a (another) glass of wine about 40 minutes before landing. The flight attendant would have to open a fresh bottle just to accommodate you...
4) The person next to you (behind you, infront of you) is playing their music so loud you can hear it through their headphones...
#25
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: MSY
Programs: NW Gold and now Delta Gold
Posts: 3,072
Your questions are a little tougher. We're getting to the advanced stuff now, I guess.
A) I don't discuss with parents and/or kids. I call the FA and let staff deal with it.
B) Never had this happen. I guess I would call the FA. Does anyone really play those games?
C) I'm afraid I get up and "go" anyway. I've only been yelled at once. Most times, the staff understands.
D) I never say anything. I guess I just assume they have allergies and being an allergy person myself I know how awkward they must feel. If you have a cold once a year you can stay home. But if you have allergies you have to go on living your life because it's pretty much permanent. I'm so glad that [brand name that starts with a C] works for me even in the very dry cabin environment.
E) I usually try to be polite and pretend I'm not eavesdropping, but having lived in Louisiana so long, sometimes I can't resist putting in my two cents if the discussion is really interesting.
F) I have a poor sense of smell and can't recall this ever happening. I suppose I would tell the FA if someone else didn't do it first.
G) I know this has happened and can't recall what I did but that probably means that I was happy to join in and down a couple of unnecessary Jack and cokes myself.
H) I ask the FA what to do about my bag and at least once this meant I had to remove all valuables and gate-check the bag. Have a small bag for the cameras etc. that are not allowed to be checked baggage so that the FA can put it in their closet. They'll work with you on this.
Did I pass?????
A) I don't discuss with parents and/or kids. I call the FA and let staff deal with it.
B) Never had this happen. I guess I would call the FA. Does anyone really play those games?
C) I'm afraid I get up and "go" anyway. I've only been yelled at once. Most times, the staff understands.
D) I never say anything. I guess I just assume they have allergies and being an allergy person myself I know how awkward they must feel. If you have a cold once a year you can stay home. But if you have allergies you have to go on living your life because it's pretty much permanent. I'm so glad that [brand name that starts with a C] works for me even in the very dry cabin environment.
E) I usually try to be polite and pretend I'm not eavesdropping, but having lived in Louisiana so long, sometimes I can't resist putting in my two cents if the discussion is really interesting.
F) I have a poor sense of smell and can't recall this ever happening. I suppose I would tell the FA if someone else didn't do it first.
G) I know this has happened and can't recall what I did but that probably means that I was happy to join in and down a couple of unnecessary Jack and cokes myself.
H) I ask the FA what to do about my bag and at least once this meant I had to remove all valuables and gate-check the bag. Have a small bag for the cameras etc. that are not allowed to be checked baggage so that the FA can put it in their closet. They'll work with you on this.
Did I pass?????

Wow, your etiquette questions are rather tame and it's obvious that you care about truly doing the right thing. So let's amp it up a little and have some real fun!
What do you do when:
A) the kid behind you kicks your seat during the entire flight and, when you appeal to the parent, are met with a helpless shrug?
B) The person behind you is playing Space Invaders with the AVOD unit mounted in the back of your seat, and you feel like he's poking the back of your head instead of the screen?
C) You're extremely gassy and the seat belt sign's been on for the last 2 hours?
D) The person next to you (or you) has a cold and has to blow his/your nose every 5 minutes?
E) You're in the center seat and the aisle passenger is chatty with the window passenger?
F) You can smell the diaper of the baby in the next row?
G) There's a drunken party going on during your red-eye with the 50 people traveling together in rows 15-23?
H) You're in a bulkhead seat and there's no overhead storage left?
What do you do when:
A) the kid behind you kicks your seat during the entire flight and, when you appeal to the parent, are met with a helpless shrug?
B) The person behind you is playing Space Invaders with the AVOD unit mounted in the back of your seat, and you feel like he's poking the back of your head instead of the screen?
C) You're extremely gassy and the seat belt sign's been on for the last 2 hours?
D) The person next to you (or you) has a cold and has to blow his/your nose every 5 minutes?
E) You're in the center seat and the aisle passenger is chatty with the window passenger?
F) You can smell the diaper of the baby in the next row?
G) There's a drunken party going on during your red-eye with the 50 people traveling together in rows 15-23?
H) You're in a bulkhead seat and there's no overhead storage left?
#26
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 1
How about the people who let their 12-15 year old children, have their laptops out and play music "loudly" for that matter (loudly meaning you can hear it from row 4 to row 20) with no headphones on just streaming. Absolutely, ridiculous.
#27
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: ORD
Programs: Mileage Plus Dirt, Wyndham Rewards
Posts: 316
I cannot imagine this happening.
Little girl once had a diaper so foul on a plane that *I* needed to change my pants (she was on my lap). My sense of smell isn't the sharpest, but for her comfort--and my desire not to deal with diaper rash--I'd change a bad diaper as soon as feasible. If someone is letting their kid sit in their own stink like that, I can't imagine what's going on at home.
Likely I'd not say anything and let the parent deal with the unpleasant consequences later. Airplane bathrooms are small, but you can change a diaper in them.
Little girl once had a diaper so foul on a plane that *I* needed to change my pants (she was on my lap). My sense of smell isn't the sharpest, but for her comfort--and my desire not to deal with diaper rash--I'd change a bad diaper as soon as feasible. If someone is letting their kid sit in their own stink like that, I can't imagine what's going on at home.
Likely I'd not say anything and let the parent deal with the unpleasant consequences later. Airplane bathrooms are small, but you can change a diaper in them.
#28

Join Date: Jan 2007
Programs: CO
Posts: 238
1) The (very) loud snorer is near you - either on a short flight or a long one - but especially on a flight where one normally doesn't sleep (not a redeye for example)...
My husband snores, so I'm probably nudging the snorer to get him to shift position if he's the one. Otherwise, it really isn't the fault of the person snoring, and I'd just put on my headset and turn up the volume.
2) you have a window seat and you need to go to the bathroom and the person next to you is asleep and /or the 1, 2, or 3 people in front of you have their seat reclined (note, even in first class, this makes getting up pretty impossible)...
Sorry, the people have to wake up and move. With age often comes the fun of blood pressure medication, and that leads to getting up often. I try to fly in a seat where I won't bother others.
3) You order a (another) glass of wine about 40 minutes before landing. The flight attendant would have to open a fresh bottle just to accommodate you...
I smile and thank him or her for opening it.
4) The person next to you (behind you, infront of you) is playing their music so loud you can hear it through their headphones...
If it can be heard through my headphones, then I'll probably ask the flight attendant to get them to turn it down.
My husband snores, so I'm probably nudging the snorer to get him to shift position if he's the one. Otherwise, it really isn't the fault of the person snoring, and I'd just put on my headset and turn up the volume.
2) you have a window seat and you need to go to the bathroom and the person next to you is asleep and /or the 1, 2, or 3 people in front of you have their seat reclined (note, even in first class, this makes getting up pretty impossible)...
Sorry, the people have to wake up and move. With age often comes the fun of blood pressure medication, and that leads to getting up often. I try to fly in a seat where I won't bother others.
3) You order a (another) glass of wine about 40 minutes before landing. The flight attendant would have to open a fresh bottle just to accommodate you...
I smile and thank him or her for opening it.
4) The person next to you (behind you, infront of you) is playing their music so loud you can hear it through their headphones...
If it can be heard through my headphones, then I'll probably ask the flight attendant to get them to turn it down.
#29

Join Date: Jan 2007
Programs: CO
Posts: 238
A) the kid behind you kicks your seat during the entire flight and, when you appeal to the parent, are met with a helpless shrug?
On a shorter flight, I'll probably play peek-a-boo through the seat backs. Most kids will go to sleep eventually on a longer flight. I've never run into one so bad that I had to go to the flight attendant.
B) The person behind you is playing Space Invaders with the AVOD unit mounted in the back of your seat, and you feel like he's poking the back of your head instead of the screen?
Tough question. I play a mean video game for an old lady, and would probably just ask if he could poke the screen with a little less force. But when adrenaline rush gets going, well, I have sympathy.
C) You're extremely gassy and the seat belt sign's been on for the last 2 hours?
Unless it's really bad turbulence, the fa usually understands when someone has to get up. But a blanket tucked securely all around makes it difficult for people to assign blame easily.
D) The person next to you (or you) has a cold and has to blow his/your nose every 5 minutes?
Someone else suggested allergies, and I would just assume that was the cause to keep from going germ-phobic nuts.
E) You're in the center seat and the aisle passenger is chatty with the window passenger?
Ask if either wants to switch? Or join the conversation. Hey, if you're talking across me, you're going to include me!
F) You can smell the diaper of the baby in the next row?
Call the fa. Hope the parent has a clean one to TAKE INTO THE LAV to change the child.
G) There's a drunken party going on during your red-eye with the 50 people traveling together in rows 15-23?
Call the fa. Sorry, there's no reason to get so loud. As has been stated by many others here, it's public transportation, and if someone doesn't like accommodating to others, they should arrange a private jet.
H) You're in a bulkhead seat and there's no overhead storage left?
Quite often, there's plenty of room where infrequent fliers have put their smallest belongings spread out. Ask the fa, or gate-check what I'm carrying.
On a shorter flight, I'll probably play peek-a-boo through the seat backs. Most kids will go to sleep eventually on a longer flight. I've never run into one so bad that I had to go to the flight attendant.
B) The person behind you is playing Space Invaders with the AVOD unit mounted in the back of your seat, and you feel like he's poking the back of your head instead of the screen?
Tough question. I play a mean video game for an old lady, and would probably just ask if he could poke the screen with a little less force. But when adrenaline rush gets going, well, I have sympathy.
C) You're extremely gassy and the seat belt sign's been on for the last 2 hours?
Unless it's really bad turbulence, the fa usually understands when someone has to get up. But a blanket tucked securely all around makes it difficult for people to assign blame easily.
D) The person next to you (or you) has a cold and has to blow his/your nose every 5 minutes?
Someone else suggested allergies, and I would just assume that was the cause to keep from going germ-phobic nuts.
E) You're in the center seat and the aisle passenger is chatty with the window passenger?
Ask if either wants to switch? Or join the conversation. Hey, if you're talking across me, you're going to include me!
F) You can smell the diaper of the baby in the next row?
Call the fa. Hope the parent has a clean one to TAKE INTO THE LAV to change the child.
G) There's a drunken party going on during your red-eye with the 50 people traveling together in rows 15-23?
Call the fa. Sorry, there's no reason to get so loud. As has been stated by many others here, it's public transportation, and if someone doesn't like accommodating to others, they should arrange a private jet.
H) You're in a bulkhead seat and there's no overhead storage left?
Quite often, there's plenty of room where infrequent fliers have put their smallest belongings spread out. Ask the fa, or gate-check what I'm carrying.

