musing on sharps and security
Oct 28, 2002 | 11:58 am
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Random screenings, continuous screenings. Random harassment, continuous harassment. Policy of random harassment or constant harassment, it's all the same - the TSA screeners willingly signed onto a job that does harass citizens without probable cause. A truly disgusting, un-American policy no matter how nicely you try to sugar-coat it.
If you like it so much, feel free to empty your bags and spread 'em every time you board a plane. Maybe you ought to do that when you drive to work - pull over and ask someone to search your vehicle and person. I'm sure that will make the country safer.
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"Give me Liberty or give me Death." - Patrick Henry
If you like it so much, feel free to empty your bags and spread 'em every time you board a plane. Maybe you ought to do that when you drive to work - pull over and ask someone to search your vehicle and person. I'm sure that will make the country safer.
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by JetTroop:
I agree they knew what they were getting into when they excepted their job. No doubt about that. But we differ on what we calling it harrasment. I don't feel I've ever been harrassed. And it is their job to search people and bags. I don't get upset when I order french fries at McDonalds and they ask if I want salt or ketchup with that. Nor do I get upset if a TSA worker asks me to step aside for a search. By policy, the TSA does not call them random screenings. They call them continuous. The TSA reps (supervisors) that I've spoken with said, its policy to continully be searching people. Done with one, select the next in line. Much to my luck, I haven't been searched at any of the TSA airports I've visited. After 9-11 and before TSA, I was selected about 50% of the time, because those selections were random and the security agent yanked me. Now it's the airline gate agent.
And that's garbage about true guardians of freedom. Name some true guardians of freedom?</font>
I agree they knew what they were getting into when they excepted their job. No doubt about that. But we differ on what we calling it harrasment. I don't feel I've ever been harrassed. And it is their job to search people and bags. I don't get upset when I order french fries at McDonalds and they ask if I want salt or ketchup with that. Nor do I get upset if a TSA worker asks me to step aside for a search. By policy, the TSA does not call them random screenings. They call them continuous. The TSA reps (supervisors) that I've spoken with said, its policy to continully be searching people. Done with one, select the next in line. Much to my luck, I haven't been searched at any of the TSA airports I've visited. After 9-11 and before TSA, I was selected about 50% of the time, because those selections were random and the security agent yanked me. Now it's the airline gate agent.
And that's garbage about true guardians of freedom. Name some true guardians of freedom?</font>
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Oct 28, 2002 | 12:14 pm
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You just lumped all the military in the same boat as Hitler. Come on, that's WAY to harsh.
I drive 2 hours each way to work for free to work as local cop a couple of times each month. No pay, no nothing. Just hassling from people who think I'm violating them in some way or that they own me because they pay taxes. Well..guess what. My gun, my gear, my time. Does that make me a true guardian? Probably not, huh.
You're traveling on a private airplane. If you don't like the rules, don't fly. It's as simple as that. You're in a space with around 100 other people who don't know you and certainly don't trust you. When you invade my space or put me and my family at risk, I could care less about how you feel harassed or searched. Get searched. Be fair, search us all.
I want to live and being subject to search while flying with 1000's of other people doesn't bother me. I dont deserve to die because you feel you have the right to fly with us, the traveling public, and not be subject to tight security. What gives you that right? When it's in your house or your car, it's your business. When you're in public, it's all of our business.
And, this is totally a side note. Lumping the military in with Hilter is a bad thing. You really should take that back.
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I drive 2 hours each way to work for free to work as local cop a couple of times each month. No pay, no nothing. Just hassling from people who think I'm violating them in some way or that they own me because they pay taxes. Well..guess what. My gun, my gear, my time. Does that make me a true guardian? Probably not, huh.
You're traveling on a private airplane. If you don't like the rules, don't fly. It's as simple as that. You're in a space with around 100 other people who don't know you and certainly don't trust you. When you invade my space or put me and my family at risk, I could care less about how you feel harassed or searched. Get searched. Be fair, search us all.
I want to live and being subject to search while flying with 1000's of other people doesn't bother me. I dont deserve to die because you feel you have the right to fly with us, the traveling public, and not be subject to tight security. What gives you that right? When it's in your house or your car, it's your business. When you're in public, it's all of our business.
And, this is totally a side note. Lumping the military in with Hilter is a bad thing. You really should take that back.
[This message has been edited by JetTroop (edited 10-28-2002).]
Oct 28, 2002 | 12:47 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Spiff:
It's all well and good to serve in the military, but then again Adolph Hitler was a corporal in the army.
Guardians of Freedom refers more to those who founded this nation and whose works help keep it free. The Founding Fathers of this nation would likely have the TSA immediately disbanded for their abuse of citizens. Anyone who restricts rather than preserves people's freedoms in the name of "safety" or "security" deserves no less than deportation to a country with neither.
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It's all well and good to serve in the military, but then again Adolph Hitler was a corporal in the army.
Guardians of Freedom refers more to those who founded this nation and whose works help keep it free. The Founding Fathers of this nation would likely have the TSA immediately disbanded for their abuse of citizens. Anyone who restricts rather than preserves people's freedoms in the name of "safety" or "security" deserves no less than deportation to a country with neither.
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Oct 28, 2002 | 12:49 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Spiff:
It's all well and good to serve in the military, but then again Adolph Hitler was a corporal in the army.
Guardians of Freedom refers more to those who founded this nation and whose works help keep it free. The Founding Fathers of this nation would likely have the TSA immediately disbanded for their abuse of citizens. Anyone who restricts rather than preserves people's freedoms in the name of "safety" or "security" deserves no less than deportation to a country with neither.
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It's all well and good to serve in the military, but then again Adolph Hitler was a corporal in the army.
Guardians of Freedom refers more to those who founded this nation and whose works help keep it free. The Founding Fathers of this nation would likely have the TSA immediately disbanded for their abuse of citizens. Anyone who restricts rather than preserves people's freedoms in the name of "safety" or "security" deserves no less than deportation to a country with neither.
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Oct 28, 2002 | 12:52 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by JetTroop:
You just lumped all the military in the same boat as Hitler. Come on, that's WAY to harsh.
I drive 2 hours each way to work for free to work as local cop a couple of times each month. No pay, no nothing. Just hassling from people who think I'm violating them in some way or that they own me because they pay taxes. Well..guess what. My gun, my gear, my time. Does that make me a true guardian? Probably not, huh.
You're traveling on a private airplane. If you don't like the rules, don't fly. It's as simple as that. You're in a space with around 100 other people who don't know you and certainly don't trust you. When you invade my space or put me and my family at risk, I could care less about how you feel harassed or searched. Get searched. Be fair, search us all.
I want to live and being subject to search while flying with 1000's of other people doesn't bother me. I dont deserve to die because you feel you have the right to fly with us, the traveling public, and not be subject to tight security. What gives you that right? When it's in your house or your car, it's your business. When you're in public, it's all of our business.
And, this is totally a side note. Lumping the military in with Hilter is a bad thing. You really should take that back.
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You just lumped all the military in the same boat as Hitler. Come on, that's WAY to harsh.
I drive 2 hours each way to work for free to work as local cop a couple of times each month. No pay, no nothing. Just hassling from people who think I'm violating them in some way or that they own me because they pay taxes. Well..guess what. My gun, my gear, my time. Does that make me a true guardian? Probably not, huh.
You're traveling on a private airplane. If you don't like the rules, don't fly. It's as simple as that. You're in a space with around 100 other people who don't know you and certainly don't trust you. When you invade my space or put me and my family at risk, I could care less about how you feel harassed or searched. Get searched. Be fair, search us all.
I want to live and being subject to search while flying with 1000's of other people doesn't bother me. I dont deserve to die because you feel you have the right to fly with us, the traveling public, and not be subject to tight security. What gives you that right? When it's in your house or your car, it's your business. When you're in public, it's all of our business.
And, this is totally a side note. Lumping the military in with Hilter is a bad thing. You really should take that back.
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Oct 28, 2002 | 12:55 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Spiff:
It's all well and good to serve in the military, but then again Adolph Hitler was a corporal in the army.
Guardians of Freedom refers more to those who founded this nation and whose works help keep it free. The Founding Fathers of this nation would likely have the TSA immediately disbanded for their abuse of citizens. Anyone who restricts rather than preserves people's freedoms in the name of "safety" or "security" deserves no less than deportation to a country with neither.
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It's all well and good to serve in the military, but then again Adolph Hitler was a corporal in the army.
Guardians of Freedom refers more to those who founded this nation and whose works help keep it free. The Founding Fathers of this nation would likely have the TSA immediately disbanded for their abuse of citizens. Anyone who restricts rather than preserves people's freedoms in the name of "safety" or "security" deserves no less than deportation to a country with neither.
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Oct 28, 2002 | 12:58 pm
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No, your imaginitive little mind did the lumping there. You listed some people who served in the military who work at the airport. Ergo, someone working at the airport who was in the military must be patriotic or have the country's best interests in mind. All I did was point out that serving in the military does not necessarily make one patriotic, for one of the most evil fascist dictators of all time served in the military too.
Actually, we are talking about common carriers here, not private transportation. Private transportation is like renting a charter plane where you and all the other people who think that making the flying experience akin to a humiliating experience in searches without probable cause can get together and pat each other on the back about how safe your own private Idaho is.
And your mindless, "don't like it, don't fly" statement is exactly what many business travelers are doing, which is contributing to the financial ruin of the airlines. All this just so that reactionary cowards can feel safer that there are no hockey sticks on board the airplane.
We all want to live. Live freely, that is. Why don't we search everyone who leaves their home for any reason? It will make us so much safer and all of us will live longer! Why don't we search everyone's home from time to time? It will make us so much safer and everyone will live longer! And tight security? Well then, why don't we administer a good rectal cavity search to each traveler? There's some nice tight security that is bound to please! And make things _so much safer_.
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Actually, we are talking about common carriers here, not private transportation. Private transportation is like renting a charter plane where you and all the other people who think that making the flying experience akin to a humiliating experience in searches without probable cause can get together and pat each other on the back about how safe your own private Idaho is.
And your mindless, "don't like it, don't fly" statement is exactly what many business travelers are doing, which is contributing to the financial ruin of the airlines. All this just so that reactionary cowards can feel safer that there are no hockey sticks on board the airplane.
We all want to live. Live freely, that is. Why don't we search everyone who leaves their home for any reason? It will make us so much safer and all of us will live longer! Why don't we search everyone's home from time to time? It will make us so much safer and everyone will live longer! And tight security? Well then, why don't we administer a good rectal cavity search to each traveler? There's some nice tight security that is bound to please! And make things _so much safer_.
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by JetTroop:
You just lumped all the military in the same boat as Hitler. Come on, that's WAY to harsh.
I drive 2 hours each way to work for free to work as local cop a couple of times each month. No pay, no nothing. Just hassling from people who think I'm violating them in some way or that they own me because they pay taxes. Well..guess what. My gun, my gear, my time. Does that make me a true guardian? Probably not, huh.
You're traveling on a private airplane. If you don't like the rules, don't fly. It's as simple as that. You're in a space with around 100 other people who don't know you and certainly don't trust you. When you invade my space or put me and my family at risk, I could care less about how you feel harassed or searched. Get searched. Be fair, search us all.
I want to live and being subject to search while flying with 1000's of other people doesn't bother me. I dont deserve to die because you feel you have the right to fly with us, the traveling public, and not be subject to tight security. What gives you that right? When it's in your house or your car, it's your business. When you're in public, it's all of our business.
And, this is totally a side note. Lumping the military in with Hilter is a bad thing. You really should take that back.
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You just lumped all the military in the same boat as Hitler. Come on, that's WAY to harsh.
I drive 2 hours each way to work for free to work as local cop a couple of times each month. No pay, no nothing. Just hassling from people who think I'm violating them in some way or that they own me because they pay taxes. Well..guess what. My gun, my gear, my time. Does that make me a true guardian? Probably not, huh.
You're traveling on a private airplane. If you don't like the rules, don't fly. It's as simple as that. You're in a space with around 100 other people who don't know you and certainly don't trust you. When you invade my space or put me and my family at risk, I could care less about how you feel harassed or searched. Get searched. Be fair, search us all.
I want to live and being subject to search while flying with 1000's of other people doesn't bother me. I dont deserve to die because you feel you have the right to fly with us, the traveling public, and not be subject to tight security. What gives you that right? When it's in your house or your car, it's your business. When you're in public, it's all of our business.
And, this is totally a side note. Lumping the military in with Hilter is a bad thing. You really should take that back.
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Oct 28, 2002 | 1:00 pm
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"I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person."
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Rattler:
And who and the HELL are you to have "Give us liberty or give us death" Doesn't sound like you have given anything to preserve liberty, except a big mouth!</font>
And who and the HELL are you to have "Give us liberty or give us death" Doesn't sound like you have given anything to preserve liberty, except a big mouth!</font>
Oct 28, 2002 | 1:05 pm
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Umm...I didn't mention any mindless statement about your signature. If you're going to insult me, do it with something I say, not someone else. Thanks. I'd give you the same courtesy.
Anywho, they are private companies persay, not government. Therefore, your expectation of privacy is vastly different. The TSA security screeners are not law enforcement officials and therefore your rights are lessoned greatly. If you were to see a law enforcement officer searching for no reason, then you have a good right to gripe. In fact, you should contact a lawyer. Perhaps your rights have been violated already. That's not my expertise so I can't really comment for certain.
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Anywho, they are private companies persay, not government. Therefore, your expectation of privacy is vastly different. The TSA security screeners are not law enforcement officials and therefore your rights are lessoned greatly. If you were to see a law enforcement officer searching for no reason, then you have a good right to gripe. In fact, you should contact a lawyer. Perhaps your rights have been violated already. That's not my expertise so I can't really comment for certain.
[This message has been edited by JetTroop (edited 10-28-2002).]
Oct 28, 2002 | 1:30 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Spiff:
"I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person."
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"I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person."
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Oct 28, 2002 | 2:35 pm
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My God, where is that banjo music coming from?
If you'd like to contribute to the discussion, fine, please do so. Otherwise, your inane comments like "And who and the HELL are you to have "Give us liberty or give us death" " really don't add anything of value here.
As for security and freedom, that price was paid long ago when this nation was established and our Constitution was written. However, now some people want to trade that freedom for safety, or at least the illusion of it. If you're going to start stripping away people's personal liberties every time the terrorists strike, you might as well just chuck the entire American way of life into the trash and practice goosestepping. Are you going to let the terrorists dictate to us what freedoms we can and cannot have? Are you willing to let the terrorists continue to economically attack commercial aviation in the United States by suporting a "random security" policy that drives profitible customers away?
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If you'd like to contribute to the discussion, fine, please do so. Otherwise, your inane comments like "And who and the HELL are you to have "Give us liberty or give us death" " really don't add anything of value here.
As for security and freedom, that price was paid long ago when this nation was established and our Constitution was written. However, now some people want to trade that freedom for safety, or at least the illusion of it. If you're going to start stripping away people's personal liberties every time the terrorists strike, you might as well just chuck the entire American way of life into the trash and practice goosestepping. Are you going to let the terrorists dictate to us what freedoms we can and cannot have? Are you willing to let the terrorists continue to economically attack commercial aviation in the United States by suporting a "random security" policy that drives profitible customers away?
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Rattler:
Oh, did you just get out of the flaming class? You can't have security OR freedom with out a price. But I wouldn't expect you to understand that.</font>
Oh, did you just get out of the flaming class? You can't have security OR freedom with out a price. But I wouldn't expect you to understand that.</font>
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Oct 28, 2002 | 2:43 pm
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What in the world are you talking about? The TSA, aka the Transportation Security Administration, is a government agency, not a private one. It was established by and is funded by the United States government and paid for with US citizens' tax dollars.
Why should my rights be "lessened" just because I am in an airport? Airports are public places, not private country clubs! Is this some magical place where civil liberties no longer exist? If it is not un-American to harass people in an airport, why is it un-American to harass people in the street? If you're walking along, minding your own business, how would you like it if you and your belongings were searched by a policeman for no reason? "Don't worry, we're continuously searching people, so that makes it ok." How about random searches of your car, say 1 per day? You could really be up to no good in it! Where do we draw the line? Is your home next?
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Why should my rights be "lessened" just because I am in an airport? Airports are public places, not private country clubs! Is this some magical place where civil liberties no longer exist? If it is not un-American to harass people in an airport, why is it un-American to harass people in the street? If you're walking along, minding your own business, how would you like it if you and your belongings were searched by a policeman for no reason? "Don't worry, we're continuously searching people, so that makes it ok." How about random searches of your car, say 1 per day? You could really be up to no good in it! Where do we draw the line? Is your home next?
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by JetTroop:
Anywho, they are private companies persay, not government. Therefore, your expectation of privacy is vastly different. The TSA security screeners are not law enforcement officials and therefore your rights are lessoned greatly. If you were to see a law enforcement officer searching for no reason, then you have a good right to gripe. In fact, you should contact a lawyer. Perhaps your rights have been violated already. That's not my expertise so I can't really comment for certain.
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Anywho, they are private companies persay, not government. Therefore, your expectation of privacy is vastly different. The TSA security screeners are not law enforcement officials and therefore your rights are lessoned greatly. If you were to see a law enforcement officer searching for no reason, then you have a good right to gripe. In fact, you should contact a lawyer. Perhaps your rights have been violated already. That's not my expertise so I can't really comment for certain.
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Oct 28, 2002 | 3:09 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Spiff:
What in the world are you talking about? The TSA, aka the Transportation Security Administration, is a government agency, not a private one. It was established by and is funded by the United States government and paid for with US citizens' tax dollars.</font>
What in the world are you talking about? The TSA, aka the Transportation Security Administration, is a government agency, not a private one. It was established by and is funded by the United States government and paid for with US citizens' tax dollars.</font>
DUH?! I was talking about the airlines, not the TSA. My fault for not explaining. Yeah, yeah..whatever about the stock and them being public, they are owned by tax dollars (well..in a round about way they are lately..). They aren't government agencies. Flying on an airline doesn't inherantly give you rights. Not when the security of 100 other people come into question. You walking down the street and you flying in an airplane are drasticly different. We dont have government security agents searching street walkers. We let law enforcement officers search people and they can do so under certain rights. Therefore, we dont subject everyone to search. In fact, you don't have to be subjected to it at all but you can't fly then.
I mean, honestly, if you're that upset your rights are being violated, then stop getting them violated and don't fly. When other people can be effected by you, people generally could care less. You can't have totally freedom and security without a price. Somewhere along the line, you'll have to pay for something. Ask the 3000 or so people missing members of their what they are willing or not be willing to subject themselves to flying. Do you think they really care about you or that your feelings are hurt what you feel is a violation of your rights? It's your opinion. My opinion is different and you know what? I understand that. I respect your opinion but I disagree with it.
Oct 28, 2002 | 5:11 pm
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Thank you for clarifying that.
However, the airlines are not private country clubs, either. They are common carriers and do not have the right to arbitrarily refuse service to anyone.
Also, the airlines are unwilling participants in this disgraceful "random security" thrust upon them by the US Government. Don Carty has described random gate screenings as being "nuts". Leo Mullin and Gordon Bethune have also questioned the value of the TSA's idiotic policies.
Hey, I drive on the roads every day and everyone's safety is at stake. Shall we search every 5th car every day, just like border crossings? "Sorry about your need to get to work, but we need to make sure everyone is SAFE". Or search every 10th pedestrian because we all share the streets? "Sorry to ruin your stroll in the park, but we have to be SAFE."
Sorry all those people were murdered by the hijackers, but that's no excuse for scrapping the principles upon which this nation was founded. We can't ask the dead their opinion, but I sure as hell wouldn't want America to change due to the whims of my murderer.
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However, the airlines are not private country clubs, either. They are common carriers and do not have the right to arbitrarily refuse service to anyone.
Also, the airlines are unwilling participants in this disgraceful "random security" thrust upon them by the US Government. Don Carty has described random gate screenings as being "nuts". Leo Mullin and Gordon Bethune have also questioned the value of the TSA's idiotic policies.
Hey, I drive on the roads every day and everyone's safety is at stake. Shall we search every 5th car every day, just like border crossings? "Sorry about your need to get to work, but we need to make sure everyone is SAFE". Or search every 10th pedestrian because we all share the streets? "Sorry to ruin your stroll in the park, but we have to be SAFE."
Sorry all those people were murdered by the hijackers, but that's no excuse for scrapping the principles upon which this nation was founded. We can't ask the dead their opinion, but I sure as hell wouldn't want America to change due to the whims of my murderer.
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by JetTroop:
The TSA is a government agency? Holy crud, I've been wrong the whole time.
DUH?! I was talking about the airlines, not the TSA. My fault for not explaining. Yeah, yeah..whatever about the stock and them being public, they are owned by tax dollars (well..in a round about way they are lately..). They aren't government agencies. Flying on an airline doesn't inherantly give you rights. Not when the security of 100 other people come into question. You walking down the street and you flying in an airplane are drasticly different. We dont have government security agents searching street walkers. We let law enforcement officers search people and they can do so under certain rights. Therefore, we dont subject everyone to search. In fact, you don't have to be subjected to it at all but you can't fly then.
I mean, honestly, if you're that upset your rights are being violated, then stop getting them violated and don't fly. When other people can be effected by you, people generally could care less. You can't have totally freedom and security without a price. Somewhere along the line, you'll have to pay for something. Ask the 3000 or so people missing members of their what they are willing or not be willing to subject themselves to flying. Do you think they really care about you or that your feelings are hurt what you feel is a violation of your rights? It's your opinion. My opinion is different and you know what? I understand that. I respect your opinion but I disagree with it.</font>
The TSA is a government agency? Holy crud, I've been wrong the whole time.
DUH?! I was talking about the airlines, not the TSA. My fault for not explaining. Yeah, yeah..whatever about the stock and them being public, they are owned by tax dollars (well..in a round about way they are lately..). They aren't government agencies. Flying on an airline doesn't inherantly give you rights. Not when the security of 100 other people come into question. You walking down the street and you flying in an airplane are drasticly different. We dont have government security agents searching street walkers. We let law enforcement officers search people and they can do so under certain rights. Therefore, we dont subject everyone to search. In fact, you don't have to be subjected to it at all but you can't fly then.
I mean, honestly, if you're that upset your rights are being violated, then stop getting them violated and don't fly. When other people can be effected by you, people generally could care less. You can't have totally freedom and security without a price. Somewhere along the line, you'll have to pay for something. Ask the 3000 or so people missing members of their what they are willing or not be willing to subject themselves to flying. Do you think they really care about you or that your feelings are hurt what you feel is a violation of your rights? It's your opinion. My opinion is different and you know what? I understand that. I respect your opinion but I disagree with it.</font>
"Give me Liberty or give me Death." - Patrick Henry
[This message has been edited by Spiff (edited 10-28-2002).]
Sep 2, 2003 | 4:20 pm
#45
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: San antonio, Texas, USA
Posts: 1
I am an employee of the TSA and find a few of the postings disturbing to say the least. The traveling public has no idea how many holes there are in the system. I am merely trying to plug the largest. I have the daunting task to ensure that when your husbands, wives, sons, daughters, and significant others board there plane, that there aren't any potential weapons available to repeat the tragedy that occurred on September 11th 2001. I am aware that there are problems in the system, I am sure your employer had problems within it's organization in the beginning. Also understand, I take no pleasure in harrassing anyone, let alone my fellow Americans. I am an eleven year Army Infantry Veteran of two campaigns, injured during the June 1996 bombing of Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia. I think I have more than served my country with distinction. Let us work out the flaws, don't look at it as being inconvenienced to undergo screening, look upon it as you doing your civic duty to your God and Country. Our screeners are amongst the finest people I have had the honor to serve with (minus a few of course), don't let our bad apples spoil your opinion of us all. I promise no one will lose there life because of passenger screening (or lack thereof) from my airport. God Bless All.
A TSA Screener
A TSA Screener