Go Back  FlyerTalk Forums > Travel&Dining > TravelBuzz
Reload this Page >

Why the 2 Piece Luggage rule for the Americas?

Community
Wiki Posts
Search

Why the 2 Piece Luggage rule for the Americas?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Oct 21, 2007, 8:13 pm
  #16  
Suspended
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Programs: US CP, CO PE, AirTran Elite, HHonors Diamond, Marriott Platinum, Priority Club Gold
Posts: 90
Originally Posted by SanDiego1K
US airlines have traditionally allowed 2 pieces of checked luggage, now capped at 50 pounds each. (I'm ignoring additional allowances allowed for those with elite status.) That's 100 pounds, even if flying coach. If a European carrier limited luggage on a US flight to 20kgs or 44 lbs, it would be at a significant competitive disadvantage to a US carrier.
How would it be a disadvantage to the US carrier? In the situation you mention, the US carrier offers a higher limit and that would give them the competitive advantage.
ITravelWayTooMuch is offline  
Old Oct 21, 2007, 8:57 pm
  #17  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Nov 1999
Programs: FB Silver going for Gold
Posts: 21,805
I don't know if the following is true or not:

Philip Djaferis, senior manager government relations and tariff services at International Air Transport Association in Geneva, says: "U.S. airlines pushed for the piece system with the introduction of the wide-body 747s and DC10a in the early 1970s because it's so much more efficient and faster to handle masses of passengers if you don't have to weigh every bag. I think they were rather hasty and subsequently regretted it. But now the piece system is established as a consumer benefit, the Department of Transportation is loath to allow carriers to go back to the weight system."
http://www.iht.com/articles/2000/05/05/trqa.t.php
YVR Cockroach is online now  
Old Oct 21, 2007, 9:36 pm
  #18  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Melbourne
Programs: ►QFWP/LTG►VA WP►HyattExpl.►HiltonGold►ALL Silver
Posts: 21,994
Originally Posted by YVR Cockroach
I don't know if the following is true or not: ... http://www.iht.com/articles/2000/05/05/trqa.t.php
Thankyou, that's along the lines of what I am looking for.

I've been trying to research this myself and keep drawing blanks as to the actual reason.

If it's a regulation, it would be great to have a link to it.

I guess this is the sort of thing that goes along the lines of:

Q. Why is it done like that?

A. Because that is the way it's supposed to happen!

Q. Why is that the way it's supposed to happen?

A. Because that's simply the way it's done!
serfty is offline  
Old Oct 22, 2007, 1:46 am
  #19  
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 1,919
Let us not forget Air cargo is a very important part of EU and far eastern airlines. I bet if they need the space for paying cargo they will convieniently forget to load a container or 2 of luggage.....
moeve is offline  
Old Oct 22, 2007, 6:44 pm
  #20  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Sunny SYDNEY!
Programs: UA Million Miler. (1.9M) Virgin Platinum. HH Diamond + SPG Gold
Posts: 32,330
Originally Posted by alanR
But how many people (apart from Americans) holiday with 100lbs of gear unless they are doing something specialist?
Me.

We routinely check 6 large pieces of baggage to the USA using 1K allowance, as we did this month SYD to DEN:

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s...s/1tunboox.jpg

Usually 4 large boxes and 2 suitcases. I have FedEx collect them from first airport hotel, and let UA pay for 280 pounds of overnight air shipping SYD-DEN, which otherwise runs to near my ticket cost.

And do the reverse on way home.
ozstamps is offline  
Old Oct 22, 2007, 8:53 pm
  #21  
Suspended
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 747
Originally Posted by ozstamps
Me.

We routinely check 6 large pieces of baggage to the USA using 1K allowance, as we did this month SYD to DEN:

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s...s/1tunboox.jpg

Usually 4 large boxes and 2 suitcases. I have FedEx collect them from first airport hotel, and let UA pay for 280 pounds of overnight air shipping SYD-DEN, which otherwise runs to near my ticket cost.

And do the reverse on way home.
you seem to be the expert at getting things for free no wonder we all pay so much for our tickets
ionlyflyupfront is offline  
Old Oct 23, 2007, 12:21 am
  #22  
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: OOL Australia
Programs: QFF (Gold), Skywards, Rapid Rewards,United, Velocity, Hilton Silver
Posts: 2,440
Originally Posted by grouse
Not everywhere else in the world. In the UK we still use pints and miles.
I notice in Arizona they are trialling Kilometres on some roads
Lonely Flyer is offline  
Old Oct 23, 2007, 12:29 am
  #23  
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Pennsylvania
Programs: AA Platinum Pro, AC *S, Marriott Gold Elite, Hyatt Explorist
Posts: 9,689
Originally Posted by PhlyingRPh
Such an innocent statement it's almost dare I say... cute.

To get you started, I invite you to watch Philipino, Nigerian, Pakistani and Indian ex-pats standing in a check-in queue the next time you are at an airport. These groups are the experts bar none at pushing the former 70 lbs / 2 pc rules and not paying excess baggage charges.
In Karachi this past summer, a sweet old lady had five suitcases (travelling in Y to DXB so 20K allowance) the heaviest of which was 54kg (). She missed the flight because she came with only 5 minutes to spare and they couldn't process excess baggage that fast. I kinda felt bad for her seeing as how I myself had three 32kg suitcases courtesy of EK's North-American Business Class baggage allowance.

cheers,
sadiqhassan is offline  
Old Oct 23, 2007, 12:16 pm
  #24  
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Wild Wiltshire
Programs: Demoted to gold, Cats protection
Posts: 3,455
I dont think it was meant as a pot shot at Americans!
they arent the only ones who take 100lbs of luggage by any means but they have good reason to on some occasions
1. everything in Europe must seem very expensive,toiletries/clothes etc
2. they can fit several huge suitcases in the trunk of their cars
3. they need the capacity to bring back some good chocolate
For me its great, you can go over with one case between 3 buy the camping gear in the US and bring it back with you at the end of the vacation, its still camping weather here in NJ in October this year, I didnt bring the mosquito spray but I should have crammed it in the luggage as I only made 17kg in one case out of the 3 I am allowed
pinkcat is offline  
Old Oct 25, 2007, 2:45 pm
  #25  
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Beacon Falls, CT, USA
Posts: 1,609
I don't think I've ever travelled with more than one checkin bag and one carryon, plus my purse. Of course, with the institution of the one-carryon rule for UK travel, that will be shifted around a bit - my purse will fit into my carryon

I do take a lot in my carryon - video camera, regular camera, all the addons and cords, etc. But I really don't want to carry all that checked luggage from place to place at my destination - from the airport, to each B&B, etc. So I consolidate as much as I can. 7 outfits (wear one), two pairs of shoes (wear one), underwear and a jacket (wear it), and toiletries. That should do it!
Green Dragon is offline  
Old Oct 25, 2007, 2:49 pm
  #26  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Nov 1999
Programs: FB Silver going for Gold
Posts: 21,805
Originally Posted by Lonely Flyer
I notice in Arizona they are trialling Kilometres on some roads
I think that's the highway from Tucson to the Mexican border? It's only on that route for the Mexican traffic, reportedly.
YVR Cockroach is online now  
Old Oct 25, 2007, 3:03 pm
  #27  
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: MNL
Programs: NW (ex-GE), SQ, PR, KE, OZ
Posts: 7
Talking Filipinos & their heavy bags & boxes

Originally Posted by PhlyingRPh
To get you started, I invite you to watch Philipino, Nigerian, Pakistani and Indian ex-pats standing in a check-in queue the next time you are at an airport. These groups are the experts bar none at pushing the former 70 lbs / 2 pc rules and not paying excess baggage charges.
Hahaha! I'm a Filipino-American currently living in Manila. I just had to laugh outloud when I read this. It is so true.

Pre-9/11 the joke among the Fil-Am community was that you could tell Filipinos from other Asians at the airport curb due to the fact that they were the ones with the big "balikbayan" boxes.

For Filipinos living abroad, coming home to the Philippines with boxes/bags full of "pasalubong" (gifts) to give out to friends and relatives was a sign that "you've made it in America". Perhaps that's why Northwest has a 70lb per bag limit to/from the Philippines instead of the regular 50lbs.

On a related note, I'll be guilty of flying with 2 70lb suitcases (okay 70 & 72 - they have never weighed bags at MNL (NAIA Terminal 1) in all my years flying) and a 35lb roll-on and my laptop. But this is due to the fact that my years living in MNL are coming to an end and am taking this opportunity to trans-ship my stuff back to NYC without using freight. Nominally I'm heading to NYC for my cousin's wedding though.
RafC is offline  
Old Oct 26, 2007, 10:59 am
  #28  
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Programs: UALifetimePremierGold, Marriott LifetimeTitanium
Posts: 71,113
Originally Posted by ITravelWayTooMuch
How would it be a disadvantage to the US carrier? In the situation you mention, the US carrier offers a higher limit and that would give them the competitive advantage.
She mentioned that the non-American airline would be at a competitive disadvantage if they didn't match the US airlines on flights to/from US re: baggage. You missed a word in her quote.

Cheers.
SkiAdcock is offline  
Old Oct 26, 2007, 3:58 pm
  #29  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Melbourne
Programs: ►QFWP/LTG►VA WP►HyattExpl.►HiltonGold►ALL Silver
Posts: 21,994
Thanks for all the replies.

So is this regulation of the carriers or policy of individual carriers?

There are variances e.g. Qantas refer to "Itinerary" where the USA flights can be on a separate booking/PNR to one's Qantas flights, while other carriers seem to imply the USA flights need to be on the one PNR (Generally without indicating as such).
serfty is offline  
Old Oct 27, 2007, 12:53 am
  #30  
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: BHD/DUB
Programs: BA Gold, TK*G, EI Elite
Posts: 7,622
I don't think it's a regulation per se, just that it's the USA industry standard.

It's always been my understanding that if a PNR included US flights that a higher allowance applies to the whole itinerary.

Didn't know about QF, but I know Aer Lingus has something similar, in that if fly them transatlantic, any EI flight two weeks prior/post will allow the higher limit on a seperate tickets. Just show them your transatlantic e-ticket.

Last edited by FlyingOnceMore; Oct 27, 2007 at 2:02 am Reason: Morning spelling !
FlyingOnceMore is offline  


Contact Us - Manage Preferences - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

This site is owned, operated, and maintained by MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Designated trademarks are the property of their respective owners.