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Old Dec 15, 2006 | 2:45 pm
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Originally Posted by greenery
Have you ever been so close to landing and then the pilot aborted and then quickly went back in the air? Pilots, how would you know if it could be done safely and how is it communicated so quickly between the flight crew?
Many many many many times on the CO Island Hopper Flights, too many to count. Some into landing and then a rapid take off, some touching ground then taking off, some touching ground and rolling then taking off (those are the most exciting). The pilots know where they have to be in line and at what speed to meet the landings on these short runways as if they over shoot it they are in the drink so they sure aren't going to take a chance, if there is a slightest chance that they won't meet the safety stops then they won't even attempt it and take off. Plus if the wind shifts or if there are updrafts or whatever (I'm no pilot here just what I've been told) then they abort as well. And a few times aborted take offs as well and an aborted take off is more scary to me then an aborted landing. And I'm a xanax flyer Maybe it's that I've done it so many times that it doesn't bother me and the crews that fly the island hopper are usually the same ones (different groups but you see the same ones all the time) so I know they are not going to land unless they are assured of pax safety and if they have to abort then they will. If I don't fly this flight all the time and if I was in a different airport then yes I would probably be more afraid, but the pilots here get right on intercom and tell the folks what's going on. Plus I kind of think the touch and goes out here rather fun. Really shows you what the planes CAN DO if they have to.
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Old Dec 15, 2006 | 2:52 pm
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My first arrival aboard an aircraft carrier by "COD", the Carrier Onboard Delivery" C1A, 1962, "Hook Skip!, Bolter, Bolter, Bolter...."

You get used to, and up until 1990 or so, many commercial airline pilots were exUSN carrier pilots, a profession in which "go-rounds" are common.
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Old Dec 15, 2006 | 3:12 pm
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I had an aborted take off this summer in DSM as a thunderstorm was approaching. Began take off roll as usual, but pilot immediately powered down but continued to roll down the runway at what I would call a fast taxi rate (far from take off speed). We got to the end of the runway, braked, turned around and stopped. Pilot then tells us that the winds had just shifted 180 degrees due to the approaching storm and we would have to take off in the opposite direction. We then proceeded to take off normally. Never had anything like this happen to me before or since.
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Old Dec 15, 2006 | 5:04 pm
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You may (or may not) enjoy these landings (or not) on Youtube. Or especially this one.
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Old Dec 15, 2006 | 6:59 pm
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I always thought this one was pretty scary too. Something the size of a 747 being sideways makes it seem worse.
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Old Dec 15, 2006 | 8:56 pm
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Originally Posted by AEpilot76
I'm almost certain the C130 or any turboprop for that matter can not go into reverse before touchdown.
Never flew the Saab, did you?
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Old Dec 16, 2006 | 9:05 am
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Originally Posted by LarryJ
Never flew the Saab, did you?
No, but the saab can go into reverse in flight? or just beta?
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Old Dec 16, 2006 | 2:35 pm
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Your airline had a very interesting accident a one night a number of years ago when a Saab was reversed in flight. It almost immediately destroyed both engines and they had to do a (mostly) successful dead-stick landing. They landed on a runway but they were way too fast, and the runway was way too short, so they ended up in a field with a very damaged airframe. I believe that it was a DFW crew.

One result of the accident was the addition of a manual reverse gate to prevent the power levers from moving into the reverse range. Of course, on the accident flight they did it intentionally and the manual gate wouldn't prevent that.

Ask some of the more senior Captains and they'll tell you the whole story.

FWIW, the DC9s that I fly are only prevented from going into reverse in flight by the crew's fear of crashing. If you pulled up the reverse levers there is nothing to prevent the reversers from deploying. The only interlock is that you can't deploy them unless the throttles are at idle.
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Old Dec 17, 2006 | 10:10 am
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Originally Posted by LarryJ
Ask some of the more senior Captains and they'll tell you the whole story.
Sounds like a good one...

After departing the end of the runway. the airplane traversed soft, grass-covered soil and a 25-foot-wide by 6-foot-deep ditch, then went through a combination steel post, chain link, and barbed wire fence. It came to rest, upright, in a sugar cane fieid, approximately on runway heading about 1,425 feet from the departure end of the runway.
One minor injury to the FA and that was it.

http://www.airdisaster.com/reports/ntsb/AAR94-06.pdf
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Old Dec 17, 2006 | 10:59 am
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Had lots of aborted landings

But two were due to things other than aircraft not clearing the runway.

First one was landing at CVG during a thunderstorm. It was apparant that the pilot could not keep the plane level and under control, so a couple hundred feet off the ground, he powered up and went around. He told us that we would wait for the storm to pass, but then we just came back around and landed. It was the only time I was nervous on a flight.

Second one was landing at PBI. Noticed that we were coming in way too fast. We powered up and went around. Thought it was a case of aircraft not clearing the runway, but it was a mechanical problem. The pilot could not fully extend the flaps. We went out over the ocean and tried to get them to extend. Couldn't. Pilot told us it was no big deal. We would just be landing a little faster than normal.
Sure enough, we landed without a problem. We did not use up any more of the runway than normal.
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Old Dec 17, 2006 | 11:56 am
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I bet "a few seat cushions" were needed for this. According to the weather channel that morning wind gusts were around 45kts(crosswind). I'm wondering why an attempt was even made to land. This is also being discussed in "newstand". I'm trying to bet my friend "boeingboy" who is a retired US737 Capt. to comment over there.
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Old Dec 17, 2006 | 12:36 pm
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Originally Posted by acpilot
If, OTOH, the wheels actually touched the runway during this you would know that you'd been through something special. A go-around can be safely done so close to the runway that the wheels briefly touch while the engines spool-up. Although this is also practiced, to do one for real is very rare. It's still a safe manouever though and should be no cause for alarm.
I actually had that happen to me on a Usairways/Mesa CRJ9 from PHX->ELP, oh when was it?, well over a year ago....

It was clear weather, and a seemingly normal approach, but the wheels never quite hit the ground when they should have. Just after that, The pilot seemed to wiggle the plane's wings just a slight bit to see if the ground was there, and then got scared and gunned it for a go-around. Just as he gunned it, the back wheels hit the ground.

We then got a VIP window seat tour of the refinery next to the ELP airport- all the lights of Manhattan and the fire of Mordor. A second landing on the same runway was fine, followed by about a 15 minute delay sitting on the taxiway while everyone else took off and landed just fine (which I attributed as some of penalty from the ELP ATC).

For those really curious, I looked it up in my flight notes. It was:
N919FJ America West CRJ-900 5/4/04 HP#6357; PHX->ELP; 2 week old aircraft at the time; touch and go landing in ELP; owned by Mesa Airlines
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Old Dec 17, 2006 | 12:54 pm
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Originally Posted by HappyCoachFlyer
Just after that, The pilot seemed to wiggle the plane's wings just a slight bit to see if the ground was there.....

.....A second landing on the same runway was fine, followed by about a 15 minute delay sitting on the taxiway while everyone else took off and landed just fine (which I attributed as some of penalty from the ELP ATC).
I won't dispute what happened but I will say that no pilot will feel for the ground by wiggling the wings - certainly not in a CRJ-900 since the allowable bank angle during landing is very small. The 15 minute delay was likely the same as every other 15 minute delay - ground congestion. ATC has no time for these sort of infantile games - the faster they can get rid of an airplane means the less work for them.
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Old Dec 17, 2006 | 1:02 pm
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Originally Posted by acpilot
I won't dispute what happened but I will say that no pilot will feel for the ground by wiggling the wings - certainly not in a CRJ-900 since the allowable bank angle during landing is very small. The 15 minute delay was likely the same as every other 15 minute delay - ground congestion. ATC has no time for these sort of infantile games - the faster they can get rid of an airplane means the less work for them.
It could have been a crosswind, I guess. But that is what it looked like from my window seat.... Not much of a wiggle, but just enough to make it really obvious that there was only air underneath...
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Old Dec 18, 2006 | 1:58 pm
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Aborted takeoff from KIX

Hi,
I saw a tape of an aborted takeoff from KIX, that was freaky, the guy doing the filimg almost had a heart attack. I didn't even think they could have stopped the jet in time, but they did a great job !
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