NY-Baltimore: train or plane
Aug 2, 2004 | 1:45 pm
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Originally Posted by slawecki
They must not make security lines at LGA like they make them at BWI. I'd never consider under an hour from the front door of BWI to the door of the plane.
If TSA dragged the speed of security checkpoints at LGA past 10 minutes, there would be a lot of noise.
I regularly leave my house in midtown within forty minutes of departure time (when traffic is light).
Aug 2, 2004 | 1:50 pm
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Adding:
I would recommend the train in this instance.
My breakpoint is one hour. If the train can get me somewhere within an hour of the plane, I take the train. Amtrak has not quite made it for NYC-Boston (I can do it door-to-door with the DL shuttle in 2.5-3.0 hours, sometimes even 2.0 hours. Acela -- including to/from Penn Station -- takes 4.0 hours).
I would recommend the train in this instance.
My breakpoint is one hour. If the train can get me somewhere within an hour of the plane, I take the train. Amtrak has not quite made it for NYC-Boston (I can do it door-to-door with the DL shuttle in 2.5-3.0 hours, sometimes even 2.0 hours. Acela -- including to/from Penn Station -- takes 4.0 hours).
Aug 2, 2004 | 2:02 pm
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Originally Posted by TWA4Ever
There is no professional baseball team with the name "O's" (and why is it possessive, anyway?) either in their articles of incorporation or their contract with Major League Baseball. If you pursue the conclusion of shortening the name of the Baltimore baseball team, then when they play the Tigers, are they playing the T's? And when they play the Twins, are they playing the T's again? How about the Angels and the Athletics? Are they playing the A's both times? Rangers and Red Sox? R's??
What about when they play the Blue Jays?
Just call them Baltimore. That is the city they play in. That is the city they represent. Though they have, for some reason, been embarrassed to wear that name on their uniform for decades.
And, Analise, I have lived in Northern VA for 12 years. I went to my first major league game (a doubleheader vs Pittsburgh) at Ebbets Field. I have gone to the ballpark in Baltimore to see the "Y's" bash them at least a dozen times.
What about when they play the Blue Jays?
Just call them Baltimore. That is the city they play in. That is the city they represent. Though they have, for some reason, been embarrassed to wear that name on their uniform for decades.
And, Analise, I have lived in Northern VA for 12 years. I went to my first major league game (a doubleheader vs Pittsburgh) at Ebbets Field. I have gone to the ballpark in Baltimore to see the "Y's" bash them at least a dozen times.
Aug 2, 2004 | 2:57 pm
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Originally Posted by TWA4Ever
There is no professional baseball team with the name "O's" (and why is it possessive, anyway?) either in their articles of incorporation or their contract with Major League Baseball. If you pursue the conclusion of shortening the name of the Baltimore baseball team, then when they play the Tigers, are they playing the T's? And when they play the Twins, are they playing the T's again? How about the Angels and the Athletics? Are they playing the A's both times? Rangers and Red Sox? R's??
What about when they play the Blue Jays?
Just call them Baltimore. That is the city they play in. That is the city they represent. Though they have, for some reason, been embarrassed to wear that name on their uniform for decades.
And, Analise, I have lived in Northern VA for 12 years. I went to my first major league game (a doubleheader vs Pittsburgh) at Ebbets Field. I have gone to the ballpark in Baltimore to see the "Y's" bash them at least a dozen times.
What about when they play the Blue Jays?
Just call them Baltimore. That is the city they play in. That is the city they represent. Though they have, for some reason, been embarrassed to wear that name on their uniform for decades.
And, Analise, I have lived in Northern VA for 12 years. I went to my first major league game (a doubleheader vs Pittsburgh) at Ebbets Field. I have gone to the ballpark in Baltimore to see the "Y's" bash them at least a dozen times.
You do realize that the media and even the team happily refers to the club as the O's, right? It's interchangable with "Orioles".
Oh, and I would take the train from midtown Manhattan to Baltimore. Your overall travel time should be much shorter than getting from midtown to LGA and then from BWI to the Inner Harbor.
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Aug 2, 2004 | 3:54 pm
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Originally Posted by TWA4Ever
There is no professional baseball team with the name "O's" (and why is it possessive, anyway?) either in their articles of incorporation or their contract with Major League Baseball. If you pursue the conclusion of shortening the name of the Baltimore baseball team, then when they play the Tigers, are they playing the T's?
Somebody get this man a Strunk and White!
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Aug 2, 2004 | 4:07 pm
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Originally Posted by Analise
The O's are as much of a team nickname as are the Cubbies, the Yanks, The Fish, the Rays, .....should I go on? You're looking for articles of incorporation???? You need to go back to a ballpark especially Camden Yards and listen to the fans sing the National Anthem. Then you'll see how beloved the O really is. ^
Aug 2, 2004 | 9:56 pm
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Originally Posted by TWA4Ever
The ballpark is named Oriole Park The location is Camden Yards. There is no ballpark named Camden Yards.
When former Baltimore mayor William Donald Schaefer became governor of Maryland in the mid-1980s, he helped push plans for a baseball-only stadium through the state legislature. The plans also called for a football-only stadium next door and both would be financed by a new instant lottery game. Construction on an 85-acre site began in June 1989, took 33 months and cost $110 million. The success of Oriole Park at Camden Yards inspired other cities (Cleveland, Denver, etc.) to build their own versions of this new Retro style ballpark. Eli Jacobs, who owned the Orioles when the ballpark was built, wanted to call it Oriole Park. Schaefer preferred Camden Yards. Finally, they agreed on Oriole Park at Camden Yards.
Aug 3, 2004 | 5:30 am
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Originally Posted by TWA4Ever
The ballpark is named Oriole Park The location is Camden Yards. There is no ballpark named Camden Yards.
Aug 3, 2004 | 8:22 am
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Originally Posted by TWA4Ever
The ballpark is named Oriole Park The location is Camden Yards. There is no ballpark named Camden Yards.
I think you might want to write a letter to The Baltimore Sun because they also, heaven forbid, refer to the Orioles in the title of an article as the O's and they refer to their fantastic ballpark as CAMDEN YARDS. Take a deep breath now. It's in an article today's paper. I'll increase the font so you can see it properly. But you can be assured that in the article they are referred to the Orioles also as the Orioles.
Second time is charm for Borkowski
O's officials remembered, had faith in Tigers castoff
By Joe Christensen
Sun Staff
Originally published August 3, 2004
When the Detroit Tigers released David Borkowski last year, setting the scene for his stirring comeback with the Orioles, it wasn't your typical baseball transaction.
Growing up in Michigan, Borkowski knew about everything there was to know about the Detroit franchise. He can still remember skipping grade school to watch his beloved Tigers play in the 1984 and 1987 playoffs.
...
A new wave of pitching prospects had arrived, and for all his determination, Borkowski's arm strength simply wasn't coming back.
"I was devastated," said Borkowski, who takes a 2-2 record into tonight's start against the Seattle Mariners in the second game of a doubleheader at Camden Yards. "I didn't want to leave, but I just packed my stuff and got out of there as soon as I could."
O's officials remembered, had faith in Tigers castoff
By Joe Christensen
Sun Staff
Originally published August 3, 2004
When the Detroit Tigers released David Borkowski last year, setting the scene for his stirring comeback with the Orioles, it wasn't your typical baseball transaction.
Growing up in Michigan, Borkowski knew about everything there was to know about the Detroit franchise. He can still remember skipping grade school to watch his beloved Tigers play in the 1984 and 1987 playoffs.
...
A new wave of pitching prospects had arrived, and for all his determination, Borkowski's arm strength simply wasn't coming back.
"I was devastated," said Borkowski, who takes a 2-2 record into tonight's start against the Seattle Mariners in the second game of a doubleheader at Camden Yards. "I didn't want to leave, but I just packed my stuff and got out of there as soon as I could."
Hmmmm, right next to this story is a lead article in the sports section about Mary Lou Retton who made an appearance at a skybox.....where? The newspaper stated that she was in Camden Yards. How can that be if it there is no ballpark with that name?
Time can't tarnish her golden moment
Mary Lou Retton is 36 now, but she's ageless in the minds of those who saw her in the Olympics 20 years ago.
By Candus Thomson
Sun Staff
Originally published August 3, 2004
Mary Lou Retton is antsy. The trademark million-watt smile snaps off as if controlled by an invisible switch. She is giving orders.
"No, not five minutes, three. And we'll walk," she says to a reporter seeking an interview.
"No, I'm not going in there. I've seen it," she says to a temporary assistant who is trying to get her into a quiet, air-conditioned room at Baltimore's Gerstung Center, away from the noise of a hundred rambunctious gymnastics campers and the humidity of a summer day.
"Where's my car? Why did you bring me this way?" she grills one of the people trailing behind her. "It's time to go. I have to go."
Yes, Mary Lou Retton - America's Sweetheart, the athlete who can be identified by her first name alone, the blast of energy who turned millions of little girls into gymnasts with her gold-medal performance in the 1984 Summer Games - is not to be trifled with this day.
She is no cardboard cutout, no cartoon character to be used as a prop or posed this way and that. She is away from her family on a pre-Olympic promotional tour, and every hour apart is agonizing. This day, she has one more appearance in Baltimore - a meet and greet at a Camden Yards skybox. And so, it seems, she is itching to wrap up loose ends before flying back to Texas.
Mary Lou Retton is 36 now, but she's ageless in the minds of those who saw her in the Olympics 20 years ago.
By Candus Thomson
Sun Staff
Originally published August 3, 2004
Mary Lou Retton is antsy. The trademark million-watt smile snaps off as if controlled by an invisible switch. She is giving orders.
"No, not five minutes, three. And we'll walk," she says to a reporter seeking an interview.
"No, I'm not going in there. I've seen it," she says to a temporary assistant who is trying to get her into a quiet, air-conditioned room at Baltimore's Gerstung Center, away from the noise of a hundred rambunctious gymnastics campers and the humidity of a summer day.
"Where's my car? Why did you bring me this way?" she grills one of the people trailing behind her. "It's time to go. I have to go."
Yes, Mary Lou Retton - America's Sweetheart, the athlete who can be identified by her first name alone, the blast of energy who turned millions of little girls into gymnasts with her gold-medal performance in the 1984 Summer Games - is not to be trifled with this day.
She is no cardboard cutout, no cartoon character to be used as a prop or posed this way and that. She is away from her family on a pre-Olympic promotional tour, and every hour apart is agonizing. This day, she has one more appearance in Baltimore - a meet and greet at a Camden Yards skybox. And so, it seems, she is itching to wrap up loose ends before flying back to Texas.
Time to write a letter to the editor because the local newspaper refers to a ballpark which you say doesn't exist in two articles today. ^ Is this a case of bad reporting? Or is this the case of local nicknames taking over.
Aug 3, 2004 | 8:24 am
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Originally Posted by dchristiva
Okay, I'll bite. Why do you have this need for perfection regarding the Baltimore Orioles and the name of their stadium? Whether you call it "Oriole Park at Camden Yards" or "Camden Yards", people seem to be clear on the intent, particularly in the context of baseball. I don't see a big risk that folks will appear in the railyards looking for a baseball game.
Aug 3, 2004 | 8:57 am
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Train, but...
Take Acela Express, timing is 2:15 or so, and it's a nice ride.
Do NOT take the regular train unless you have all day to kill. AMTRAK does do a good job of keeping the Acela's on time, but doesn't really expend effort on the regular (much cheaper) service. I've been "Delayed Indefinitley" and faced with taking the next unreserved train with hordes of other abandoned passengers.
Acela is 100% reserved.
Do NOT take the regular train unless you have all day to kill. AMTRAK does do a good job of keeping the Acela's on time, but doesn't really expend effort on the regular (much cheaper) service. I've been "Delayed Indefinitley" and faced with taking the next unreserved train with hordes of other abandoned passengers.
Acela is 100% reserved.
Aug 3, 2004 | 9:12 am
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I took the Acela Express (DC-NY) two Fridays ago and it took 3 hours to get to Penn Station - which I think is behind schedule. So, try as they may, the Acela still occasionally gets delayed and the ancient rail tracks on the East Coast do not help things much 
But between that and a drop of rain/snow causing all-day cascading delays at LGA? I'd choose train if I had to be somewhere by a certain time (in fact, we had USAir shuttle tickets and had to make a mad dash for Union Station to catch the Acela after the multiple shuttle cancellations). We need the TGV or Shinkansen on this corridor connecting the major cities and their airports. I think the investment will pay off in the massive economic benefits for the entire Eastern Seaboard. Then again, if that was the case, why hasn't a private company stepped forward?
But between that and a drop of rain/snow causing all-day cascading delays at LGA? I'd choose train if I had to be somewhere by a certain time (in fact, we had USAir shuttle tickets and had to make a mad dash for Union Station to catch the Acela after the multiple shuttle cancellations). We need the TGV or Shinkansen on this corridor connecting the major cities and their airports. I think the investment will pay off in the massive economic benefits for the entire Eastern Seaboard. Then again, if that was the case, why hasn't a private company stepped forward?
Nov 21, 2004 | 2:08 pm
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My gut tells me that no private company wants to risk such enormous up-front capital which could be subjected to ever-changing state and federal government regulation and possible TSA nonsense.
I also am not sure how much money AMTRAK makes on its Northeast Corridor services. The trains are about 80% full when I travel, but that is generally at peak times.
I do think if AMTRAK could shave off another hour between Boston and Penn Station and likewise an hour between Penn and DC Union Station, they would put the shuttles out of business.
I also am not sure how much money AMTRAK makes on its Northeast Corridor services. The trains are about 80% full when I travel, but that is generally at peak times.
I do think if AMTRAK could shave off another hour between Boston and Penn Station and likewise an hour between Penn and DC Union Station, they would put the shuttles out of business.
Nov 22, 2004 | 7:29 am
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Originally Posted by fastflyer
I also am not sure how much money AMTRAK makes on its Northeast Corridor services. The trains are about 80% full when I travel, but that is generally at peak times.
I do think if AMTRAK could shave off another hour between Boston and Penn Station and likewise an hour between Penn and DC Union Station, they would put the shuttles out of business.
I do think if AMTRAK could shave off another hour between Boston and Penn Station and likewise an hour between Penn and DC Union Station, they would put the shuttles out of business.