Go Back  FlyerTalk Forums > Travel&Dining > TravelBuzz
Reload this Page >

What's with the AZ-CA border?

Community
Wiki Posts
Search

What's with the AZ-CA border?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Mar 23, 2005 | 1:00 pm
  #1  
Original Poster
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
10 Countries Visited
20 Countries Visited
30 Countries Visited
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 55,213
What's with the AZ-CA border?

When we crossed into CA on I-10 we noticed that there seemed to be what looked like a border check. What on earth? Why does CA treat AZ like a foreign country in need of some kind of border patrol? It seemed to be some kind of agricultural border patrol. Does the interstate commerce clause get tossed out the window? What's up with that? We didn't experience that in AZ when we were en route to Phoenix.

Also, we stopped in Blythe for gasoline and something to eat. What I didn't expect to see in the middle of absolutely nowhere was a drive-through Starbucks! With gasoline prices at $2.69/gallon for 87 octane, how do people in the middle of the desert afford $4 cups of coffee?

Last observation. On the AZ side, I-10 had those wondrous saguaro cacti on both sides of the highway looking just grand and majestic. Cross into CA and they are gone. What you have instead is irrigated farm land. It almost did seem like we entered a foreign country.
Analise is offline  
Old Mar 23, 2005 | 1:14 pm
  #2  
All eyes on you!
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: STL
Programs: WN, DL, AA; Hyatt or Wyndham
Posts: 1,105
Originally Posted by Analise
When we crossed into CA on I-10 we noticed that there seemed to be what looked like a border check. What on earth? Why does CA treat AZ like a foreign country in need of some kind of border patrol? It seemed to be some kind of agricultural border patrol. Does the interstate commerce clause get tossed out the window? What's up with that? We didn't experience that in AZ when we were en route to Phoenix.

Also, we stopped in Blythe for gasoline and something to eat. What I didn't expect to see in the middle of absolutely nowhere was a drive-through Starbucks! With gasoline prices at $2.69/gallon for 87 octane, how do people in the middle of the desert afford $4 cups of coffee?

Last observation. On the AZ side, I-10 had those wondrous saguaro cacti on both sides of the highway looking just grand and majestic. Cross into CA and they are gone. What you have instead is irrigated farm land. It almost did seem like we entered a foreign country.

I've rarely driven into CA, usually fly, but isn't this SOP, something re: fruit flies?
Delta Hog is offline  
Old Mar 23, 2005 | 1:14 pm
  #3  
1M50 Countries Visited25 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Sacramento, California, USA
Posts: 2,978
Originally Posted by Analise
When we crossed into CA on I-10 we noticed that there seemed to be what looked like a border check. What on earth? Why does CA treat AZ like a foreign country in need of some kind of border patrol? It seemed to be some kind of agricultural border patrol. Does the interstate commerce clause get tossed out the window? What's up with that? We didn't experience that in AZ when we were en route to Phoenix.
There are sixteen border inspection stations for State Agricultural Inspection on major highways throughout California but due to budget cutbacks several of the smaller ones have been abandoned. Their mission is to protect our state's agricultural and natural resources against damage caused by exotic plant pests and diseases Since agriculture is such a huge part of California's economy, and is one of the world's greatest resources of food, the importance of protecting this industry makes some sense.

I found some interesting statistics, albeit a bit old. In 2000, more than 33.5 million private and commercial vehicles were monitored at these stations. Some 70 thousand lots of prohibited plant material were intercepted; these are typically infested with pests or not certified for entry into California. Reportedly some of the finds included the gypsy moth, imported fire ants, Mexican and Oriental fruit fly, musk thistle, and more.
El Cochinito is offline  
Old Mar 23, 2005 | 2:18 pm
  #4  
10 Countries Visited
1M
All eyes on you!
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Cows in Berkeley?....Moooo!
Programs: Fly Amtrak, Go Greyhound! I'm often wrong but always sincere.
Posts: 7,123
The same checkpoints exist on the CA/NV border, but it seems like they are unstaffed more often than not.
OutOfOffice is offline  
Old Mar 23, 2005 | 2:33 pm
  #5  
Original Poster
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
10 Countries Visited
20 Countries Visited
30 Countries Visited
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 55,213
It sounds like they are impeding on interstate commerce by these "inspections". Of course if they can't seem to get people to man these posts, perhaps the taxpayers don't want to foot the bill?
Analise is offline  
Old Mar 23, 2005 | 2:36 pm
  #6  
All eyes on you!
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: STL
Programs: WN, DL, AA; Hyatt or Wyndham
Posts: 1,105
Originally Posted by Analise
It sounds like they are impeding on interstate commerce by these "inspections".

No, not at all, they're just protecting California commerce (agriculture) from infestations.

Analogize to the myriad of state laws we have about truck weights, and the weigh stations truckers have to go through pretty much any time they enter every state -- protecting the roads of that state. Same principle. I'm sure there are many other analogies.
Delta Hog is offline  
Old Mar 23, 2005 | 2:42 pm
  #7  
Original Poster
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
10 Countries Visited
20 Countries Visited
30 Countries Visited
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 55,213
Originally Posted by Delta Hog
No, not at all, they're just protecting California commerce (agriculture) from infestations.
I'm sure that's the logic that protects each states' wine industry and thus limits the free flow of business.
Analise is offline  
Old Mar 23, 2005 | 3:02 pm
  #8  
Suspended
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Tampa, Florida, U.S.A.
Posts: 7,664
Huh??

Anyone has any doubts where this is leading?

mike
MIKESILV is offline  
Old Mar 23, 2005 | 3:10 pm
  #9  
All eyes on you!
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: SFO
Programs: UA 1K MM, Marriott Gold
Posts: 4,848
I also did this run for the first time this weekend--were you that idiot that kept slamming on brakes in the middle of the desert? When we got to California, we had to come to a complete stop only to see that the station was closed.

I agree that Arizona had the more beautiful scenery. Well, except for the creepy windmill farm.

Last edited by JAaronT; Mar 23, 2005 at 3:12 pm
JAaronT is online now  
Old Mar 23, 2005 | 3:13 pm
  #10  
1M50 Countries Visited25 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Sacramento, California, USA
Posts: 2,978
Originally Posted by Analise
It sounds like they are impeding on interstate commerce by these "inspections". Of course if they can't seem to get people to man these posts, perhaps the taxpayers don't want to foot the bill?
Actually you might be helping foot the bill since the California pest prevention program seeks federal funding
http://www.cacasa.org/pdf/FederalFundingProp04a.pdf
El Cochinito is offline  
Old Mar 24, 2005 | 7:22 am
  #11  
Original Poster
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
10 Countries Visited
20 Countries Visited
30 Countries Visited
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 55,213
Originally Posted by MIKESILV
Huh??

Anyone has any doubts where this is leading?

mike
Where what is leading?

Are there border guards on the Texas/New Mexico border too? Does Wisconsin have a border inspections on its Illinois border? California isn't the only state dependent upon agriculture.
Analise is offline  
Old Mar 24, 2005 | 7:37 am
  #12  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Formerly HPN, but then DCA and IAD for a while, and now back to HPN!
Programs: Honestly, I've been out of the travel game so long that I'm not even sure. Maybe Marriott Gold?
Posts: 10,677
I think that El Cochinto covered this pretty thoroughly in his first post. Given CA's significant agricultural industry, I have no problems with border checks. 70,000 lots of prohibited plant material is a large enough number for me. CA is one of the few climates where certain crops grow well, and I've seen firsthand the impact on prices at my local grocery store when crops like lettuce and tomatoes are diminished.

Last edited by dchristiva; Mar 24, 2005 at 7:39 am
dchristiva is offline  
Old Mar 24, 2005 | 7:38 am
  #13  
Senior Moderator; Moderator, Flyertalk Cares
2M
50 Countries Visited
100 Nights
All eyes on you!
 
Join Date: Jun 1999
Location: Fulltime travel/mostly Europe
Programs: UA 1.7 MM;; Accor & Marriott Pt; Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 17,927
Originally Posted by El Cochinito
There are sixteen border inspection stations for State Agricultural Inspection on major highways throughout California but due to budget cutbacks several of the smaller ones have been abandoned.
I think we're down to only five ag checkpoints now because of the budget problems.

There are temporary inspection points (perhaps some permanent ones too - I don't know) that get set up in Southern California from time to time by the INS. I went through one of those last time I was driving around in the desert about two years ago.

Last edited by l etoile; Mar 24, 2005 at 7:44 am
l etoile is offline  
Old Mar 24, 2005 | 9:15 am
  #14  
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: DCA
Posts: 1,413
There are/used to be checkpoints at the CA/OR border as well....

So what if a state wants to "protect" itself? The state of Western Australia, for example, is almost militant about what comes in from other states, with checkpoints at land borders, and "agricultural customs" for domestic flights from other Australian states. Flying in from Victoria I had an apple that would have been a no-no. Had to eat it on the plane.... Thus far WA has kept out many of the "dangerous pests" you'd find in other Aussie states.
chtiet is offline  
Old Mar 24, 2005 | 9:38 am
  #15  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: FLL -> Where The Boyars Are
Programs: AA EXP 1.7 M, Hilton Gold, Hertz 5*, AARP Sophomore, 14-time Croix de Candlestick
Posts: 18,669
More information on the USDA programs to fight the Medfly (fruit fly), one of the most destructive pests:


http://www.aphis.usda.gov/lpa/pubs/f..._phmedfly.html


And here's what other countries are doing, too:

http://www.dpi.vic.gov.au/dpi/nrenfa...256EF50015A549


http://www.protectnz.org.nz/_mediter..._fruit_fly.htm


http://www.baha.bz/mediterranean.html
Non-NonRev is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

This site is owned, operated, and maintained by MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Designated trademarks are the property of their respective owners.