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Old Aug 21, 2003 | 10:22 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by braslvr:
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MUC??? Why?
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Old Aug 21, 2003 | 11:24 pm
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Another post about MUC ... I've never had a problem there. What's the charge?
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Old Aug 22, 2003 | 4:24 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by essxjay:
Another post about MUC ... I've never had a problem there. What's the charge?</font>
I like the airport but it sucks when you have to take buses to get to the terminal after an intercontinental flight.
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Old Aug 22, 2003 | 4:32 am
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MIA, MIA and MIA again. What a hole. What chaos and some of the rudest people I've ever met.

RUH (Riyadh, Saudi Arabia) comes close - nice building but a terrible, inefficient airport.

BOM and DEL are not that special either, especially at 2am as the main bank of European flights go out. 5 out of the 7 circles I'd say.

The domestic terminal at VTE (Vientiane, Laos) is pretty deficient too.

I've never connected through LHR (living 15 miles away I've no need to), but it's not bad for O&D.
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Old Aug 22, 2003 | 6:20 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by essxjay:
Another post about MUC ... I've never had a problem there. What's the charge?</font>

Old timers hate the place. No elder carts, and miles and miles of aisles.

Getting off a trans europe to a trans atlantic that is at the next gate still requires at least 15 minutes of fast walking to get through the immigration screen.
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Old Aug 22, 2003 | 11:16 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by NickP 1K:
MUC??? Why?</font>
Maybe I haven't seen enough of it......
I arrived on LH from SFO, then transferred to a LH RJ to AMS. Signage was terrible. The arrival area was extremely disorganized, esp the passport check area. After clearing that, was basically herded down an elevated walkway to what I guess you would call a commuter terminal, which was one of the most crowded, dirty, disorganized areas I've ever seen in an airport. Was I just on the "wrong side of the tracks" so to speak?
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Old Aug 22, 2003 | 1:46 pm
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IMHO, Domestically, LAX and MIA have to be the worst, and enough has been said on here already about them
DEN follows a close 3rd, with any NY airport making up the other 2 spots.
Are we also forgetting IAD with those intolerably long immigration waits and those &%#?@ shuttles that run between terminals

Internationally, LHR has got to be one of the worst. Having to take the bus at NRT after consistently seeming to miss a gate on SEA-NRT UA flights loses its appeal after a while
GRU is a bit of a dump, but GIG has to be one of the worst in Brasil. BKK is in dire need of a makeover.

As far as International favorites go...AKl and HKG rank right up there, along with KUL.
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Old Aug 22, 2003 | 3:16 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Blumie:

3. The old Denver Stapleton. Do you see a theme here? I like the older, close-in airports for their convenience.

Least Favorite:

1. The new Denver airport. Isn't it false advertising to have "Denver" in the name? How much time does one need to alot from when the door of the plane is opened until one gets on the train, gets out of the airport, gets in a cab, and after an interminable drive, gets anywhere close to downtown Denver?
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I find it very interesting that there are numerous complaints about the distance from DIA (DEN) to Downtown. ORD is farther away from downtown Chicago, yet nobody complains about the distance. DIA is serviced by roads that almost never have traffic backups, unlike every other major airport in the country. The only place that it takes longer to get to the DIA from in the Denver area is downtown. It is amazing how people forget about the traffic jams from I70 to Stapleton. It could easily take you the 15-20 minutes that Pena Blvd takes to drive. The terminals were cramped and dingy at Stapleton. Consider that the major source of money coming into Colorado is tied to the ski areas and mountains. It takes the same amount of time to drive to DIA from Vail now as it did to get from Vail to Stapleton when it was around (due to the afforementioned traffic jams). I do agree that DIA could be closer to Denver, but it is a very good airport in all other aspects.

My list of worst airports:

CVG - it's a pit if you're not flying Delta - and you want middle of nowhere - this is it.
IAD - it's a pit if you're flying any airline
LAX - ditto previous comments - the remote terminal stinks.
CDG - didn't like terminal 1 at all
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Old Aug 22, 2003 | 3:45 pm
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Tods27, you're singing my song! Did you read Woody Paige's column years ago in the Post, which, in summary, said, "the only people who like Stapleton are the people who never use Stapleton!" DIA is a hugh improvement over Stapleton. To call DEN as bad or worse then MIA, DFW, (both of which I have been thru during the last two weeks), or LAX is incredible in my mind.

Your points about lack of traffic and relative distance to downtown vis a vis ORD are right on the money. And when compared with older, closer-to-downtown airports, going thru post 9/11 security hoops is a breeze at DEN when compared to the older, "carry your checked bag over there because we have no place to put our equipment where it is convenient" airports.

For its size, DEN is by far my favorite in the US. I will admit that there are many smaller airports which we all like. But I have always been glad to get back home and have this facility to use.
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Old Aug 22, 2003 | 4:31 pm
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Having arrived, connected, and departed from LAX well over 100 times, all from terminals 6,7,8, and Bradley, I don't see the problem.

Why does everyone hate LAX so much?
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Old Aug 22, 2003 | 4:40 pm
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I'm surprised there isn't more ill-will toward DFW, especially if you're flying AA. They actually have a radio station that rattles off flights and gates because your flight could be departing from one of *3* terminals and in some cases a 4th satellite terminal. Making your connection is akin to running a marathon, and sometimes you just can't make it from one gate to another in time.

If you have a connection and a LOT of time on your hands, you can choose from two exciting alternatives to get you there. The TRAAIN and the SKYWAALK.

The TRAAIN has the uncanny ability at times to make its riders feel like saps the moment they step on it and are underway. The TRAAIN only goes in one direction and has been known to travel at speeds that would give molasses a run for its money. You can literally out run it and in some cases out walk it. This is of course assuming that it's even working at the time.

The other is the SKYWAALK which makes me laugh just thinking about it. It only connects terminals A and B (not C - have to take the TRAAIN for that).

It's a terminal design that feels like one giant afterthought.

The good news is that SkyLink is supposed to replace the TRAAIN entirely. It's under construction.

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Old Aug 22, 2003 | 4:53 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Blumie:
5. ORD. Perhaps I need to try the CTA next time?</font>
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Old Aug 22, 2003 | 6:44 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by braslvr:
It's always fun to see these kinds of threads.

First, I don't judge airports nearly as much on traffic or distance from city center etc. as I do on the interior of the airport itself. As in "which airport would you rather have a 4 hour layover in".

OK, that said, Some of my favorites in no particular order.
Domestic:
ATL
DEN
LAX
MIA
EWR
SAN

International:
AMS
ICN
NRT
SIN
GRU
Most all airports in Brazil except GIG

Most disliked Airports.
Domestic:
ORD
JFK
DFW
DTW
MDT

International:
MNL
MUC
GIG
And probably a lot more that I haven't seen yet

[This message has been edited by braslvr (edited 08-21-2003).]
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DTW???? The old part is nasty, but the new WorldGateway is quite nice. What other terminals have a new Westin that you can duck into, literally right IN the main concourse? F&B is mediocre, agreed, but one doesn't go there to dine.

DTW is easy to maneuver through, nice on the eyes and other senses, etc. Certainly has it's negatives, but to put in on a "worst" list isn't appropriate. (It's former self, as well as the old parts, DO qualify).

"TULSA" gets added to my personal "bad" list.
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Old Aug 22, 2003 | 6:54 pm
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In general, I agree with your assesment of LGA. However, the US Airways shuttle terminal is a notable exception. Getting in and out of there is marvelously easy. I can show up 10 minutes before a flight and not be rushed to make it.

Nuff said.
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Old Aug 22, 2003 | 10:29 pm
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For consistent horrible security lines for the poor non-elite airline program members SEA has to be right up there with the worst of them.
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