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Analise Mar 23, 2005 1:00 pm

What's with the AZ-CA border?
 
When we crossed into CA on I-10 we noticed that there seemed to be what looked like a border check. What on earth? Why does CA treat AZ like a foreign country in need of some kind of border patrol? It seemed to be some kind of agricultural border patrol. Does the interstate commerce clause get tossed out the window? What's up with that? We didn't experience that in AZ when we were en route to Phoenix.

Also, we stopped in Blythe for gasoline and something to eat. What I didn't expect to see in the middle of absolutely nowhere was a drive-through Starbucks! With gasoline prices at $2.69/gallon for 87 octane, how do people in the middle of the desert afford $4 cups of coffee?

Last observation. On the AZ side, I-10 had those wondrous saguaro cacti on both sides of the highway looking just grand and majestic. Cross into CA and they are gone. What you have instead is irrigated farm land. It almost did seem like we entered a foreign country. :D

Delta Hog Mar 23, 2005 1:14 pm


Originally Posted by Analise
When we crossed into CA on I-10 we noticed that there seemed to be what looked like a border check. What on earth? Why does CA treat AZ like a foreign country in need of some kind of border patrol? It seemed to be some kind of agricultural border patrol. Does the interstate commerce clause get tossed out the window? What's up with that? We didn't experience that in AZ when we were en route to Phoenix.

Also, we stopped in Blythe for gasoline and something to eat. What I didn't expect to see in the middle of absolutely nowhere was a drive-through Starbucks! With gasoline prices at $2.69/gallon for 87 octane, how do people in the middle of the desert afford $4 cups of coffee?

Last observation. On the AZ side, I-10 had those wondrous saguaro cacti on both sides of the highway looking just grand and majestic. Cross into CA and they are gone. What you have instead is irrigated farm land. It almost did seem like we entered a foreign country. :D


I've rarely driven into CA, usually fly, but isn't this SOP, something re: fruit flies?

El Cochinito Mar 23, 2005 1:14 pm


Originally Posted by Analise
When we crossed into CA on I-10 we noticed that there seemed to be what looked like a border check. What on earth? Why does CA treat AZ like a foreign country in need of some kind of border patrol? It seemed to be some kind of agricultural border patrol. Does the interstate commerce clause get tossed out the window? What's up with that? We didn't experience that in AZ when we were en route to Phoenix.

There are sixteen border inspection stations for State Agricultural Inspection on major highways throughout California but due to budget cutbacks several of the smaller ones have been abandoned. Their mission is to protect our state's agricultural and natural resources against damage caused by exotic plant pests and diseases Since agriculture is such a huge part of California's economy, and is one of the world's greatest resources of food, the importance of protecting this industry makes some sense.

I found some interesting statistics, albeit a bit old. In 2000, more than 33.5 million private and commercial vehicles were monitored at these stations. Some 70 thousand lots of prohibited plant material were intercepted; these are typically infested with pests or not certified for entry into California. Reportedly some of the finds included the gypsy moth, imported fire ants, Mexican and Oriental fruit fly, musk thistle, and more.

OutOfOffice Mar 23, 2005 2:18 pm

The same checkpoints exist on the CA/NV border, but it seems like they are unstaffed more often than not.

Analise Mar 23, 2005 2:33 pm

It sounds like they are impeding on interstate commerce by these "inspections". Of course if they can't seem to get people to man these posts, perhaps the taxpayers don't want to foot the bill?

Delta Hog Mar 23, 2005 2:36 pm


Originally Posted by Analise
It sounds like they are impeding on interstate commerce by these "inspections".


No, not at all, they're just protecting California commerce (agriculture) from infestations.

Analogize to the myriad of state laws we have about truck weights, and the weigh stations truckers have to go through pretty much any time they enter every state -- protecting the roads of that state. Same principle. I'm sure there are many other analogies.

Analise Mar 23, 2005 2:42 pm


Originally Posted by Delta Hog
No, not at all, they're just protecting California commerce (agriculture) from infestations.

I'm sure that's the logic that protects each states' wine industry and thus limits the free flow of business.

MIKESILV Mar 23, 2005 3:02 pm

Huh??

Anyone has any doubts where this is leading?

mike

JAaronT Mar 23, 2005 3:10 pm

I also did this run for the first time this weekend--were you that idiot that kept slamming on brakes in the middle of the desert? ;) When we got to California, we had to come to a complete stop only to see that the station was closed.

I agree that Arizona had the more beautiful scenery. Well, except for the creepy windmill farm.

El Cochinito Mar 23, 2005 3:13 pm


Originally Posted by Analise
It sounds like they are impeding on interstate commerce by these "inspections". Of course if they can't seem to get people to man these posts, perhaps the taxpayers don't want to foot the bill?

Actually you might be helping foot the bill :eek: since the California pest prevention program seeks federal funding
http://www.cacasa.org/pdf/FederalFundingProp04a.pdf

Analise Mar 24, 2005 7:22 am


Originally Posted by MIKESILV
Huh??

Anyone has any doubts where this is leading?

mike

Where what is leading?

Are there border guards on the Texas/New Mexico border too? Does Wisconsin have a border inspections on its Illinois border? California isn't the only state dependent upon agriculture.

dchristiva Mar 24, 2005 7:37 am

I think that El Cochinto covered this pretty thoroughly in his first post. Given CA's significant agricultural industry, I have no problems with border checks. 70,000 lots of prohibited plant material is a large enough number for me. CA is one of the few climates where certain crops grow well, and I've seen firsthand the impact on prices at my local grocery store when crops like lettuce and tomatoes are diminished.

l etoile Mar 24, 2005 7:38 am


Originally Posted by El Cochinito
There are sixteen border inspection stations for State Agricultural Inspection on major highways throughout California but due to budget cutbacks several of the smaller ones have been abandoned.

I think we're down to only five ag checkpoints now because of the budget problems.

There are temporary inspection points (perhaps some permanent ones too - I don't know) that get set up in Southern California from time to time by the INS. I went through one of those last time I was driving around in the desert about two years ago.

chtiet Mar 24, 2005 9:15 am

There are/used to be checkpoints at the CA/OR border as well....

So what if a state wants to "protect" itself? The state of Western Australia, for example, is almost militant about what comes in from other states, with checkpoints at land borders, and "agricultural customs" for domestic flights from other Australian states. Flying in from Victoria I had an apple that would have been a no-no. Had to eat it on the plane.... Thus far WA has kept out many of the "dangerous pests" you'd find in other Aussie states.

Non-NonRev Mar 24, 2005 9:38 am

More information on the USDA programs to fight the Medfly (fruit fly), one of the most destructive pests:


http://www.aphis.usda.gov/lpa/pubs/f..._phmedfly.html


And here's what other countries are doing, too:

http://www.dpi.vic.gov.au/dpi/nrenfa...256EF50015A549


http://www.protectnz.org.nz/_mediter..._fruit_fly.htm


http://www.baha.bz/mediterranean.html


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