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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 10:45 pm
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Even (maybe especially) in flight training its a core part of the prep for every flight that you have identified where th landing spot is for an aborted take off. ALso during training we used to do a rolling landing/take off to practice to/landing
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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 10:56 pm
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Originally Posted by jimbo99
The only time it happened to me, it happened twice.

It was a BA 747 flight arriving at LHR from Japan. Both times there were different obstructions on the runway. The pilot announced it was the only time that that had happened in his career.
I've done aborted landings about 5 times, but also had a flight that had two in a row. PHL to STL on TWA, trying to land in STL in an icy rain, and obstructions on the runway twice in a row.
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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 11:02 pm
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Stl must have some runway crowd issues! We were at touchdown and took off, very steep angle. Pilot said a plane crossed in front of us against instructions. Weather was great. It was late and we landed very quickly on second approach. I wonder if the go around plane is always the next plane to land. I would assume so.
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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 11:44 pm
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Saw it this morning on the news... really amazing.
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Old Dec 15, 2006 | 12:58 am
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Originally Posted by Sprite
I wonder if the go around plane is always the next plane to land. I would assume so.
Not sure they are unless there is some other issue (fuel/pax injury etc). When my BA flight did the go around at LHR, it was some time before we could take up position again. With flights coming into LHR every 90 secs (or whatever) I'm sure they just allowed the following flights to land normally. It was at least 15 minutes before we tried again - and then we did a go around again - this time because a plane hadn't cleared the run way. (I assumed this was one that had just landed.) Again it was a good 15 minutes or so before we had a third attempt.

It was much more fun the second time - I think because it was nobody's first time! So we knew the drill and could just appreciate the acceleration of a 747. It really was quite impressive the way it gained height and banked to one side.

I did wonder how many goes you get...
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Old Dec 15, 2006 | 3:58 am
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Although a go-around/missed approach may seem scary as a pax I can tell you that it's one of the items most frequently practiced in the simulator and is also one of the possible situations that is most thoroughly discussed in the preparation to land.

Additionally, we might be aware for several minutes that a go-around might be required and therefore be ready for it. For example the 757 crew in the video would have been aware of the wind conditions and absolutely would have discussed acceptable tolerances to continue and would have reviewed the go-around procedure. Sometimes, if the sitution is spacing with another aircraft the controller will even give a heads-up saying, "Be ready for a possible go-around," so we continue the approach, if the spacing works out we land and otherwise we go-around.

If, OTOH, the wheels actually touched the runway during this you would know that you'd been through something special. A go-around can be safely done so close to the runway that the wheels briefly touch while the engines spool-up. Although this is also practiced, to do one for real is very rare. It's still a safe manouever though and should be no cause for alarm.

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Old Dec 15, 2006 | 4:15 am
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Seriously, the pilot we SHOULD worry about is the one who doesn't want to go around!

Aborted landings are a daily event, and quite frankly should probably happen a lot more than they do.

I've had a handful of near touchdown aborts and every time I've found myself grateful that the pilot had the sense (and humility) to say "let's try that again" rather than trying to stick an improper approach.

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Old Dec 15, 2006 | 4:22 am
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Originally Posted by Sprite
Stl must have some runway crowd issues! We were at touchdown and took off, very steep angle. Pilot said a plane crossed in front of us against instructions. Weather was great. It was late and we landed very quickly on second approach. I wonder if the go around plane is always the next plane to land. I would assume so.
No, following a wave off you'll be put back into the approach pattern. Only at the least busy of airports would a go around be next to land. At a busy hub, you'd likely re-enter the pattern behind several (4, 5 or more) upstream.

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Old Dec 15, 2006 | 4:57 am
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Originally Posted by justhere
As opposed to slowly??????

If I'm not mistaken, as part of the checklist, the PIC (or maybe it's always the captain) gives a briefing that includes the missed approach and go-around procedures so the crew already knows exactly what to do.
In Part 121 flying, the captain = PIC

Usually, the pilot flying is the one who gives the approach briefing which includes the missed approach

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Old Dec 15, 2006 | 6:29 am
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This was not your typical go around situation. Yeah, it has happened before, but how many of you have gone through one like the one in the video?
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Old Dec 15, 2006 | 8:53 am
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I've only experienced one. We were landing at ORD 25 years ago, but I remember it like yesterday. We were maybe a hundred feet over the runway, when the pilot pulled up and came around again. He didn't tell us what was up until he was ready to try again. Another a/c had crossed the runway we were landing on instead of holding up. I would have loved to have had access to channel 9 to hear our pilot cuss out the offending pilot.
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Old Dec 15, 2006 | 11:02 am
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A340-800 Flight from MAD-JFK a couple summers ago, pilot aborted the first landing due to the universal "another aircraft on the runway". On approach he banked the plane very suddenly rather hard (I'd say about 45 degrees) starboard before straightening out and spooling the engines back up. If you ask me, he just botched the approach. Second go around was fine.

Some PAX next to me were clearly distressed, but after I proceeded to explain the situation and just how common this occurence is, they calmed down. Though they might have been puckering, I'm sure the 3 crewmembers aboard this C-130 were clenching their butts a little tighter:
http://www.theaviationzone.com/media...al_landing.mov

No arresting hook, only brakes and reverse thrust. They actually reversed the thrust before touching down! No chance for a go around on this approach. A former C-130 pilot told me the starboard wing cleared the control tower by about 5 feet.
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Old Dec 15, 2006 | 12:06 pm
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Originally Posted by BillLumberg
A340-800 Flight from MAD-JFK a couple summers ago, pilot aborted the first landing due to the universal "another aircraft on the runway". On approach he banked the plane very suddenly rather hard (I'd say about 45 degrees) starboard before straightening out and spooling the engines back up. If you ask me, he just botched the approach. Second go around was fine.

Some PAX next to me were clearly distressed, but after I proceeded to explain the situation and just how common this occurence is, they calmed down. Though they might have been puckering, I'm sure the 3 crewmembers aboard this C-130 were clenching their butts a little tighter:
http://www.theaviationzone.com/media...al_landing.mov

No arresting hook, only brakes and reverse thrust. They actually reversed the thrust before touching down! No chance for a go around on this approach. A former C-130 pilot told me the starboard wing cleared the control tower by about 5 feet.
I'm almost certain the C130 or any turboprop for that matter can not go into reverse before touchdown. The only airplane I know of that can do that is that Russian Illuyshin, the one with 4 engines on the tail, and possibly early models of the DC-8 (not sure about that one).

I flew the ATR for quite some time, and a low pitch, or reverse pitch condition in the air was a serious emergency, the engine needed to be shut down IMMEDIATELY

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Old Dec 15, 2006 | 12:21 pm
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STL used to have some serious issues with traffic. These days, not so much <sigh>. By the time they managed to get the reliever runway built, the traffic for it didn't exist anymore.
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Old Dec 15, 2006 | 12:58 pm
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Originally Posted by AEpilot76
I'm almost certain the C130 or any turboprop for that matter can not go into reverse before touchdown. The only airplane I know of that can do that is that Russian Illuyshin, the one with 4 engines on the tail, and possibly early models of the DC-8 (not sure about that one).

I flew the ATR for quite some time, and a low pitch, or reverse pitch condition in the air was a serious emergency, the engine needed to be shut down IMMEDIATELY
In a KingAir A100 we'd lift the levers over the gate in the flare to significantly shorten the rollout but that's not going into reverse, it's only going from flight idle to ground idle. I also believe it's possible to do this in a Dash-8 - at great peril! Looking at the C-130 video it doesn't appear that reverse is selected prior to touchdown.
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