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Old Dec 3, 2003 | 6:34 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by auh2o:
I often ride on 727's that board from the belly stairs (aka the NBA charter jets).</font>
isn't that where DB Cooper made his escape?

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Old Dec 3, 2003 | 6:37 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by JS:
The reason should be obvious -- at an airport, you have to board (ahem, spelling) on the port side of the plane, not the starboard side!

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Does this mean that famous movies actors board on the starboard side?

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Old Dec 3, 2003 | 6:38 pm
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I'm pretty sure both Ryanair trips I have taken had deboarding from both the front and the back.
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Old Dec 3, 2003 | 7:36 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by stut:
I have another rant, cunningly disguised as a question. And it's nearly relevant too.

Why do so few airports have multiple airbridges for large aircraft? The only ones I regularly use that do are LHR T3 and AMS. Think of the benefits... It can't be that expensive.
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Well, it does cost a pretty penny to install them. It would be a waste of time if the plane's turn time doesn't change for other reasons, the most common being hub schedules.

Furthermore, the possibility of damage is much higher with dual jetways than just one. Should the second jetway hit the wing or the engine nacelle, you're screwed.

In order to ensure that the second jetway doesn't crash into the plane, it takes longer for the jetway driver to set it up and remove it, so that subtracts from some of the savings in turn time.

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Old Dec 3, 2003 | 9:03 pm
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I have seen the WN dual bridge here in AUS, but have never seen it used...I would think that a 777 or 747, or even the A380 would greatly benefit from this...I though one time I saw a 747 boarding to the upper deck and lower simultaneously...maybe Stapleton or DFW...but I was really young? Juts curious, would like to see that...

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Old Dec 3, 2003 | 11:42 pm
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MikeShores, a dual jetway to a big plane in which the two doors are forward of the wing saves almost no time in boarding. Most passengers are still going to be going aft of the second entrance.

The only way a dual jetway can save an appreciable amount of loading time is to load through the front door and the back door such as the AUS one that Southwest built. The fact that Southwest hardly ever uses it (if at all) is a good hint that they're kind of worthless.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by JS:
MikeShores, a dual jetway to a big plane in which the two doors are forward of the wing saves almost no time in boarding. Most passengers are still going to be going aft of the second entrance.
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Airports like HKG have long used dual jetways on widebodies, and they save a lot of time deplaning as people sitting on the left side would get out in the aft door, while people on the right would walk through the C cabins and exit via the front doors.

And with large planes with a significant C cabin, it'd help in boarding time too.

[And I remember during the time of DC8s and 707s; and before jetways, it's common practice to use one stairs in the front, and one stairs at the rear of the plane. Y passengers would board in the rear.]

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Old Dec 4, 2003 | 12:15 am
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Old Dec 4, 2003 | 12:33 am
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A few years ago I did an internal flight in South Africa between Uppington and Cape Town. The plane pulled up infront of the terminal with its right side toward the terminal so we boarded through the right door.
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Old Dec 4, 2003 | 10:44 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by stut:
I have another rant, cunningly disguised as a question. And it's nearly relevant too.

Why do so few airports have multiple airbridges for large aircraft? The only ones I regularly use that do are LHR T3 and AMS. Think of the benefits... It can't be that expensive.
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I have seen dual jetways in use on 777s/747s on United at both ORD and SFO. Typically one is for First/Business/Elite flyers, and the second jetway for everyone else.

Now, for some more Family Guy:

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"Victory is mine!!!"

Man, that is a funny show!

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Old Dec 4, 2003 | 11:18 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by g_leyser:
I have seen dual jetways in use on 777s/747s on United at both ORD and SFO. Typically one is for First/Business/Elite flyers, and the second jetway for everyone else.</font>
If I remember this correctly, the last time I flew UA on a 747 at ORD, after everyone in First/Business boarded through the forward jetway, the gate agents invited all coach passengers to use either jetway in order to speed up the boarding process a little. It would be faster if they did that to begin with, but one of the reasons for having a dual jetway is to provide a more pleasant boarding experience for those sitting in First or Business Class.


Back to Family Guy ...

I saw this one on Cartoon Network last night -- Stewie says "It puts the lotion on its skin" It wouldn't make any sense unless you've seen Silence of the Lambs.

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Old Dec 4, 2003 | 1:31 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by rkkwan:
WHBM - Good reply, until the very last point. People in England, Japan, Australia, Singapore, etc have no problem sitting in the right hand side driving; and they have to shift with their left hands too.</font>
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Driving on left or right all dates back to pre-motor vehicles. It depends on what type of horse and wagon was popular in the area. This set the style when cars came along. And once again it's a right-handed issue.

If it was common to control the four horses by riding on one of them, as in France, the best position was on the rear left horse as from here the other horses could be most easily whipped by the rider, when holding the whip in their right hand. As they were on the left, they passed other vehicles on this side so they could judge the passing distance better (so right hand rule of the road).

In Britain it was more popular to ride on the actual wagon. You had to use the whip over the side of the wagon, as otherwise it would lash back and hit those seated directly behind you. Right-handed whip again, so the carter had to sit on the right hand side. Again they passed other vehicles on the side they were sitting on (so left hand rule of the road).

Napoleon insisted as he invaded the various countries of Europe that they change to right hand drive, because he had a thing about standardisation of this, and once changed most of them never changed back. Is it necessary to add that Napoleon never defeated the British?

In the US the style of wagon control was like the French, hence the US was on the right.

When motor cars came along they just had to fit in with the established practice in each country. Initially, of course, cars were in the minority and horse vehicles in the majority. And it all grew from there.

In Canada Ontario and Quebec drove on the right because they had once been French. The other provinces drove on the left. This lasted well into motor vehicle days; the other Canadian provinces changed over in 1921, as cars became more common. They needed all new buses (there weren't many) having doors on the different side.

Czechoslovakia got changed over when the Germans invaded in 1938. Sweden changed over after a lot of planning in 1967.

When the Argentinians invaded the Falkland Islands in 1982 one of their first moves was to change the rule of the road to the right. After they were removed it was changed back again. Most former British colonies (eg India, Australia) still drive on the left.

Should have done a separate thread on this, maybe .....
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Old Dec 4, 2003 | 1:48 pm
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Wherever you posted it, thanks! That's a great bit of information. You learn something everyday on FT

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Old Dec 4, 2003 | 2:03 pm
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Flying Virgin Blue to SYD, we disembarked out the right rear door, walked down some steps and walked into the terminal.

Of course, 95% of people were facing the front, and hardly enough exited via the rear. It was groovy.
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Old Dec 4, 2003 | 2:53 pm
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I seem to remember boarding from the rear of the plane when I flew IAD-OAK on JetBlue last year...

Although this is odd, as I think it was on an A320 and I've never seen anyone else board from the rear on this type of aircraft... Can anyone correct/verify this?
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