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Plane crashes into the World Trade Ctr

Old Mar 5, 2002, 6:49 pm
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Plane crashes into the World Trade Ctr

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Plane crashes into the World Trade Ctr, tower 1?

Reports are that it is a purposeful attack on the buiding, possibly by a DC-3!

And now reports are that another twin engine jet has done the same to tower 2?

All aircraft operations in the area have been suspended now according to the LGA tower!

Is this actually really happening?!


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Hey Doc,

Another plane just hit tower 2.

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I saw!

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Smoke poured out of a gaping hole in the upper floors of the World Trade Center on Tuesday and there were broadcast reports a plane had struck it.

There was no immediate word on injuries or fatalities in the disaster, which happened shortly before 9 a.m.

``The plane was coming in low and ... it looked like it hit at a slight angle,'' said Sean Murtagh, a CNN vice president, the network reported.

Large holes were visible in two sides of the 110-story building, one of landmark twin towers.

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...IRE-PLAN2.html

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...WIRE-PLAN.html

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On a perfectly clear day, out of the blue. Eyewitness reports are that no evasive action appeared to have been taken to avoid the structure.

Now the FBI has been called in.

No word yet from city officials.

No word yet on where the flights originated or wre headed.

Perhaps it was a DC-9? In any case, these are NOT small aircraft!

This is so incredibly sad!


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REVISED

It looks as if something shot out of 1 building into the other. Some massive fire.

It is suggested that a 737 crashed into the building.

It's a sunny morning in New York.

The first tower looks as if the plane crashed into the top 15 floors.

Now it is a suggested a 2nd plane crashed. WAIT...
It WAS a 2nd plane.

On purpose?

Reports to follow. Now hijacking is suggested.

This is a dark day in NY.

Dan

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This is horrible!! TWO planes one after the other!!! Anyone know yet what airlines?

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Originally posted by knit-in:
This is horrible!! TWO planes one after the other!!! Anyone know yet what airlines?
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ABC on air just speculated that an eyewitness thought it was UA. (the second one)

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Reports are saying that one was a hijacked AA flight

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All flight operations have ceased now at Teterboro, as well as EWR, JFK and LGA.

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Plane Crashes Into World Trade Center

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/nati...ter-Crash.html

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Reports say now that one or both aircraft we highjacked and that it was a suicide mission!


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TV News pictures look like some kind of Stephen Speilberg fake set mock-up. How sad - these do NOT look like small planes were involved?

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Airline analysts are now saying (and I kinda agree, due to the nose shape.. most visible on ABC btw.) Airbus 319/320.

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In addition to "sterilizing" the air space, now the Holland and Lincoln Tunnel are now closed as well.

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One was an AA 767 that took off from Boston.

Saw Bush declare it was an act of terrorism.

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The city is now reportedly sealed off entirely and there is also essentially no cell phone service either. The CNN website is overwhelmed. Lines are 50-100 deep at the street phones. All NYC fireman have been called in. This is a diaster of truly epic proportions!

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AA doesn't fly 767s from Boston to NYC! Seems like it was definitely brought in!
This is SO tragic! My wife saw the second one go in as she was watching the first crash from her window at 1 NY plaza...

I haven't been able to speak to her since. Phone lines are jammed. They said on the news that they were closing down everything in Manhattan.

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Even the subway trains have now been stopped. There is an ongoing FULL TERRORISM ALERT!

I'd surely cancel ANY plans you have in NYC today for sure!

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40,000 folks work in those Towers.

In a rather chilling co-incidence, the Doc thread under this one is titled: "Lockerbie Trial Verdict: 1 Defendant Guilty, the Other Freed."

Ted Kennedy claims the AA 767 was hijacked from Boston.

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LOOKS LIKE A PLANE HAS CRASHED INTO THE PENTAGON AS WELL???????????

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Now a bomb at the Pentagon!

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One of the highjacked aircraft reportedly came out of Boston.

And now an aircraft has crashed into the PENTAGON!

The saga continues!


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There's a report of an explosion at the Pentagon now.

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I can see the smoke from the pentagon from my office window. I'd say we're at war, folks...

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I'm guessing one was AA flight 11 BOS-LAX, 1 767-200. OAG flight status http://www.oag.com/web/default.asp says flight status not available.

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I just heard all airports, tunnels and bridges in NYC are now closed.

AA and UA aircraft were both reported hi-jacked out of BOS.

Now there seems to be quite a bit of smoke coming out of the Pentagon.

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All takeoffs in the US are now halted!

The Capitol has also been evacuated.

And yes reports are that at least one was an AA aircraft.


Now, in Chicago, the Sears Trade tower was also being evacuated as well as a precaution.

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Fox News now reports ALL aircraft nationwide have been grounded.

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FAA has just grounded ALL air traffic NATIONWIDE.

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No planes in the US are allowed to take off at this time -- still landing, but not taking off.

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There is no good spin on this, but the twin towers diaster was apparently about 8.45am. Can only have been worse tragedy after all staff arrived, and the usual huge numbers of tourists.

Pantagon source says a helicopter seems to have crashed on the Pentagon causing that fireball.

NYSE trading suspended.

ALL AIRPORT MOVEMENT AROUND COUNTRY HAS JUST BEEN SUSPENDED

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The FAA has grounded ALL planes in the USA

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Also an explosion near white house...

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One tower has just collapsed!

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Looks as if one of the building collapsed.

Let's take a moment to say a prayer for all those that were killed.

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Status at ual.com on United 57 IAD-LAX shows it will make an unscheduled landing at Colorado Springs.

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Another link:

http://www.msnbc.com/news/627028.asp

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The windows of my office building just shook ...something just exploded. Fighter jets now patroling over DC...

ITS THE CAPITOL!!!!!!! ****!!!
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Half-hour ago cell phone was still working and land line phone OK but slow dial tone... now have carrier but no connections on cell, battery but no dial tone on reg. phone.

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All non-essential travel of any kind is now reportedly banned in NYC.

All NYC schools with one or two exceptions are open!

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Both towers have collapsed, and explosions heard at the Capitol?

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I just checked the AA.com website, and it says "contact the airline" as the Flight Status for AA 011 .

I hate to ask this, but I guess somebody should:

Do we know of any FTers who were/might have been on that flight???

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Reports are that the second aircraft departed from EWR.

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its AA flight 11, bos-lax tht crashed into the WTC (1st one) its a 767.

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One tower has crashed. The Capitol os OK. Still up.

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Now new reports, unconfirmed, that the State Department has been hit possibly by another crash.

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CO 1002, a 737-800 EWR-LAX, also has "no status." This may be the other aircraft.

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There are now reports that there was another aircraft was hi-jacked out of the DC area.

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Reports are the State Department was victimized by a car bomb.

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All federal offices in the region are being evacuated (fortunately none in my buidling).

Definitely saw smoke near the capitol and near the white house. Now I cant even see across the river due to the smoke from the penatagon.

We've been advised by local authorities to stay off the roads.

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Doc - I heard the car bomb went off outside the White House?

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Reports continue that one was AA #11 BOS-LAX!

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the 2nd building is gone now.

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SECOND TOWER JUST COLLAPSED

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The other tower is now down!

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U.S. fighter jets now tailing a highjacked plane out of PIT.

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Both towers have now collasped!

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<<< crying.

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Originally posted by avek00:
I hate to ask this, but I guess somebody should:

Do we know of any FTers who were/might have been on that flight???
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You're definitely not the only one wondering this. I dread our hearing additional horrible news regarding this tragedy.

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Unconfirmed reports that a 747 is down in Pennsylvania.

Part of the Pentagon has collapsed.

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A HUGE (personal) ****ing sigh of relief as one of my colleagues just walked in the door....his plane was on the tarmac at DCA when the plane hit the pentagon...

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Yes, a large aircraft has crashed in Somerset County, ie Western PA, near Pittsburgh!

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confirmed report that a large plane has crashed in western PA

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A large aircraft has crashed in Somerset County, PA, according to Fox. This is just awful.

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Plane apparently crashed in Somerset County Airport, PA

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767 down near PIT, not 747

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Wow. This definitely feels like war.
I work in an office building right next to the Pittsburgh airport. It's very unsettling.

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It is a war zone here!

Explosions and fire and smoke all around. Running for your life, literally. Tears and crying everywhere!

Reporters gasping for air.

Their voices reflecting the peril and fear.

The wonderful NYC skyline is alterated with rising plumbs of smoke where the Twin Towers once stood.

Truly a day of infamy.

I recall the last attack and this is SO VERY MUCH WORSE THAT I CANT EVEN DESCRIBE IT!

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ANOTHER hijaked plane in heading for Pentagon as we speak I just heard.

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From Planebusiness.com:

SABRE has confirmed that the two that hit the WTC were both American Airlines flights,

Flight 11 (BOS-LAX) 767
Flight 77 (IAD-LAX) 757

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World Trade Center collapses in terrorist attack; Washington hit by coordinated attacks

By JERRY SCHWARTZ
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9/11/01 10:39 AM


NEW YORK (AP) -- In a horrific sequence of destruction, terrorists crashed two planes into the World Trade Center and the twin 110-story towers collapsed Tuesday morning. Explosions also rocked the Pentagon and the State Department and spread fear across the nation.

The fate of those in the twin skyscrapers was not immediately known. Authorities had been trying to evacuate the 50,000 people who work in the twin towers, but many were thought to be trapped.

President Bush ordered a full-scale investigation to "hunt down the folks who committed this act."

One of the planes that crashed into the Trade Center was American Airlines Flight 11, hijacked after takeoff from Boston en route to Los Angeles, American Airlines said.

The planes blasted fiery, gaping holes in the upper floors of the twin towers. A witness said he saw bodies falling from the twin towers and people jumping out. About an hour later, the southern tower collapsed with a roar a huge cloud of smoke; the other tower fell about a half-hour after that.

"This is perhaps the most audacious terrorist attack that's ever taken place in the world," said Chris Yates, an aviation expert at Jane's Transport in London. "It takes a logistics operation from the terror group involved that is second to none. Only a very small handful of terror groups is on that list. ... I would name at the top of the list Osama Bin Laden."

All planes were grounded across the country by the Federal Aviation Administration. All bridges and tunnels into Manhattan were closed down.

The twin disaster at the World Trade Center happened shortly before 9 a.m. and then right around 9 a.m.

Heavy black smoke billowed into the sky above the gaping holes in the side of the twin towers, one of New York City's most famous landmarks, and debris rained down upon the street, one of the city's busiest work areas. When the second plane hit, a fireball of flame and smoke erupted, leaving a huge hole in the glass and steel tower.

John Axisa, who was getting off a PATH train to the World Trade Center, said he saw "bodies falling out" of the building. He said he ran outside, and watched people jump out of the first building, and then there was a second explosion, and he felt heat on the back of neck.

WCBS-TV, citing an FBI agent, said five or six people jumped out of the windows. People screamed every time another person leaped.

David Reck was handing out literature for a candidate for public advocate a few blocks away when he saw a jet come in "very low, and then it made a slight twist and dove into the building."

People ran down the stairs in panic and fled the building. Thousands of pieces of what appeared to be office paper came drifting over Brooklyn, about three miles away.

Within the hour, an aircraft crashed on a helicopter landing pad near the Pentagon, a car bomb exploded outside the State Department, and the West Wing of the White House was evacuated amid threats of terrorism. And another explosion rocked New York about an hour after the crash.

"Today we've had a national tragedy," Bush said in Sarasota, Fla. "Two airplanes have crashed into the World Trade Center in an apparent terrorist attack on our country." He said he would be returning immediately to Washington.

Terrorist bombers struck the World Trade Center in February 1993, killing six people and injuring more than 1,000 others.

"A second occurrence is just beyond belief," said Ira Furber, former National Transportation Safety Board spokesman.

Several subway lines were immediately shut down Tuesday. Trading on Wall Street was suspended.

"We heard a large boom and then we saw all this debris just falling," said Harriet Grimm, who was inside a bookstore on the World Trade Center's first floor when the first explosion rocked the building.

"The plane was coming in low and ... it looked like it hit at a slight angle," said Sean Murtagh, a CNN vice president, the network reported.

In 1945, an Army Air Corps B-25, a twin-engine bomber, crashed into the 79th floor of the Empire State Building in dense fog.

In Florida, Bush was reading to children in a classroom at 9:05 a.m. when his chief of staff, Andrew Card, whispered into his ear. The president briefly turned somber before he resumed reading. He addressed the tragedy about a half-hour later.


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Is this real or just a bad dream???????????????

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Yassar Arafat has condemned these attacks.
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Old Mar 5, 2002, 6:51 pm
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Time for action, folks. Get to the bloodmobiles and give as much as you can spare, there's sure to be shortages of blood and other supplies. Lets pull together and help in any way we can. Give blood and anything else you think may help. God bless US.

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Sadly, it is real!

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A senior official from the radical Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine denied Tuesday the group had any connection to a double plane crash onto New York City's World Trade Center.

An anonymous caller had told Abu Dhabi television the DFLP was behind the crash.

``I emphasize that the story released on Abu Dhabi TV by an anonymous person is totally incorrect,'' Tayseer Khaled, a senior official from the DFLP politburo in the Palestinian territories, told Reuters.

``The DFLP is against hijacking planes and against endangering the lives of civilians who are not connected with the struggle of this region,'' he said.

http://www.newyorktimes.com/reuters/...ter-claim.html

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Buildings in downtown San Francisco are being evacuated and shut down.

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They are now saying a United flight has just crashed at Camp David.

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Mayor Juliani is speaking now and they are evacuating all of lower Manhattan.

Very little new info.

The primary election was naturally cancelled.

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The "bunker" was cordoned off & the crisis center was moved above Canal to Greenich Village.

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No warnings, no threats according to him.

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He urges, naturally, to remain calm - and move uptown, ie north!

Other links:

http://www.msnbc.com/news/default_asp.htm

http://www.msnbc.com/news/627028.asp

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/11/co...WIRE-PLAN.html


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Let me assure you that with all the fighter aircraft now orbiting in the area, there is no way any other targets in or near DC will be struck from the air by commerical aircraft...

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According to CBS, today is the anniversary of the Camp David accord..

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Thanks for the updates, folks -- I am at work, no TV or radio, major media websites useless.

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And now reportedly Camp David, MD has also been hit by another aircraft crash!


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Time for action, folks. Get to the bloodmobiles and give as much as you can spare, there's sure to be shortages of blood and other supplies. Lets pull together and help in any way we can. Give blood and anything else you think may help. God bless US.
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There is a major blood shortage - this is the best way that you can help.


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AA will make a statement at 11:30 am.

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All military is on alert -- at least here I presume elsewhere -- as all federal buildings closed

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Early reports say the Camp David...It was a United Aircraft, flight 93, EWR-SFO.

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You might want to join chat. They are trying to update ASAP from all networks.

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At this time they are reporting 4 aircraft hi-jacking.

AA 11
AA 77
UA 175
UA 93

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Suffice it to say, that the world is a changed place today!

I'm home, and I just can't imagine how the tourists must feel.

We are seemingly literally at war with an unnamed enemy!

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Reports are that it was a UA flight that crashed at Camp David.

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How many aircrafts have gone down now?
these are the most terrible tragedies ever. can't stop crying here in NY. Hope all near and dear ones are doing well.
Both towers are gone now...

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Flight were to be diverted to Canada, but now ALL of Canada's airports are now CLOSED.

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Just heard on some local radio that all air traffic in Canada is stopped.

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Reports are now that the PA crash was a 747!

The airport there is very small but what that means, who knows?

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I believe that all Canadian flights are on ground stop, but they will still be taking landing flights

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Yes, 747 en-route ORD-NYC it seems crashed 80 m SE of Pittsburgh. No airline given yet.

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The Columbia Tower and Space Needle in Seattle are closed.

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I'm in Frankfurt... Random flights are cancelled. UA has suspended all ops and LH has stopped ALL intl Westbound traffic

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American Airlines confirm that TWO planes, one with 54 pax and another with 81 pax are missing. Understood NOT to be the two that hit the twin towers.

The 747 was UNITED in Pittsburgh crash.

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Now bomb threat at school right near the towers in Ny -- and a couple at schools here

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AMERICAN CONFIRMS TWO AIRCRAFT LOST

FORT WORTH, Texas American Airlines confirmed today that it lost two aircraft in tragic incidents this morning. American said the flights were Flight 11, a Boeing 767 en route from Boston to Los Angeles with 81 passengers, nine flight attendants and two pilots; and Flight 77, a Boeing 757 operating from Washington Dulles to Los Angeles with 58 passengers, four flight attendants and two pilots.

Because of the heightened security due to the nature of todays events, American said it is working closely with U.S. government authorities and will not release more information at this time.

The government has shut down the entire air traffic system in the United States. American, TWA and American Eagle will not operate.

"We are horrified by these tragic events," said Donald J. Carty, chairman and CEO of American Airlines. "Our thoughts and prayers go out to the families of all involved."

Media calls should be directed to the FBI. Customers who wish to receive information about relatives should call Americans response number at 1-800-245-0999.

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United confirms the downed 747 was #93, EWR-SFO.

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Please keep the news coming, I am in an airport lounge (LHR) and the chat won't load. There are desperate people here, worried about loved ones.

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Parallel discussion happening on

http://www.planebusiness.com/cgi-bin...c&f=1&t=000180

One of the posts from that thread:

"Rick Wintraub says all US Airways aircraft are accounted for."

Are there any other US-flag carriers known to have zero planes in jeopardy?

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UA #93 confirms the crashed flight in PA was out of EWR headed out west to SFO!

All aboard have reprtedly perished.

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Parallel discussion happening on

http://www.planebusiness.com/cgi-bin...c&f=1&t=000180

One of the posts from that thread:

"Rick Wintraub says all US Airways aircraft are accounted for."

Are there any other US-flag carriers known to have zero planes in jeopardy?
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Goodwin of UA says UA #175 BOS-LAX a 757 is "of deep concern" to them re its wherabouts. In addition to the #93, described as a EWR-SFO flight, either 747 or 757 - reports varied on the latter.
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See question above - it seems clear now that only 4 planes, 2 from UA 2 from AA were involved.

Goodwin of UA says UA #175 BOS-LAX a 757 is "of deep concern" to them re its wherabouts. In addition to the #93, described as a EWR-SFO flight, either 747 or 757 - reports varied on the type latter.

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Rumours persist that two additional AA aircraft are not accounted for at present - destination unknown - hopefully they are the same two already reported highjacked and crashed!

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I believe that there are now 4 confirmed aircraft highjacked so far- but that's just me!

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United just reports UA #175 has also gone down. 757, Boston to LAX. This is so sad.

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The US/Mexican border has been hurriedly sealed. Apparently some indication that it is connected in some way to this carnage?

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News reports say a commercial 747 was apparently what crashed into the Pentagon? Hard to believe it did not demolish the place if it was a 747? So that seems to make commercial jet losses of at possibly five, and as outside possibility 7, as news reports are ambiguous or not clear whether 2 or 4 AA jets were involved.


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LAX airport, all terminals, is being totally evacuated of passengers and all but essential staff.

DisneyWorld in Florida also is being evacuated.

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This is sick who every did this should be sent ti the usa and go to trail found gulity and put to death. this sick and somebody knows something very sick i hope the catch the person that did this very fast like the world trade center bombing

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If you haven't already done so, please make a simple "Here" post to:

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...just to let your FlyerTalk friends know that you are OK.

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This is horrendous.

There will be h*ll to pay.

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Summary:

Terrorists struck the United States Tuesday morning in harrowing, widespread attacks that included at least three commercial jet crashes into significant buildings.

In the first attack, a plane hit the north tower of the World Trade Center in Manhattan shortly before 9 a.m., followed by another plane into the second tower about 20 minutes later. Both towers later collapsed.

About an hour later, a plane crashed into the Pentagon, part of which later collapsed.

American Airlines told CNN that it lost two planes in "tragic accidents:" Flight 11 from Boston with 81 passengers and 11 crew aboard and Flight 77 from Washington Dulles airport with 58 passengers and six crew aboard. Both planes were en route to Los Angeles

United Airlines Flight 93 airliner headed from Newark, New Jersey, to San Francisco, crashed near Somerset, Pennsylvania -- police said initial reports indicated no survivors. It was not known if this was connected to the attacks. United also said it was "deeply concerned" about Flight l75 from Boston to Los Angeles.

The Pentagon, the White House, the State Department, the Justice Department, the Capitol, the CIA and all other government buildings in Washington evacuated.

In the first ever national ground stop of aircraft, all flights nationwide have been stopped at their departure airports.

All international flights were diverted to Canada.

Israel has evacuated all its missions around the world.

President Bush cancelled an appearance in Florida to return to Washington, calling the crashes "apparent terrorist attacks" and "a national tragedy."

In Chicago, the Sears Tower was evacuated; United Nations in New York evacuated.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta was evacuated. CDC was preparing bioterrorism teams in case they become necessary.

The New York Port Authority said it had closed all bridges and tunnels into the city.

New York's Bellevue Hospital was designated command central for handling the catastrophe. Several hospitals have already reported receiving victims with burns and head injuries.

U.S. stock markets were closed after the New York attacks.

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-And on & on!

What a horrendous day!

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Major League Baseball cancelled.

The National Gurd has been called out.

Two warships have been sent out by the Pentagon to NY, reportedly the George Washington & the JFK!

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Reports say all 757/767 type aircraft. These have a common cockpit. Whomever did this probably trained for a while.

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So far, there are 4 plane crashes actually confirmed -- the flights that crashed into the Pentagon and the second WTC crash have not yet been identified:

AA 11 (767), BOS-LAX: crashed into WTC1;

AA 77 (757), IAD-LAX, crashed, location unconfirmed (I suspect this is the one that crashed into the Pentagon);

UA 93 (757), EWR-SFO, crashed near PIT; and

UA 175 (767), BOS-LAX, crashed somewhere as yet undetermined...(this could be the second WTC crash, seeing that it came shortly after the first one, which was also a BOS-LAX flight, and no other crash explosions are reported?).

I wonder if the PIT crash pilot was a hero, intentionally downing the plane in a "remote" area to avoid hitting a more polulated/strategic site?

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A suspicious package has apparently lead to the evacuation of Dulles as well.

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All us true brits are praying for you.

I am sure that if you need our help we will assist you in any and every way we can.

We Brits do not forget how you helped us in our hour of need.

God Bless Americ

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Good summary Doc. Maybe add to it that United confirm by Press release below two major crashes. It is unclear whether UA #93 crashed into the Pentagon, or whther another plane was involved there. United have cancelled all services worldwide until further notice.

#93 EWR-SFO .. 757 (Not 747 as early Media claimed.)

#175 BOS-LAX .. 767 (Not 757 as Media reports claimed)

http://www.ual.com/Response/PressRel...1750_1,00.html

United Flight 93, a Boeing 757 aircraft, departed from Newark, NJ, at 8:01 a.m. local time, bound for San Francisco, with 38 passengers onboard, 2 pilots and 5 flight attendants.

United Flight 175, a Boeing 767 aircraft, departed from Boston at 7:58 a.m. local time, bound for Los Angeles, with 56 passengers onboard, 2 pilots and 7 flight attendants.

The one glimmer of upside I guess is that both planes were incredibly lightly loaded for morning flights. A domestic config. 767 for UA seats up to 244 fully loaded, and a 757 holds 182 passengers when full.


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Good summary Doc.

United has widely confirmed that flight # 175, a 757 from BOS-LAX has now been lost. Five commercial jets at least are down. Fatality number and location they have not announced yet.
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Four not five!
FAA says 50 planes in the air right now but all accounted for

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Uptown NYers,
St. Lukes needs blood. 114th and Amsterdam.

As must other hospitals in the city, elsewhere. Please volunteer.

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President Bush stated that democracy itself was attacked today.

He went to Barksdale AFB, LA

He will again be addressing the country in a momnent.

Again, my condolences and most heartfelt prayers for all the victims and their families.

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Seems to be more info here than anywhere else...first heard it here that there was also a crash at camp david...still no real news out there on that possibility.

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Thank you for your kind words, titfield. I hope our Executive branch does not have to call on your PM and cabinet for troops. But if as unlikely it'll probably turn out to be, USers couldn't have a more loyal ally.


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I am sure that if you need our help we will assist you in any and every way we can.

We Brits do not forget how you helped us in our hour of need.

God Bless Americ
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The Port Authority will reportedly be holding a news conference in just a few moments. Hopefully more info will be forthcoming.

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The Camp David story I reported was picked up by CBS. Not much more on that aspect that I'm aware of.

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Just heard that at least 3 4-star generals have been killed at the Pentagon.

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The one glimmer of upside I guess is that both planes were incredibly lightly loaded for morning flights. A domestic config. 767 for UA seats up to 244 fully loaded, and a 757 holds 182 passengers when full.
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By the way, they may have evacuated the government buildings, but that doesn't mean all employees are safe at home.
At some agencies, essential employees are still on the job. I'm now on a short break, but will be back to work in a few minutes and hope to head home soon.

I just heard from a friend who'd been about to enter the pentagon when the plane hit. He was in a far parking lot and said it looked like the plane just glided into the building...had perhaps hit the ground prior to the hit. He thought he was imagining something when he heard the sound of engines firing up...you just don't have planes flying there.
Hours later, people are still trying to stop the fires and help survivors, before starting the next task. That's all I know...he had to head to a briefing.

Before he left, he gave me a few names and phone numbers of people who are doing just fine, but can't reach their loved ones...I'm going try and reach their families and spread the word.

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Congressional leaders are now reportedly being taken out from Wash DC to a "secure" location!

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A pax departing out of EWR to SFO reportedly made a cell phone call from a locked bathroom on flight #93 indicating that "we are being hijacked, we are being hijacked!"

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The smoke is still rising here in NYC.

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Parts of the Pentagon are still in flames!

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Didn't they build that secret bunker at the Greenbiar in W.V. years ago for a situation just like this?

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Radio here in Dallas says it's been confirmed that the UA flight the crashed near camp david was actaully crashed by the pilot to prevent the hijacker from hitting another target.

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Reportedly flight #93 was to be directed by highjackers into Camp David but for an unknown reason it crashed beforehand in PA.

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No word yet on casualities. There are "more than we can bear" according to Mayor Guiliani.

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There continues to be speculation as to there also being an additional bomb also being planted at the base of the Twin towers but this appears to be mostly if not entirely a result of shock at their collapse rather than by any real evidence.

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Horror, Alarm and Chaos Grip Downtown Manhattan

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...CND-SCENE.html


SUMMARY UPDATE:

Terrorists struck the United States Tuesday morning in harrowing, widespread attacks that included at least three commercial jet crashes into significant buildings.

In the first attack, a plane hits the north tower of the World Trade Center in Manhattan shortly before 9 a.m., followed by another plane into the second tower about 20 minutes later. Both towers later collapse.

About an hour later, a plane crashes into the Pentagon, part of which later collapses.

American Airlines tells CNN that it lost two planes, both en route to Los Angeles: American Flight 11 from Boston with 81 passengers and 11 crew aboard is lost. This is believed, but not confirmed, to have been one of the planes that crashed into the trade center. ... American Flight 77, a Boeing 757 from Washington Dulles airport to Los Angeles with 58 passengers and six crew is unaccounted for. Witness says plane that hit Pentagon was an American Airlines Boeing 757.

United Airlines loses two planes: United Airlines Flight 93 airliner headed from Newark, New Jersey, to San Francisco, crashes near Somerset, Pennsylvania -- police say initial reports indicate no survivors. ... United confirms the crash of Flight 175 from Boston to Los Angeles with 56 passengers and seven crew aboard. It's possible, but not confirmed, that this is the second plane that hit the World Trade Center.

FBI sources said all four planes that crashed had been hijacked.

The Pentagon, the White House, the State Department, the Justice Department, the Capitol, the CIA and all other government buildings in Washington are evacuated.

President Bush calls the crashes "a national tragedy." Later in the day, Bush issues a statement from Barksdale AFB near Shreveport, Louisiana. "Make no mistake: The United States will hunt down and punish those responsible for these cowardly acts."

In the first-ever national ground stop of aircraft, all flights nationwide are stopped at their departure airports.

International flights are initially diverted to Canada; FAA says later, however, that 22 U.S.-bound international flights will be allowed to land.

Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef, the Taliban ambassador to Pakistan, says in reaction to the terror attacks that "we want to tell the American children that Afghanistan feels your pain and we hope that the courts find justice."

In New York, more than 10,000 rescue personnel rush to the scene. Evacuation of lower Manhattan begins.

Israel evacuates all of its missions around the world.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta is evacuated. CDC prepares bioterrorism teams in case they become necessary.

Philadelphia landmarks are evacuated.

In Chicago, the Sears Tower is evacuated; United Nations in New York is evacuated.

Five battleships and two aircraft are deployed along the East Coast of the United States, and two aircraft carriers go to New York area, all from Norfolk, Virginia.

The New York Port Authority closes all bridges and tunnels into the city.

U.S. stock markets close after the New York attacks.

NATO sends home all non-essential personnel from its Brussels, Belgium, headquarters.

The Immigration and Naturalization Service puts the U.S. borders with Mexico and Canada on highest state of alert.

Los Angeles International Airport is evacuated.

Disney closes its parks in Orlando, Florida, and Disneyland in Anaheim, California.

FEMA implements plan established for such events: FBI leads investigation, and Justice Deptartment heads crisis management.

Three Palestinian groups -- Hamas, the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine and Islamic Jihad -- deny responsibility for the attacks, but blame U.S. policies in the Mideast.

Mayor Anthony Williams of Washington, D.C., declares a state of emergency.

A Delta flight makes emergency landing in Cleveland and all passengers are safely evacuated. Federal officials search the plane for a possible bomb.

(courtesy of CNN)

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Radio here in Dallas says it's been confirmed that the UA flight the crashed near camp david was actaully crashed by the pilot to prevent the hijacker from hitting another target.
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CBS news confirmed that the plane that crashed near Camp David was reported to the FBI by the FAA as having drastically changed course with the flight path now leading the plane directly over Camp David. They did not say such was the case, but it would make sense that the plane crashed before getting there due to the heroic actions of the pilot downing the plane beforehand.

God bless that pilot and all the people who have been affected by this tragedy.

Note that Tony Blair also declared in his address that all European nations should prepare for and anticipate attacks. Lots shut down in the U.K. in addition to all commercial flights.

Worldwide chaos.........a truly sad day for world history.

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There are 1500 "walking wounded", over 600 are hospitalized and 150 are critical here in NYC.
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Also, as NBC pointed out, they were all loaded with fuel as transcons. More fuel = bigger explosion. Clever.

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If you are a doctor or nurse and can get to St Vincents Hospital to help out please call immediately:

Doctors 604-3850

Nurses 604-8474


Some additional news links:

http://www.newyorktimes.com/aponline...nian-Reax.html

http://www.newyorktimes.com/aponline...orld-Reax.html

http://www.newyorktimes.com/aponline...-Reaction.html

http://www.newyorktimes.com/aponline...ttacks-TV.html

http://www.newyorktimes.com/aponline...-On-Alert.html

http://www.newyorktimes.com/aponline...-Airlines.html

Again, if you are a doctor or nurse and can get to St Vincents Hospital please call immediately:

Doctors 604-3850

Nurses 604-8474

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Overseas flights to the US have been diverted to Canadian airports where they are being received and tightly screened by RCMP, as passengers are disembarked. All domestic Canadian flights have been cancelled as YVR, YYZ, YUL and YHZ prepare for arrivals through the afternoon from both Europe and Asia.

There is a possible hijacked flight from Asia is apparently just landed Whitehorse airport afte being escorted by CF-18 jets. Two KAL jets, passenger and cargo, but it is the passenger one that is subject of intense scrutiny. Canadian media is also calling for blood donors, presumably these doneations will be flown into NYC.

I was at the Toronto Film Festival screening since 8:30am. At noon, when our film concluded, a short announcement was made but none of us knew what was going on until we left the theatre. All events have been cancelled and we were beginning to piece together this horrific news. Many Americans up here, in shock, as were us all.

AA flight 11 on the 11th of September. Black September strikes again! Ben Lauden associate to have been sentenced in NYC tomorrow for involvement in two Embassy bombings in Africa.

Words cannot express the horror and emotions right now, of course, and I know we all send our condolences to all on board those flights and in the various target buildings.

This is indeed a new form of warfare, and this infamy shall join Pearl Harbour.

2 flight attendents were stabbed on AA11 according to a just announced report. an AA FA on board managed to reach AA flight centre to describe the assault on the cockpit.

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Has anyone else heard of this:

According to a radio interview (yes I know it could be anyone) a female who stated she was a flight attendant with United told the following:

The entire crew went to have dinner at the hotel restaurant in Milan. Upon return to the rooms, their uniforms, ID badges, and passports were all gone.


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The GWB outbound to NJ has now just reopened if you are trying to escape from Manhattan!

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Even the Museum of Tolerance in Los Angeles was shut down today!

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International airlines scrambled to divert or cancel flights to the US after the wave of airborne terror attacks on NYC & Wash DC.

The cancellations and diversions caused widespread confusion and congestion at many European airports, where airlines ordered flights bound for the US to do U-turns or find alternative landing points outside America.


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There is no official word yet on when we all might be able to fly once again as of yet to the best of my knowledge. Anyone hear, read or know anything?

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I have heard on TV, radio, and Internet, that it is ,tentatively, 12:00 p.m. tomorrow.

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Yes, thanks! And another spokesperson, I can not recall if she was for the President or not, recently noted this as well. Yet the governor of NC in a briefing just reported that airports are closed for 48 hours.

Is it the FAA that ultimately decides these matters? I don't know!

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Shareholder,

Where did you hear about the announced report regarding the AA flight attendant who contacted the AA reach centre? Haven't heard it yet.

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It was Bush's Press Secretary that announced that. I also heard about the Governor of NC announcing the 48 hours. How the heck he decides I don't know. I believe it will be a combination of FAA and NTSB.

Have you heard anything about my previous post re: stolen crew uniforms & ids? The flight attendant that did the interview said she HAD to remain anonymous as United did not want this news out. That is scary if true.

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I would think that other agencies would have a lot of input into when to begin flying again. They will have to decide how to enhance security before any flights begin.

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It was Bush's Press Secretary that announced that. I also heard about the Governor of NC announcing the 48 hours. How the heck he decides I don't know. I believe it will be a combination of FAA and NTSB.

Have you heard anything about my previous post re: stolen crew uniforms & ids? The flight attendant that did the interview said she HAD to remain anonymous as United did not want this news out. That is scary if true.

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aa.com says...

REMAINING AIRCRAFT ACCOUNTED FOR, AMERICAN CONFIRMS

FORT WORTH, Texas - American Airlines is now confirming that all remaining airplanes in the American Airlines system, including TWA and American Eagle, have been accounted for and are safe. This morning, two American jets carrying 158 passengers and 17 crewmembers were lost in apparent terrorist attacks.

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Building 7 at the WTC is still in flames and may well also collapse according to CNN. An so is another nearby building.

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Most of the Battery Park area is still without power reportedly.

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On the bright side, at least limited service has been restored to most train lines at this time.

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aa.com says...

REMAINING AIRCRAFT ACCOUNTED FOR, AMERICAN CONFIRMS

FORT WORTH, Texas - American Airlines is now confirming that all remaining airplanes in the American Airlines system, including TWA and American Eagle, have been accounted for and are safe. This morning, two American jets carrying 158 passengers and 17 crewmembers were lost in apparent terrorist attacks.

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FAA says... (from Japanese media)

Shutdown continues at least until 2am tomorrow.

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Some links that might be of interest:

Discussion Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wtcattack

blog with frequent updates, video, links
http://www.scripting.com/


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PAX makes emergency cell call from bathroom...More news of the PIT UA crash from local PIT News:

757 Goes Down In Somerset County; No Survivors

Posted: 10:31 a.m. EDT September 11, 2001
Updated: 3:59 p.m. EDT September 11, 2001

PITTSBURGH -- A Boeing 757 passenger jet crashed in Somerset County, Pa., Tuesday morning.

An FBI official said that this appears to be an act of terrorism. No official confirmation has been made.

Officials at Somerset County Airport confirmed the crash occurred at a strip mine in Stonycreek Township, about 60 miles east of Pittsburgh. No survivors were reported by a UPMC Stat Medevac crew observing the scene. Officials have said that there were 38 passengers and seven crew members on board.

The Newark-to-San Francisco flight reportedly diverted its route near Pittsburgh and ignored calls from Pittsburgh International Airport controllers.

Rep. James Moran, D-Va., told the Associated Press after a Marine Corps briefing in Washington that Flight 93 was apparently intended for Camp David, the presidential retreat in the mountains of Maryland. The crash site was 85 miles northwest of Camp David.

Glen Cramer of Westmoreland County 911 told WTAE-TV that a call was received at about 9:58 a.m. that reported the plane was hijacked. The call originated from the cell phone of a man locked in the bathroom of United Flight 93.

The caller said that the plane had been hijacked, Cramer said.

An explosion was then heard. The crash was reported 10 to 15 minutes later.

The jet reportedly went down at approximately 10:20 a.m. near Indian Lake in Buckstown, Somerset County. It is approximately eight miles from Jennerstown, near Route 30. Click here for a map of the area.

The plane crashed into a wooded area. A witness told WTAE-TV's Paul Van Osdol that she saw a plane overhead. It made a high-pitched, screeching sound. The plane then made a sharp, 90-degree downward turn and crashed.

Another witness, Michael Merringer, said he was out on a mountain bike ride with his wife, Amy, about two miles from the crash site.

"(I) heard the engine gun two different times," he said. "(I) heard a loud bang and the windows of the houses all around rattled."

Merringer said he saw the smoke rising and he and his wire drove near the scene. "Everything was on fire and there were trees knocked down and there was a big hole in the ground," he said.

WTAE-TV's Marcie Cipriani was with part of a deep of reporters who were bused to the crash scene. From about one-fourth of a mile away from the scene, Cipriani said that a crater of about 8 to 10 feet deep was created by the crash.

Officials told Cipriani that it looked like the plane was headed south when it hit the ground. Most of the plane's debris kept traveling after the plane hit and landed in the woods past the mine.

For information, call the United Airlines hotline at 1-800-932-8555.

There is a blood shortage in New York City. People are asked to donate blood at their local centers to help alleviate the shortage. You can call 800-GIVE-LIFE to find the nearest blood donation center. Or you can call the Central Blood Bank at 866-366-6771 or the Red Cross at 412-263-3100 to donate.

Allegheny County has set up a rumor control hotline for people who are feeling anxious and need to talk to someone to find out the latest events. That number is 412-820-4300.


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The Mexican Consulate General has lowered the Mexican flag to half staff in Houston. I have seen other flags going to half staff. Unknown what other consulates in Houston are doing.

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Just to add to the earlier requests for blood donations, the Red Cross (and others) can use your $$ donations as well. It is a shame that it takes a tragedy of this proportion to get us all together... but it is refreshing to see it happen.

-- Bob

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No, LLZ - I have heard nothing about the previous post regarding stolen crew uniforms & ID other than the report you note.

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The 40 story building adjacent to WTC continues to burn and is now in continuing severe danger of collapsing as well.

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I think it's very hard for me, living in White Plains. I'm 30 miles north of the WTC.

All inbound roads to the city are closed.
I feel helpless not being able to head in to the city to help.
It's frustrating for those of us that are so close, yet so far.

Please go give blood as soon as possible. YOU can make a difference.

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I think it's very hard for me, living in White Plains. I'm 30 miles north of the WTC.

All inbound roads to the city are closed.
I feel helpless not being able to head in to the city to help.
It's frustrating for those of us that are so close, yet so far.

Please go give blood as soon as possible. YOU can make a difference.

Dan

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Building 7 of the WTC has just collapsed.

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No, LLZ - I have heard nothing about the previous post regarding stolen crew uniforms & ID other than the report you note.

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Building 7 has now collapsed and there were reports of survivors in there that EMS had been trying desparately to reach.

The 40 story building adjacent to WTC continues to burn and is now in continuing severe danger of collapsing as well.

Building 5 is in trouble.

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Busses have started plying in NYC albeit only north of Houston Street. They are free of charge. Subway services are limited.
My wife is on an empty M4 headed uptown and says that traffic in the city is minimal.

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Buses are plying free of charge, north of Houston Street. There is some subway service at this point in the city. Streets are empty. Doesn't feel like New York anymore. Will it ever?

On another note, a Saudia 747 from Rome to Jeddah made an emergency landing in Athens after a bomb scare. Nothing was found, however.

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All Broadway shows have been postponed tonight.

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Word is that over 100 were killed in the Pentagon attack.

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Speculation now is that the intense heat from the flames may have actually melted the metal support structure of the WTC towers, bringing them down.

Considering the incredible impact and all the fuel, it is perhaps astounding that they stood for as long as they did.

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The strike back on Afghanistan is starting!

Source CNN

As a UK Citizen, deepest condolences to the American Citizens at this time. Lets hope that we have not lost any of our FT community in this audacious attack.

Thanks,
Richard

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Explosions reported in Kabul, Afghanistan now!

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Another useful link:

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/

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Agree with Richard-- hope no FT's involved
Can not really believ this happened-- looked like something for a movie. What a tragic loss to families and friends
My sympathy to those affected by this tragedy

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The Port Authority Terminal will reportedly be closed "indefinitely."

The GWB to NJ is now closed down again.

Intermitent openings of one lane to NJ at the Lincoln.

Free rides today on the LIE.

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Blasts Deal Blow to Northeast Phone Services

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...1CND-COMM.html
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Blasts Deal Blow to Northeast Phone Services

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...1CND-COMM.html

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Reports now indicate that communications intercepts connect Osama bin Laden to this terrorist attack.

Yet remember, we thought the Olympic and Oklahoma City bombings were outside jobs too.

Let's please not unnecessarily jump to any possibly false conclusions.


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Emergency Information Hotlines

New York City Hospitals:

St. Vincent's Hospital: 212-604-7285

Bellevue Hospital Center: 212-562-4141

Coler Memorial Hospital: 212-848-6300

Goldwater Memorial Hospital: 212-318-8000

Gouverneur Hospital D&TC: 212-238-7000

Airlines:

American Airlines: 1-800-245-0999
American Airlines Statement
United Airlines: 1-800-932-8555
United Airlines Statement

United also has established its international toll-free numbers for friends or family members who want more information. Those numbers are:
The Netherlands: 020504051
Germany: 06966985407
Italy: 024829813
Belgium: 027133646
France: 0169199659

World Trade Center & Pentagon:

AON Corporation: 203-863-6380

Morgan Stanley: 888-883-4391

Pentagon: 1-877-663-6772
Grieving Counseling:


Lincoln Medical and Mental Health Center: 718-579-5000

Metropolitan Hospital Center: 212-423-6262
Department of Mental Health Services: 212-442-5000

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My company has offices on the 25th and 26th floors of the second tower that got hit. We just got an unofficial report that everybody got out in time.

-David

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I heard that one of the American Airlines flight attendants on the plane hitting one of the towers was able to radio in the seat number of one of the terrorists."

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Not sure if it's been posted elsewhere. Below is a link to a diagram with the gruesome flight path of American Flight 11, apparently the plane used in the first WTC attack:

http://www.aopa.org/images/homepage/aa11.jpg

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Hey Doc,

Thanks for all the updates and info on support services. You've been an invaluable asset to FT. Thanks also to the many others who have contributed and for keeping the faith.

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Useful collection of links, including news, video, and discussion:

http://terrorists.does.it/

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Originally posted by anim8r:

Hey Doc,

Thanks for all the updates and info on support services. You've been an invaluable asset to FT. Thanks also to the many others who have contributed and for keeping the faith.
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Well I surely wish I was reporting on other and far better and more useful news instead!

And remember that you also posted the attack on the WTC at the very same time!

We are all just tiny little spokes on a big wheel.

Truly I was very hesitant to post at first, thinking it was perhaps a hoax or perhaps a review of the '93 WTC bombing. Only after I confirmed it using two additional sources did I eventually post.


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Among my phone messages were frineds and colleagues checking in and up on me, but the most moving was from the local school since they were concerned about parents who had NYC numbers on file. The voices, the intonation, among these callers was so very strained.

I'd fotunately decided at the last minute to skip a conference in Manhattan on the east side this morning and was therefore saved a lot of potential grief.

Just a bit earlier tonight I went over to the gym and everyone was talking about it - and VERY horrified. I ended up essentially skipping the workout, and also the swim and even the jacuzzi was out of order, so I skipped that too. Just not a good day all around!

As I returned home, I eerily gazed into the parking lot at the train station at the remaining cars and wondered if they would soon be reclaimed and I earnestly hoped and then prayed that my neighbors all returned home safely. I did not recognize any - but it was dark.

And I felt VERY thankful just to be alive.

Tomorrow is another day - and a far better one for all I hope.

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My sources are all CBC television here in Canada. Latest questions after tracing flight paths of aircraft: where was ATC? was there some form of response or alert to higher officials when flights went off course? why was UA flight tracked off its course for almost 14 minutes after AA flight hit WTC, and no alerts sounded?

The symbolism of the WTC -- the temple of capitalism -- and the Pentagon -- the control centre of the strongest military force in the world -- cannot be understated. Nor the likely target of the fourth plane: the White House or the Capital Building. And was it design or bitter irony that the first aircraft to strike the heart of America was, indeed, American Airlines' flight11, on this 11th day?

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Reports also now of a suspected van loaded with explosives on the GWB have brought the FBI to the scene. Is this perhaps just the typical "report" following such a massive tragedy? I hope so!

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Many in 'traditional dress' and even those with just 'dark skin' are being treated badly around the country -- spit upon, verbal threats --- so sad to see!!!!

I think we are all horrified and many (like me worried about what is to come), but such behavior is embarassing, and sad!

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Buildings Burn and Fall as Onlookers Search for Elusive Safety

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...on/12SCEN.html

Believed to Be Safe, the Towers Proved Vulnerable to the Intense Heat of a Jet Fuel Fire

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...on/12CENT.html

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In times like this, besides grief at the lives lost and anger at the animals who perpetuated this crime against humanity, we need to remember to stand strong and tall afterwards.

We will rebuild the World Trade Center, in the same spot and to the same majesty, to show our enemies that we won't be defeated.

I'm reminded of this true story that I ran across a while ago, to help us all remember that the true measure of Americans is not in our vengeance, but in how we face adversity.


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Widespread, but only partial news coverage was given recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record:

This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth.

Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States.

When the franc was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it. When distant cities are hit by earthquakes, it is the United States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped.

The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans. I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States Dollar build its own airplane. Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tristar, or the Douglas 10? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American planes?

Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon - - not once, but several times - and safely home again.

You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here.

When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the American who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke.

I can name you 5,000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.

Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is ****ed tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those.

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Delivered on June 5th, 1973

http://www.snopes2.com/quotes/sinclair.htm

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Reports now confirm that there is/was no bomb in the suspected van on the GWB!

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I am still in disbelief. I just spoke to my sister who was in NYC when it all happened. It is just crazy!

When the story about the 4th plane crashing in the forrest was first reported, I remember hearing that it was shot down because it was known to be another terrorist plane. Then, suddenly, the news reports changed the story to be about how it was a pilot's heroic action... There were little to no photos of this crash. All very strange...

Whether it was a pilot's heroic action or the military shooting it down, several lives were saved since it did not reach its destination.


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Sorry, no links but a couple of interesting tidbits:

--Lisa Stark of ABC News reports that airlines are asking the Federal Government to take over all functions of airport security reasoning that the terroristic events show that it's a national security issue.

--Although all the networks report military denying it shot down the UA aircraft in Pennsylvania, ABC News analyst John Nance for one cites the cell phone call reporting an explosion and smoke from the wing just prior to the plane going down.

--Fox News economics reporter predicts, irresponsibly IMHO, financial calamity for US airlines, further guessing that some "may not last until the end of the year"...typical garbage from Fox at a time when it's least needed.

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No question that the loss of innocent lives is the greatest tragedy here.

But there are other things we will miss, which for some of us hold great memories of the past...

http://www.flyertalk.com/dining/ftdi...ML/000015.html



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Thank you, Doc (and all others) for keeping us up to date and informed. As much as I dislike the government stepping into our daily lives, I would welcome the Feds taking over the security at the airports. According to reports, the pay is low and turnover is 200-400% at some airports. Again according to reports a knife with a blade 4" long or shorter IS allowed on the plane.

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"They" chose to hijack united, american, the day before sentencing of 1993 bomber. Can't help but think the names were ment to be symbolic.

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The twin towers was always my very favorite skyscraper. I had so many great times on the mall there at the kids days and concerts from when I was younger. I know they were bombed before but I can barely remember it because I was so young. This is so sad. I still really can not believe it happened. The towers are both gone forever. My mother also wants me to stay out of the city now because she is so worried about me. It is hard to see why anyone would ever want to do this on purpose. I pray for the people who were there.

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The morning papers are, well... astounding, to stay the least. Nevertheless, we WILL recover!

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Hijacked Jets Destroy Twin Towers and Hit Pentagon

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...al/12PLAN.html

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The FAA is supposedly due to make an announcement regarding if and when flights will resume in just a few hours now.

President Bush will once again address the nation, reportedly at about 10:15 EST.

Reports that there are approximately 800 dead in Wash DC this morning.

NYC was declared a federal disaster area. The George washington has arrived in NY harbor. Outbound GWB is again open, but the Holland and Lincoln remain closed. Below 14th St, NYC remains shut down. The Staten Island ferry remains closed, being used only for emergency services.

While precious few were rescued from the WTC rubble overnight, reports that 5 firefighters and 1 police officer were pulled out and saved.

Leads continue to develop in both EWR and BOS and several vehicles believed used by the attackers have already been identified and seized. It's now believed that attackers may have driven a rental car from Portland Maine to BOS. The Boston Globe reports they found a bag belonging to one attacker as well. At least 5 men were identified as suspects according to the Herald. A search is also ongoing for one suspect in Florida.

Speculation is that financial the markets will reopened tomorrow. I hope so, if only for symbolic reasons!

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Doc - the way the markets were smashed in Europe and Asia today it will be a pretty sorry scene on Wall Street too it seems when it re-opens.

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Yes, the futures really plummetted as the news hit the boards yesterday, but as always, one persons immediate sell is anothers' unbelievable bargain. We have suffered and some/many things will surely change. Airspace and airport security for sure. But the more we can simply go on as usual, the better! Remember, the good guy's (and girls) always win - and not just in Holloywood by worldwide.

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BTW, it's perhaps believed they may have driven the rented Mitsubishi to Portland to catch a flight to BOS and changed to the flight out of town.

Here's the Herald link:

WAR: Hub terror suspects ID'd: Bush vows retaliation after devestating attack

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/loc...tk09122001.htm

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Some have now said that the FBI was actually investigating a report of a highjacked aircraft just before the first WTC tower was struck.

There also is no indication that any of the airline crews had activated a 4-digit code alerting ground controllers that a hijacking was in progress.

It is believed that of the two aircraft that hit the WTC, one likely had the transponder turned off and the other actually had their transponder switched/altered somehow as well - so the ATC folks would perhaps have merely noted a blimp/dot at best and likely been baffled by what occurred. There appears to be an increasing level of organization and "sophistication" involved in carrying out this epic disaster.

http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/12/hijackers.skills/

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Here are the lists of companies based at the World Trade Center:

Tower 1(North)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...es/tower1.html

Tower 2 (South)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...es/tower2.html

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The FAA is supposedly reporting now that airports, but for NYC and Wash metro area, will be reopened at noon today. Except delays!
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The Federal Aviation Administration prepared to reopen the nation's airports Wednesday.

"We expect to reopen the airspace at noon" Eastern time, said FAA spokesman Les Dorr. "I don't know if that will include New York and Washington."

However, Dorr said people should not expect all flights to resume normal travel, since many planes are at the wrong airports.

"I think it is fair to say there is not going to be a mass exodus of planes and passengers that have been on the ground because some of the airlines have airplanes that are literally in the wrong place to fly their schedules," Dorr said.

He declined to discuss increased security measures, but said, "Passengers should expect to have to devote more time to the check-in process."

When flights resume, passengers won't be able to check their bags at the curb, they will be subjected to random checks, they will see more uniformed security and they should arrive even earlier.

Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta said he is acting to augment airline security after Tuesday's terrorist attacks in New York City and Washington, which began with the hijacking of four commercial airliners.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2001Sep12.html

THE WAR AGAINST AMERICA
An Unfathomable Attack

Remember the ordinary, if you can. Remember how normal New York City seemed at sunrise yesterday, as beautiful a morning as ever dawns in early September. The polls had opened for a primary election, and if the day seemed unusual in any way, that was the reason the collective awareness that the night would be full of numbers. All the innumerable habits and routines that define a city were unbroken. Everyone was preoccupied, in just the way we usually call innocence.

And by 10:30 a.m. all that had gone. Lower Manhattan had become an ashen shell of itself, all but a Pompeii under the impact of a terrorist attack involving two airliners that crashed into the World Trade Center and then brought its twin towers down. In Washington, a third plane had plunged into the Pentagon. The president was for a long while out of sight, his plane seeming to hop around the middle of the country in search of security. For all Americans, the unimaginable became real.

In his evening speech, George W. Bush said yesterday was a day we would never forget. It was, in fact, one of those moments in which history splits, and we define the world as "before" and "after." As the scenes of the explosions replayed themselves on television throughout the day, the shock only deepened as we began to perceive the suffering those pictures from New York and Washington concealed office workers at the World Trade Center, caught in the collapsing lattices of glass and steel, and the unbelieving passengers aboard the second airliner as it swooped below the smoke in the north tower, already burning, and plunged into the southern one.

Last night was full of numbers, but they were the numbers of the dead and wounded, a list still stunningly incomplete and likely to remain so for days to come. Every routine, every habit this city knew was fractured yesterday. If a flight full of commuters can be turned into a missile of war, everything is dangerous. If four planes can be taken over simultaneously by suicidal hijackers, then we can never be quite sure again that any bad intention can be thwarted, no matter how irrational or loathsome. We have nearly all had occasion to wonder how civilians who suddenly found their country at war and themselves under attack managed to frame some memory of life as it once was. Now we know. We look back at sunrise yesterday through pillars of smoke and dust, down streets snowed under with the atomized debris of the skyline, and we understand that everything has changed.

As distinctive as the World Trade Center was in its dominance over the city, it was also a profoundly ordinary place. This we learned for the first time when it was bombed in 1993 and out of its stairwells and exits came our friends and neighbors, smudged and grimacing. It was also, as now appears too plainly, shockingly naked against the sky, its only real defense the happy confidence that there were some things that no human being would want to do, and others that none could possibly carry off.

Commentators throughout the day yesterday dwelled on the scale of the planning this terrorist mission must have required. But it is just as important to consider the intensity of the hatred it took to bring it off. It is a hatred that exceeds the conventions of warfare, that knows no limits, abides by no agreements. We had presumed that the very excess of such emotions made them erratic, that instability and inefficiency were securely coupled. But that was when we lived on the other side of history's rift.

What we live with now, beyond shock and beyond the courage witnessed on the streets in New York and Washington yesterday, is an urge for reprisal. But this is an age when even revenge is complicated, when it is hard to match the desire for retribution with the need for certainty. We suffer from an act of war without any enemy nation with which to do battle. The same media that brought us the pictures of a collapsing World Trade Center shows us the civilians who live in the same places that terrorists may dwell, whose lives are just as ordinary and just as precious as the ones that we have lost. That leaves us all, for now, with fully burdened emotions, undiminished by anything but the passage of the few hours that have elapsed since midmorning yesterday. There is a world of consoling to be done.

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/12/opinion/12WED1.html


Personal Accounts of a Morning Rush That Became the Unthinkable

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/12/ny...rchpv=nytToday

Many Sporting Events Called Off or Postponed

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/12/sp...rchpv=nytToday


A Flood of Anxious Phone Calls Clog Lines, and TV Channels Go Off the Air

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...al/12PHON.html

Intelligence Officials Suspect Group Headed by bin Laden

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...al/12INQU.html

Security tightened at U.S. airports

http://www.cnn.com/2001/TRAVEL/NEWS/...y.airports.ap/

Gasoline prices skyrocket in some parts of the country

http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/12/gas.prices/

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The FBI set up a Web site where people could report any tips or other information:

www.ifccfbi.gov

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A few rescues, but mostly bodies found

Citing war, Powell says United States will retaliate in not too distant future

http://www.msnbc.com/news/627028_asp.htm

The Day That Will Live In Infamy

http://www.time.com/time/


7 survivors pulled from Trade Center rubble

http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/12/ame...ack/index.html


The Federal Aviation Administration prepared to reopen the nation's airports Wednesday.

Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta said he is acting to augment airline security after Tuesday's terrorist attacks in New York City and Washington, which began with the hijacking of four commercial airliners.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2001Sep12.html

Terror Feeds Recession Fear
Business Awaits Consumer Reaction

http://a188.g.akamaitech.net/f/188/9...post.com/wp-dy n/articles/A13809-2001Sep11.html

Poll: Americans Willing to Go to War

http://a188.g.akamaitech.net/f/188/9...post.com/wp-dy n/articles/A14420-2001Sep11.html

Driven Underground, Officials Stay on the Job

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...al/12GOVS.html

A Somber Bush Says Terrorism Cannot Prevail

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...al/12BUSH.html

September 11, 2001

THE HORRIFIC TERRORIST attacks yesterday in New York and Washington will rank as one of the greatest calamities in American history, and will confront the United States with one of its most demanding challenges. Not since Dec. 7, 1941, has the U.S. homeland sustained such an aggression. The nation responded then without panic but with iron determination to defend itself and punish the aggressors. The response today must be as decisive -- to the mass murderers who planned and carried out the attack, and to any nation or nations that gave them shelter and encouragement.

It will be days or weeks before we can know the particulars of the death and destruction at the World Trade Center, at the Pentagon and in Pennsylvania, and absorb the magnitude of the losses; but what we know already is shocking, wrenching and infuriating. Thousands of American civilians -- travelers, businessmen, tourists, government employees, children -- were systematically targeted and slaughtered out of the blue sky of a late summer morning by an enemy that did not, and probably will not, willingly identify itself. In the days to come America must do what it can to ease the suffering of those who have been injured, comfort the families of those who were killed and quickly repair or clear away the physical damage. The Bush administration must move aggressively, as it did yesterday, to defend the country against possible follow-up attacks. And with soberness and determination, the nation must prepare itself to fight its first war of the new century -- one that will begin with identifying and punishing the authors of yesterday's mass murder, but one that must continue until the sources of support for the terrorists have been eliminated and the country's defenses against such unconventional warfare decisively strengthened.

The challenge today is in many ways different from that of 60 years ago, and in some ways more complex. The attack at Pearl Harbor targeted military forces, not civilians, and when it was over the United States knew who the aggressors were and where to find them. All we know for sure about the enemy that struck yesterday is what the terrible wreckage in New York and Washington tells us: that this was an adversary capable of meticulously planning and executing a large-scale attack, one that draws on good intelligence and abundant resources. It is an enemy that has proven that it has the ability to penetrate U.S. homeland defenses, perhaps more readily than any the country has faced in modern times. And though it may have no single fixed address, it probably has the support or complicity of one or more foreign governments.

If the enemy is more elusive, yesterday's attacks were not, or should not have been, as unexpected as was Pearl Harbor. The United States for years has been fighting a low-grade war against terrorists, and for years counter-terrorism experts and military planners have been warning of the possibility of a massive strike against U.S. domestic targets. Some earlier attempts -- including a previous plot to topple the World Trade Center -- were narrowly averted. Steps have been taken in recent years to tighten airport and border security, and the FBI and CIA have mounted broad efforts to identify and uproot terrorist networks both at home and abroad. A few terrorists were apprehended and put on trial; a couple of cruise missile strikes have been launched; the networks of one leading suspect in yesterday's attacks, Osama bin Laden, were said to have been seriously disrupted.

But the terrible message of Sept. 11 is that these steps fell far short; the nation's commitment was not enough. Despite the increased airport security, the attackers managed to hijack four large airliners from three major airports -- at Boston, Newark and Dulles -- almost simultaneously, and flew one of them into the Pentagon's restricted airspace apparently unchallenged. More broadly, an attack that must have required extensive preparations and a substantial support network appears to have gone entirely undetected by the FBI and intelligence community. These are large failings, the causes of which will have to be meticulously identified and remedied.

The challenge ahead will require strengthening U.S. defenses and intelligence at home in ways consistent with American values. Not just foreign embassies and military bases but also domestic airports and other civilian targets must be better defended. At the same time the country cannot allow terrorists to alter the fundamental openness of U.S. society or the government's respect for civil liberties. Americans will have to make sacrifices that a state of war requires, such as accepting greater inconvenience in public places. They may also need to acquire some of the civic alertness that other open societies, such as Israel or Ireland, have cultivated.

A state of war also means a national commitment, nurtured by bipartisan cooperation in Washington, to attack and defeat the country's enemies. This means more than merely tracking down and arresting individual suspects, as has been done before. With time, it is likely that it will be possible to identify the larger network behind the attack; it should also be evident where it is based or obtains support. In the past the United States has shied away from squarely confronting regimes that were linked to terrorist attacks against Americans -- such as Iran in the case of the 1996 Khobar towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, or Afghanistan in the 1998 bombings of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania by Osama bin Laden's network. It can no longer afford to do so. Instead, it must seek to assemble an international alliance to identify and eliminate all sources of support for the terrorist networks that would wage war on the United States. If necessary, it must act alone. There can be no greater purpose to foreign and defense policy in the coming years.

Though the circumstances are different, what President Franklin D. Roosevelt said after Dec. 7 in Pearl Harbor, "a date which will live in infamy," applies to Sept. 11 just as well. "Always will we remember the character of the onslaught against us," Mr. Roosevelt said. "No matter how long it may take us to overcome this premeditated invasion, the American people in their righteous might will win through to absolute victory. I believe I interpret the will of the Congress and of the people when I assert that we will not only defend ourselves to the uttermost, but will make very certain that this form of treachery shall never endanger us again."

http://a188.g.akamaitech.net/f/188/9...post.com/wp-dy n/articles/A13743-2001Sep11.html

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BTW, I have seen no real indication, other than a speech/comment/release, that the airports will truly REopen at noon, at least thusfar. So be optimistic, but realistic too!


On a side note, I'd urge that everyone be sensible and somewhat skeptical of the many undocumented items, essentially hoaxs, perpetuated on the web via email, chat etc, sadly but typically in such times of crisis.


The FBI has received 700 leads in the investigation of Tuesday's twin terrorist attacks but so far no arrests have been made, a Justice Department official said.

Based on information gathered from frantic phone calls made by passengers on doomed jets just minutes before they crashed, the government believes that the hijackers were trained pilots and that three to five hijackers were aboard each of four airliners that crashed Tuesday in the worst terrorist attack ever on U.S. soil, said Mindy Tucker, Justice Department spokeswoman.

"It appears from what we know that the hijackers were skilled pilots," Tucker said.

The Justice Department's terrorism, violent crimes, office of intelligence and violent crime divisions are involved in the investigation, she said. Attorney General John Ashcroft briefed 225 members of Congress late Tuesday and will meet with lawmakers again Wednesday with FBI Director Robert Mueller and FEMA Director Joe Allbaugh.

Ashcroft met with national security officials at the White House early Wednesday.

From broken bits of hijacked airplanes to intelligence intercepts, the FBI is collecting evidence in its search for those responsible for Tuesday's twin terrorist attacks.

At the Pentagon and World Trade Center, agents sifted through the rubble.

"The FBI evidence recovery team has found parts of the fuselage outside" the Pentagon, Fairfax County chief Michael Tamillow said Wednesday. "As we go in we're now identifying smaller parts of the plane. Everyone is looking for the black box recorders." Those recorders could contain conversations from the cockpits of the doomed planes.

"Everything is pointing in the direction of Osama bin Laden," said Sen. Orrin Hatch, the top Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee.

A flight manifest from one of the ill-fated flights included the name of a suspected bin Laden supporter, Hatch and several law enforcement officials confirmed. And U.S. intelligence intercepted communications between bin Laden supporters discussing Tuesday's attacks on the World Trade Center in New York and the Pentagon, Hatch told The Associated Press.

http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/12/inv...ion.terrorism/

Attacks on U.S. Soil

http://discuss.washingtonpost.com/wp...n_korb0912.htm

'Phone home - you're going to die'

Passengers on the plane which crashed into the Pentagon killing up to 800 people were ordered to phone their loved ones by terrorists who said: "Tell them you are about to die," it was reported today.

http://www.thisislondon.com/dynamic/...text_id=407678

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Many in 'traditional dress' and even those with just 'dark skin' are being treated badly around the country -- spit upon, verbal threats --- so sad to see!!!!

I think we are all horrified and many (like me worried about what is to come), but such behavior is embarassing, and sad!
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Based on a bad experience at, of all places, a grocery store, last night, I am now carrying my U.S. passport around with me. As an American by birth I cannot comprehend that in a time when national unity is of such great importance, that skin color might be used as a basis for meting out the anger and suspicion that we all are experiencing now.

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Based on an admittedly very quick viewing of all the varied folks patiently waiting on long lines for 6 or more hours in order to donate blood last evening, I'd say they were pretty much ALL colors, sizes, shapes and so on. A truly wonderful eclectic group - as is America!

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Attacks Are 'Acts of War'

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2001Sep12.html

Smarter Living Travel Update
Wednesday, September 12, 2001
http://www.SmarterLiving.com

From all of us at Smarter Living, our thoughts are with those
whose lives were touched by yesterday's tragedies. Below is a
list of resources for those with travel plans in the near future.
Smarter Living will resume publishing its regular newsletters
next week.

AIRLINE INFORMATION AND REFUND/CANCELATION POLICIES:
http://rd.SmarterLiving.com/airlines091201

HOTEL AND CAR RENTAL CONTACT INFORMATION:
Hotels: http://rd.SmarterLiving.com/hotels091201
Car Rentals: http://rd.SmarterLiving.com/cars091201

WHAT ARE YOUR OPTIONS IF YOU DON'T WANT TO FLY?
http://rd.SmarterLiving.com/options091201

HOW TRAVEL COMPANIES HANDLE EVENTS THAT ARE BEYOND THEIR CONTROL:
http://rd.SmarterLiving.com/control091201

We will continue to update http://www.SmarterLiving.com with the latest information on travel in the US and Canada.


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There are new reports now that the NYC metro area airports may well actually begin to open today at about 3:00pm EST.

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The FAA has now said that the flight ban has been extended indefinitely!


And the Pentagon was again evacuated this morning due to the threat of spreading fire.


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CONFIRMED FATALITIES
New York City: 45
Washington D.C.: 80
Pennslyvania: 45


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And now the evacuation order has supposedly been recalled! Wow! What a mess it still is!

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Due to the national tragedy, we have decided not to release a Top 20 list this week.

Travelzoo

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Strong Views on US Attacks on Cyberworld Chatroom

DUBAI (Reuters) - As U.S. officials scrambled on Wednesday to identify the aircraft hijackers who killed thousands in the United States, instant and often passionate views were already being aired in cyberworld chatrooms.

One of several rooms debating the attacks was initiated by a group of Arab Americans to help Arabs reach loved ones missing in New York, but was reduced to a virtual battle zone.

``Arabs started it. Now we will show you the anger of the American people,'' wrote one angry American -- though he also said he hoped Tuesday's events did not herald a Muslim-Christian war.

``Drop atomic bombs all over the Middle East. God bless America,'' wrote another chatterer, demanding retaliation for the attacks in which three planes commandeered by hijackers slammed into the Pentagon (news - web sites) and the twin towers of the World Trade Center.

Venus, who told a Reuters correspondent she was chatting from Georgia where her husband is a U.S. soldier, said: ``I have a friend who is Arab American and I don't blame no one till they say who did it and prove it.''

Leaders of American Muslim groups said followers of Islam ''unequivocally condemned'' the attacks, according to a statement by Islam Infonet. ``Muslims stand with all other Americans who, on this sad day, feel a sense of tremendous grief and loss,'' they added in a letter to President Bush (news - web sites).

Most fingers were pointed at America's sworn enemy, Saudi-born Osama bin Laden (news - web sites), and some accused Palestinians, many of whom detest the United States for what they see as its bias toward Israel, of responsibility for the attacks.

On the other side of the fence, some Arabs and Muslims were celebrating what they saw as ``a lesson to the United States.''

``The sound of Islamic justice shook New York,'' said one gloating chatterer, who was ejected from the room after stating his opinion. Some other chatterers were also ejected.

NEW ERA

One Palestinian hailed the use of hijacked planes in suicide attacks on enemy interests as the ``weapon of a new era.''

Several Americans expressed disgust at the street celebrations staged by some Palestinians under Israeli occupation when news of the attacks reached them.

But expressions of anger, gloating and hatred were matched by calls for prayers and sympathy for the thousands who died and their friends and relatives.

``Let us pray for those who died. Christians, Jews and Muslims,'' said one New Yorker, who said that people from all three monotheist religions had died in the attacks.

Amira, an Arab dietician who lives in Ontario, Canada, said her nephews who attend a Muslim school were subjected to foul language by people angered by the attacks.

``There were people at the gates screaming at the kids -- calling them terrorists and using foul language,'' she said.

Similar speculation prompted harassment of Arab Americans after the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995, when a car bomb killed 168 people. A U.S. army veteran, Timothy McVeigh (news - web sites), was found guilty of that attack and executed earlier this year.

``I am angry because...many innocent people are going to pay,'' said Giordanna, a Spanish woman married to an American. She said she expects Washington to retaliate against Arabs.

http://us.news2.yimg.com/f/42/31/7m/...rabs_dc_1.html

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FBI raided a Westin in Boston in the Back Bay area and also in another Florida location. There have been unconfirmed reports of people (perhaps 5) being taken into custody at least as material witnesses.

http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/12/ame...ack/index.html


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Global air travel shut down

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/bus...00/1537856.stm

Security Breaches at Boston Airport Investigated

http://www.newyorktimes.com/aponline...n-Airport.html

Hijacked United Airlines flight was targeting Camp David

http://www.nandotimes.com/nation/sto...-1081164c.html

Security experts are stunned but not necessarily surprised that four domestic commercial jets were hijacked on Tuesday to carry out attacks on New York and Washington.

http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,46740,00.html

Pilots not surprised by airport security breaches

http://www.sunspot.net/news/nationwo...ld%2Dheadlines

Airport security to get tighter

Travelers should expect more searches

http://www.msnbc.com/news/627620.asp

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Cantor Fitzgerald has reportedly only been able to contact 85 of their employees at the WTC. They have about 1000 employees there on some upper floors if I recall correctly!

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A ban on air traffic to and from North America will have a major impact on world trade as one-third of international air cargo business is with North America, international aviation sources said on Wednesday.

Air cargo represents about 40 percent of world trade by value and is a key element in the global supply chains operated by hi-tech and multi-national companies.

http://www.idg.net/crd_idgsearch_2.h...12hnairban.xml


MRV Chief Killed Aboard Airliner In WTC Attack

http://www.bizreport.com/article.php...2109&width=800

ML Baseball has again cancelled all games, this time for Thursday, the third straight day.

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Growing number won't fly Wednesday

Southwest Airlines (LUV: news, chart, profile) was the first to announce that it won't fly after all on Wednesday.

Frontier Airlines said it too has cancelled all flight, with the "possible exception" of flights that were diverted to nonFrontier based cities, Toronto and Detroit. Frontier passengers with weekend flights will be allowed to cancel their flights for a full refund or make changes without penalty.

UAL Corp.'s (UAL: news, chart, profile) United Airlines said it will not operate any scheduled flights until at least 6 p.m. Eastern, and after that it will operate only a small percentage of its usual flights, said spokeswoman Jenna Ludgate.

AMR Corp.'s (AMR: news, chart, profile) American Airlines said it will make an announcement regarding flights in the afternoon.

Delta Air Lines Inc.'s (DAL: news, chart, profile) service is cancelled until 6 p.m. Eastern.

Alaska Air Group Inc. (ALK: news, chart, profile) units Alaska Airlines and Horizon Air called off its plans to resume flying Wednesday and said service would be started "at the earliest practical time consistent with the directives of the federal government and operational procedures for both carriers," according to a press release.

"We recognize that this national tragedy and the shutdown of the airline industry has disrupted the lives of millions of Americans," Chief Executive John Kelly said. "We appreciate their patience as all of us in the industry work through these difficult hours to safely reopen the nation's skies."

Vanguard Airlines said it will be back in the air after 6 a.m. Eastern dependent on how many "relevant" airports are open.

Alaska tentatively plans to operate a single flight today from Madison, Wis., to Seattle. That flight, Alaska Flight No. 1, was diverted to Madison Tuesday while en route from Washington, D.C., to Seattle and on to Anchorage.

Spirit Airlines has canceled all operations until 5 a.m. Eastern Thursday.

British Airways has canceled all of its scheduled services between the United Kingdom, the United States and Canada Wednesday, according to a statement issued by the airline.

And in the first of what will be the mantra for travelers, America West Airlines urged passengers to arrive at the airports at least two hours before their departures "in anticipation of delays resulting from additional security measures which are being implemented by the airlines, airports and the FAA," according to a press release.

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Police took several people into custody in Boston and south Florida Tuesday as U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft said the government was close to arrests in connection with the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks, CNN reported.

It wasn't clear whether the people who had been apprehended were suspects or not. Two of the hijacked flights on Monday originated from Boston.

Crowds of onlookers swarmed in front of the Hilton Hotel at Copley Square in Boston, where law enforcement authorities have assembled to search for clues.

CNN reported that authorities have taken individuals into custody in Florida an attempt to trace leaders and are probing a possible lead at an aviation school elsewhere in the state.

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Mineta warns of tough security standards, long delays

Taking a flight anywhere in the U.S. will change dramatically beginning today, as the nation's airlines and airports tighten security measures like never before.

Expect to wait in long lines and be subjected to a number of inconveniences that both airports and airlines will be required to enforce under a bevy of new safety directives from the Federal Aviation Administration.

"We have not lifted the ground stop," said FAA spokesman Les Dorr recently. "We would hope to have some kind of announcement later on this afternoon, but I can't speculate when."

He also couldn't say when airports and airlines will be back in service.

"Airports will have to meet increased security standards before they can resume operations," said FAA spokesman Les Dorr. "It will be up to the airports and the airlines on how quickly they can meet those standards."

To be sure, it will take many months before the airlines are back up to speed. Airlines will take on the biggest brunt of insuring that the skies are safe, according to Ron Wilson, spokesman for the San Francisco International Airport.

Dorr said the FAA regulations have not been made public yet, but acknowledged that pieces of them have been released through various reports and press conferences.

"We're not going to go into an extraordinary amount of detail because that's what the bad guys can use," he said.

The airlines will have to build up the security measures and pass a visual inspection by the FAA. The FAA also will visually pore over the airport security before allowing any airlines to start flying.

"It's the FAA's responsibility to make sure they are up to snuff," Dorr said. "I don't know what the mechanism is at this point."

For now, most airports are following Department of Transportation Secretary Norm Mineta's lead from Tuesday's briefing: No curbside check-in for baggage; no parking or waiting at curbs; no one without tickets will be allowed past the security checkpoints; all carry-on baggage will be subject to search; no knives of any kind or size will be allowed on airplanes.

The measures are expected to be stepped up even further and could eliminate such conveniences as electronic ticketing or electronic check-ins.

"Travelers will see increased security measures at our airports, train stations and other key sites," Mineta said. "There will be higher levels of surveillance, more stringent searches.

"There will be more security officers, random identification checks. Travelers may experience some inconveniences. We ask for your patience. But we must do whatever it take, with safety as our highest priority."


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As a New Yorker, I'd like to thank my fellow Americans for their support and kindness during these horrific times. As an American, I am particularly grateful to our friends in Canada, Europe, and Australia for their compassion and willingness to stand by us in the name of freedom.

And, to the extremists in Afghanistan, Palestine and the rest of the world, you will rue the day you attacked the United States. We Americans are completely united in defending our country, our freedom, and our way of life. A unified America is something none of you have ever encountered.

God Bless Democracy, Freedom, America and its wonderful allies. We will prevail.

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As a New Yorker, I'd like to thank my fellow Americans for their support and kindness during these horrific times. As an American, I am particularly grateful to our friends in Canada, Europe, and Australia for their compassion and willingness to stand by us in the name of freedom.

And, to the extremists in Afghanistan, Palestine and the rest of the world, you will rue the day you attacked the United States. We Americans are completely united in defending our country, our freedom, and our way of life. A unified America is something none of you have ever encountered.

God Bless Democracy, Freedom, America and its wonderful allies. We will prevail.

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No carry on and no pocketbooks either - just perhaps a wallet!

That is supposedly the new proceedure when flts resume!

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I can't post a link to it right now, but Midway Airlines has announced a cessation of all flight operations, in part due to the expected falloff in air travel.

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In Boston and Florida, Search for Suspects Intensifies

http://www.newyorktimes.com/aponline...s-Florida.html

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FAA is now considering a "partial lifting" of the flight ban at this time for the diverted flights in particular.


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The White House and Air Forse One were both reportedly among the planned targets yesterday according to NBC news.

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Also, the Boston Globe has now reported 3 arrests in BOS as well.

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Airports to Remain Closed, Mineta Says

WASHINGTON, Sept. 12 /PRNewswire/ -- Secretary of Transportation Norman Y. Mineta has announced the Federal Aviation Administration will allow a limited reopening of the nation's commercial airspace system in order to allow flights that were diverted yesterday to continue to their original destinations.

The Secretary also announced that the FAA is temporarily extending the ground stop order imposed yesterday while additional security measures are being completed.

``Safety is always of paramount importance, and in these extraordinary times we intend to be vigilant,'' Mineta said. ``We remain committed to resuming commercial flights as soon as possible.

``As the President said last night, these despicable terrorist attacks have shaken the foundation of our greatest buildings, but have not shaken the foundation of this great nation,'' the Secretary said.

``As America watches the efforts of our heroic emergency responders and rescue personnel, we keep the victims and their families in our prayers,'' he also said.

Mineta said the FAA would permit flights today only in special limited circumstances. Flights diverted as a result of yesterday's order will be allowed to continue to their original destination under vastly tightened security guidelines. Only passengers on the original flights will be allowed to re-board, and only after airports and airlines have implemented strict screening measures. Airlines will also be allowed to reposition empty aircraft, he said.

Mineta said a variety of stepped-up security measures will be instituted at the airports once they re-open. These measures include:


* A thorough search and security check of all airplanes and airports
before passengers are allowed to enter and board aircraft.

* We will discontinue curbside check-in at the airport. We would ask that
all passengers go to the ticket counters to check in.

* We will also discontinue off-airport check in. We can no longer allow
passengers to check in for their flights at hotels or other venues.
Passengers must check in at the airports.

* We must reserve boarding areas for passengers only. Only ticketed
passengers will be allowed to proceed past airport screeners to catch
their flights.

* Vehicles near airport terminals will be monitored more closely.


``I know all Americans want us to move as quickly and prudently as possible to return our transportation system to normal,'' Mineta said, ``and we will as soon as we can do so safely.''


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Reportedly an Amtrak train headed into Providence, RI was halted due to suspicion that some of the terrorist suspects are on board.

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Hijacking and Aerial Terrorism - Top Aviation Attorney Available to Comment On Legal Issues Surrounding Aerial Attacks on World Trade Center and Pentagon

What: One of the country's most prestigious attorneys specializing in Aviation law is available to comment on

the legal aspects surrounding the terrorist hijacking of

commercial aircraft and the attacks that followed. Are

the airlines liable for the passengers' deaths? What is the possibility of litigation from the families of

victims? What is the liability of the FAA and the air traffic controllers? Who has legal jurisdiction/liability for the aircraft once they're in the air?


Who: George N. Tompkins, Jr., is a noted international aviation attorney with more than 40 years experience representing
airlines in mass disaster cases including incidents of hijacking, terrorism and the bombing of aircraft. He was named one of the world's top twenty aviation lawyers by
the "1999 Guide to the Best of the Best" and has represented foreign and domestic air carriers and their insurers in disasters such as Korean Air Lines in the downing of Flight 007, Air Florida in the Washington, D.C. crash, Avianca in the Long Island, New York, crash of Flight 52, and KLM in the Tenerife disaster. Mr. Tompkins also served as a delegate to the International Air Transport Association Airline Liability Conference in 1995, which led to the IATA Agreements waiving the Warsaw Convention liability limits.

Mr. Tompkins is in the New York office of the national law firm Schnader Harrison Segal & Lewis, LLP.


When: Contact Kim Danley for an interview.

Availability: Mr. Tompkins is located in New York and is also available by phone, e-mail or fax.


CONTACT: Kim Danley of Schnader Harrison Segal & Lewis, LLP, +1-215-751-2667, or cell: +1-856-906-4591, or [email protected].


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One classy release/ad, eh? Wow! I guess I just get embarassed too easily!


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Flight Attendants Mourn Tragedy
Establish World-Wide Support Network To Assist Flying Partners, Family, Friends
Statement of the Association of Flight Attendants

WASHINGTON, Sept. 12 /PRNewswire/ -- The following is being issued by the Association of Flight Attendants:

The hijackings and attacks on our country and our workplace that occurred yesterday are an unbelievable tragedy. Our thoughts and prayers go out to everyone touched by these senseless acts.

AFA continues to assist authorities in their investigations and we refer all questions concerning the specific terrorist attacks to the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

The focus of our efforts at this time is ensuring the health and welfare of flight attendants today and in the future, and helping our fellow crew members, families and friends in dealing with yesterday's tragic events.

Flight attendants, families and friends of flight attendants involved in this tragedy can access a world-wide network of guidance, counseling, information, and other assistance by calling the AFA Employee Assistance Program Hotline, 1-800-424-2406. EAP representatives will direct those in need to local counselors, service agencies, and mental health professionals.

Group services are also being established at or near airports to support crew members once air service resumes.

AFA has also established the Flight Attendant Disaster Relief Fund to provide help to the families of our friends and flying partners in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks. Flight attendants, families, friends and the general public who wish to provide assistance in this time of tragedy can send contributions made out to ``Flight Attendant Disaster Relief Fund,'' 1275 K Street, NW, Fifth Floor, Washington, DC, 20005.

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/010912/dcw035_1.html

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Isn't liability always based on the deep pocket principle?

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First, a collective THANK YOU from those of us in the New York area. You have no idea how much your support means to all of us.

Next. GIVE BLOOD. It's very important. (sorry for the duplicate post- but this is worth repeating).

A friend of mine is a New York City police officer. I asked how any local can help. He stated that things are a little unorganized right now. (early Tuesday morning). He advised me and any others to STAY AWAY from the city right now.
Anyone with medical knowledge can help.
(Knowledge of mileage running is not acceptable - sorry, just trying to keep my wits here.)

Some of the roads into the city are open. All roads south of 14th Street are closed off.

The hardest thing for many of us here in New York is not being able to help.
Please give blood. It really is painless. I know. The government is flying blood into the New York area.

It's been hard to get online. I'll try to add some info later.

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Perhaps if you are George N. Tompkins, Jr.

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...due to the heroic actions of the pilot downing the plane beforehand...
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MSNBC indicates 3 pax may have counter-attacked terrorists and attempted to re-take plane. {quote and link below}

UAL 93 went down about an hour after the first hit on the WTC. With cell phone comm. up, some pax could have known that the planes were being used as missiles, and that they were going to die if they did nothing.

I can only imagine that they initially thought that this would be a "land the plane/refuel/demand money/demand release of prisoners" type of hijack.

In any event, if this story is true, these pax had some *serious* cojones. God bless every one of them......

O/H

{Link to article appears after quote}

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"A FIGHT TO THE END
From the back of the plane, Thomas Burnett, a businessman from San Ramon, Calif., called his wife, Deena. The flight was doomed he said. They were going to die. One passenger had already been stabbed to death. Burnett couldnt just sit and let it happen.
"I know were all going to die theres three of us who are going to do something about it," the familys priest quoted Burnett as saying.
The Rev. Frank Colacicco told the San Francisco Chronicle that Burnett then told his wife, "I love you, honey."
Did Burnett and other passengers know what had happened at the World Trade Center or the Pentagon? Had something said in the cockpit spurred the decision to fight back? Did they know where the plane was headed?
Details of what the passengers did next are not known, nor is it known whether their actions were successful.
At 10 a.m., the plane suddenly went down, crashing into rural western Pennsylvania, where it created a crater 30 feet across and 20 feet deep, and scattered debris for half a mile.
Whatever target was intended for destruction was spared, and with it untold lives."

http://www.msnbc.com/news/627214.asp?0si=-


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Officials Say They May Have Identified Attackers

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...D-INQUIRE.html

'I know we're all going to die'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/wor...00/1540158.stm

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For One Firefighter's Friend, a Desperate Search Pays Off

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...CND-SQUAD.html

Akamai co-founder dies in hijack

Akamai Technologies confirms that Daniel Lewin, Akamai's co-founder and CTO, was a passenger on one of the planes
that crashed into the World Trade Center.

http://cgi.zdnet.com/slink?138722:1886883

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The true heros are the people risking their lives going through the rubble.....
There is reports on FOX NEWS for being over 30,000 deaths in NYC. Also, FOX NEWS is again reporting about the AA internal memo that uniforms and ids were stolen in Rome, Italy last month and to be on the look out for "fake" pilots.

I am praying for all men and women flying tomorrow and in the near future. We all want to get home to our love ones and I pray for safety of all.


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Talk Show Figure and TV Producer Among Lost Passengers

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/12/national/12PASS.html

Taliban Plead for Mercy to the Miserable in a Land of Nothing

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...ia/13AFGH.html


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Talk Show Figure and TV Producer Among Lost Passengers

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/12/national/12PASS.html

Taliban Plead for Mercy to the Miserable in a Land of Nothing

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...ia/13AFGH.html


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Stung by suggestions that President Bush had hurt himself politically by delaying his return to Washington on Tuesday, the White House asserted today that Mr. Bush had done so because of hard evidence that he was a target of the terrorists who hijacked airliners and slammed them into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

Ari Fleischer, the White House press secretary, said this afternoon that officials had "real and credible information" that the White House, not the Pentagon, had been the original target of American Airlines Flight 77, which was hijacked about 45 minutes after leaving Dulles International Airport in Virginia.

Another senior official said that after that plane hit the Pentagon, a chilling threat was phoned to the Secret Service.

"Air Force One is next," the official quoted the caller as saying. The threat was accompanied by code words that indicated knowledge of White House procedures, the official said.

Karl Rove, Mr. Bush's adviser, said in an interview this morning that Mr. Bush had twice on Tuesday in the morning and in the early afternoon argued strenuously that he should return immediately to the capital. Mr. Rove reported that the Secret Service insisted that the situation here was "too dangerous, too unstable" for the president to come to Washington.

"We are talking about specific and credible intelligence," Mr. Rove said, "not vague suspicions."

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...al/13PREX.html


Instincts to Flee Competed With Instructions to Remain

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...on/13TOWE.html

For First Time, NATO Invokes Pact With U.S.

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...pe/13EURO.html


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Stung by suggestions that President Bush had hurt himself politically by delaying his return to Washington on Tuesday, the White House asserted today that Mr. Bush had done so because of hard evidence that he was a target of the terrorists who hijacked airliners and slammed them into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

Ari Fleischer, the White House press secretary, said this afternoon that officials had "real and credible information" that the White House, not the Pentagon, had been the original target of American Airlines Flight 77, which was hijacked about 45 minutes after leaving Dulles International Airport in Virginia.

Another senior official said that after that plane hit the Pentagon, a chilling threat was phoned to the Secret Service.

"Air Force One is next," the official quoted the caller as saying. The threat was accompanied by code words that indicated knowledge of White House procedures, the official said.

Karl Rove, Mr. Bush's adviser, said in an interview this morning that Mr. Bush had twice on Tuesday in the morning and in the early afternoon argued strenuously that he should return immediately to the capital. Mr. Rove reported that the Secret Service insisted that the situation here was "too dangerous, too unstable" for the president to come to Washington.

"We are talking about specific and credible intelligence," Mr. Rove said, "not vague suspicions."

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...al/13PREX.html


Instincts to Flee Competed With Instructions to Remain

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...on/13TOWE.html

For First Time, NATO Invokes Pact With U.S.

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...pe/13EURO.html


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Osama bin Laden reportedly under house arrest:

http://au.dailynews.yahoo.com/headli...141825578.html

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Stung by suggestions that President Bush had hurt himself politically by delaying his return to Washington on Tuesday, the White House asserted today that Mr. Bush had done so because of hard evidence that he was a target of the terrorists who hijacked airliners and slammed them into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

Ari Fleischer, the White House press secretary, said this afternoon that officials had "real and credible information" that the White House, not the Pentagon, had been the original target of American Airlines Flight 77, which was hijacked about 45 minutes after leaving Dulles International Airport in Virginia.

Another senior official said that after that plane hit the Pentagon, a chilling threat was phoned to the Secret Service.

"Air Force One is next," the official quoted the caller as saying. The threat was accompanied by code words that indicated knowledge of White House procedures, the official said.

Karl Rove, Mr. Bush's adviser, said in an interview this morning that Mr. Bush had twice on Tuesday in the morning and in the early afternoon argued strenuously that he should return immediately to the capital. Mr. Rove reported that the Secret Service insisted that the situation here was "too dangerous, too unstable" for the president to come to Washington.

"We are talking about specific and credible intelligence," Mr. Rove said, "not vague suspicions."

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...al/13PREX.html


Instincts to Flee Competed With Instructions to Remain

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...on/13TOWE.html

For First Time, NATO Invokes Pact With U.S.

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...pe/13EURO.html


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Anybody seen anything like this report aired by WNBC-TV in New York about a possible fifth hijacking that was thwarted at JFK?

There is no way to know now if a fifth hijacking was foiled at JFK Airport by alert United Airlines employees. But just as the first World Trade Center tower was being attacked Tuesday, United Airlines Flight 23 was boarding at the Queens airport.

http://www.wnbc.com/wtc/wtc56.html

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I noted earlier that all employees of my company made it out of the two floors they occupied in the 2nd tower (and its now official), we did have one employee on one of the hijacked planes.

-David

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Barest Count, by Three of Hundreds of Companies, Has 1,500 Missing

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...on/13PLAN.html

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German police have held an airport worker seemingly linked to the attack

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The mayor has now said that 3,700 are still missing in NYC!

The number of requested body bags to be delivered here to NYC also just went up. The number is unfathomable!

The Goethals & Verrazanno Bridges to/from SI has just also imposed a "lockdown" due to another suspicious vehicle.

There is reportedly an "extensive manhunt" taking place on Staten Island early this morning.

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Lloyd's says has substantial U.S. attack exposure
LONDON, Sept 13 (Reuters) - Lloyd's of London [LOL.UL], the world's largest insurance market, said on Thursday it had substantial exposure to the two U.S. airlines whose planes were hijacked on Tuesday and the World Trade Center they devastated.

``Lloyd's confirms... it has a substantial involvement in the insurance of United Airlines (NYSE:UAL - news) and American Airlines (NYSE:AMR - news), and the World Trade Center complex,'' Lloyd's said in a statement.

Chairman Sax Riley reiterated that it was too soon to quantify total losses for Lloyd's, but forecast some managing agents that oversee syndicates would soon come up with estimates of their own liability.

``The tragic events in the United States this week have generated the most complex set of insurance liabilities and interdependencies the industry has ever seen. The situation is not static,'' Riley said in the statement.

The insurance industry worldwide could face a bill of $10-15 billion dollars as a result of the attack on the World Trade Center, industry experts have estimated.

http://biz.yahoo.com/rf/010913/l13132438_1.html

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Statement of U.S. Secretary of Transportation Norman Y. Mineta
WASHINGTON, Sept. 13 /PRNewswire/ -- Secretary of Transportation Norman Y. Mineta has ordered the national airspace system re-opened to commercial and private aviation, effective at 11 a.m. Eastern time Thursday.

The Secretary's decision was made after a series of meetings throughout the day and night Wednesday with White House and Cabinet officials, Federal Aviation Administration Administrator Jane Garvey, aviation industry leaders, as well as intelligence and law enforcement representatives.

``The re-opening of our national airspace is good news for travelers, for the airlines and for our economy,'' Secretary Mineta said. ``But I must caution everyone that a system as diverse and complex as ours cannot be brought back up instantly. We will re-open airports and resume flights on a case-by-case basis, only after they implement our more stringent levels of security. This phased approach will assure the highest levels of safety, which remains our primary goal.

``Anyone planning on flying should check with their airline regarding the level of service and flight schedules, and be sure to allow plenty of time to deal with our new security procedures. There will be some inconveniences, but safety will be the first element of our system to be restored,'' the Secretary said.

On Wednesday, Secretary Mineta had approved a limited re-opening of the system, allowing aircraft diverted during Tuesday's terrorist attacks to continue to their destinations or be repositioned in anticipation of today's decision.

At the same time, he announced a series of heightened security measures, including a ban on curbside luggage check-in and off-airport passenger check- in. Before being allowed to re-open, airports must clear their terminals of people and conduct thorough searches. Once re-opened, airports will feature an increased presence of law enforcement officers, restricted access beyond the screening area and other restrictions.

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/010913/dcth005_1.html


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Staten Island is now completely cut off this morning as the Verrazano is also closed and though the Midtown tunnel has opened there are police checkpoints here at the Midtown Tunnel and tremendous delays here as well.

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"Homeland defense" is now being dubbed the likely fastest growing sector in the economy
in the wake of this attack on NYC & DC!


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Reportedly now bin Laden has been put under "house arrest" by the Taliban government in Afghanistan.

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The NYPD and the FBI are reputedly shutting down and isolating SI until the manhunt ends and the suspects are questioned.
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American Air pilot uniforms, ID badges lost: report
NEW YORK, Sept 13 (Reuters) - American Airlines (NYSE:AMR - news) sent out an internal memo two weeks ago warning its employees to be vigilant about impostors after one of its crews had uniforms and ID badges stolen in Italy, Fox News reported.

Fox News reported on its Web site that the uniforms and identification were stolen when the crew's Rome hotel room was broken into a few months ago.

Federal law enforcement sources told Fox that they are looking at the incident with ``renewed focus'' to determine whether it is connected with the hijacked planes involved in Tuesday's deadly attacks on New York and outside Washington.

An airline spokesman told Reuters he could not comment on the report because the carrier is cooperating with the FBI and any information could affect investigations.

http://biz.yahoo.com/rf/010913/n13139122_1.html

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German police said they have detained an airport worker after searching a Hamburg apartment where two pilots suspected in the New York and Washington terrorist attacks lived.


Police Wednesday night searched a flat in the Harburg section of the northern German city where Mohammed Atta, 33, and Marwan Alshehhi, 23, had lived. Both are suspected pilots in the attacks where hijacked planes were crashed into the World Trade Center towers and Pentagon. A fourth plane went down before hitting its target.

"The (detained) man was in one of the searched apartments that was used by the two suspects," said Gerhard Mueller, head of the state's police. Officials would release no further details about the man or where he worked though they said they were initially looking for a Moroccan.

Both Alshehhi and Atta had been enrolled at the Hamburg technical university and were legally in the country, police said.

http://www.ftmarketwatch.com/news/st...-FABC262C9756}

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US authorities have identified a team of as many as 50 people responsible for supporting or carrying out the deadly attacks against the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, according to a published report.

Meanwhile, New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani reported that 3,700 are missing in the rubble of where the city's tallest buildings once stood.

Added to the deaths in Washington and Pennsylvania when commandeered airliners crashed into the Pentagon and a grassy field southeast of Pittsburgh, the total loss of life is now at about 4,000.

That compares with the 2,390 Americans who died at Pearl Harbor nearly 60 years ago.

The New York Times reported that three financial companies with offices in the complex said more than 1,500 workers were unaccounted for.

The Los Angeles Times reported in its online edition late Thursday that the FBI hit pay dirt in the hours after the Tuesday morning attack, discovering suicide notes and credit-card bills in raids up and down the East Coast.

The information led investigators to identify a team of 50 attackers, 10 of whom are still at large, the report said, citing a source familiar with the investigation. The other 40 men either died in the attacks or were otherwise accounted for.

The suspected terrorists all carried Middle Eastern passports and belonged to four independent cells, the paper said, citing law enforcement and intelligence officials. The authorities also believe that 27 of the suspected terrorists received various kinds of pilot training, which could explain how they were able to direct hijacked planes towards the Pentagon and the World Trade Center.

The nation's airports were closed for a third day on Thursday, partly to prevent the suspected terrorists from fleeing the country, it said. Flights are allowed to reposition planes and to return stranded passengers, but only under stricter guidelines now in place. See full story.

U.S. officials believe the suspected terrorists are linked to Saudi multimillionaire Osama bin Laden, who has reportedly denied involvement in the attacks from his home base of Afghanistan.

A Florida congressman who flew with President Bush on Air Force One after the attacks said he was told that the White House was "95 percent confident" bin Laden was to blame, Reuters reported.

Investigators have been focusing their efforts in the last few days in East Coast states that range from Maine to Florida. On Wednesday, police took people into custody in Boston and south Florida, but no arrests were made, authorities said.

The attacks represented the most serious terrorist attacks against the U.S. in history.

By Wednesday afternoon, the investigation had centered in Boston and neighboring communities as well as such Florida towns as Vero Beach, Venice, Daytona Beach and Coral Springs, according to media reports.

Authorities were also gathering evidence in Providence, R.I., and Portland, Maine, as the process moved quickly across the Eastern Seaboard.

No arrests have been made so far, officials said at a Justice Dept. hearing.

It wasn't clear whether the people who had been apprehended were suspects or merely being asked to assist in the process of gathering evidence. Two of the hijacked flights on Monday originated from Boston.

Thousands of onlookers swarmed in front of the Westin Hotel at Copley Square in Boston, turning the scene into chaos.

FBI agents stormed the hotel to search for clues and dozens of local motorcycle police officers assisted them.


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FWIW the manhunt involves a car originally spotted in NJ. No further details.

Yet reports now that the bridges & SI are reopened. Yet the traffic is well - forget about it.


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The city downtown, south of 14th St still remains closed today, but the mayor has just stated they will try to get things opened up at least down to Canal St by tomorrow morning.

The Javits Ctr will be used as a staging area for volunteers.

The primary election will be rescheduled for the 25th.

The United States said this morning it had allowed U.S. national airspace reopened to commercial and private aviation effective at 11 a.m. EDT .

Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta said in a statement that U.S. airports will be reopened and flights resumed on a case-by-case basis, only after they implement more stringent levels of security imposed following Tuesday's attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

"I must caution everyone that a system as diverse and complex as ours cannot be brought back up instantly," Mineta said in the statement distributed by the White House.

"We will reopen airports and resume flights on a case-by-case basis, only after they implement our more stringent levels of security," he added. "This phased approach will assure the highest levels of safety, which remains our primary goal."

Mineta said anyone planning to fly should check with their airline on the level of service and flight schedules and should allow plenty of time to deal with new security procedures.

On Wednesday the US government had cleared airlines for limited service and imposed tougher security requirements for airports and airlines, including bans on knives and curbside check-ins.


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Federal authorities told CNN today that a Saudi man was cooperating with them in the investigation of Tuesday's terror attacks. Congress is poised to free up billions and approve the use of force. As rescuers continue their work, New York City ordered 10,000 body bags to cope with the horrific casualties.

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The car that is the object of this manhunt and its two pax was lost and the Outerbridge Crossing remains closed!

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Passengers voted to attack hijackers

http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/12/plane.phone.call/


German police hold two over attacks

http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe...lat/index.html


New York rescuers search; 10,000 body bags ordered

http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/13/search/


Playing the waiting game


Major League Baseball has postponed nearly 50 games. Four golf tournaments have been canceled. Some college football teams will play, some won't. Yet the NFL remains undecided on whether to play as scheduled Sunday. SI's Don Banks says the league is struggling over its decision.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/


Pakistan offers U.S. 'unstinted cooperation'

http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapc...ort/index.html


World shares U.S. grief

http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe...nse/index.html

World victims among NY dead

http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe...ims/index.html


Diplomats, reporters, aid staff flee Afghanistan

http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapc...ghan.evacuate/

Bin Laden, millionaire with a dangerous grudge

http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/12/bin...ile/index.html

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Talk about it, counselors advise

New York City schools worked feverishly Tuesday morning to evacuate students from the downtown area to safe locations in the north end of the city following an apparent air attack on the twin towers of the World Trade Center.

"All children have been moved out of danger, and only their parents are being allowed to pick them up," New York City Board of Education representative Catie Marshall said in a phone interview.

That was exactly the right move to make, says psychologist and trauma specialist Dr. Patty White.

"The first thing we try to do is to stabilize the kids by taking them away from stimulus," she says.

http://fyi.cnn.com/2001/fyi/teachers...ama/index.html

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CNN Quickvote today

Did Tuesday's terrorist attacks make you fear for your own safety?

Yes 58%

No 42%

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'Profound sense of shock'

http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/12/ama...nat.reax.otsc/

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More Reaction:

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Some of the alleged perpetrators have reportedly been in the US for over a year now and other additional highjackings may well have been averted also!
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A man who had been identified by federal authorities as a possible hijacker involved in Tuesday's terrorist attacks is alive and cooperating with the FBI, sources said Thursday.

Adnan Bukhari, who had attended pilot training school in Vero Beach Florida, was talking to FBI agents, sources said. A furniture salesman said he had seen Bukhari after the terrorist crashes, and he contacted authorities.

Bukhari's brother, Ameer Bukhari, died in a small plane crash in Florida last year, according to a lawyer for the family.

Federal sources had initially identified the brothers as possible hijackers who had boarded one of the planes that originated in Boston. Their names had been tied to a car founded at Logan International Airport in Boston. But Bukhari's attorney said it appeared their identifications were stolen and said Bukhari had no role in the hijackings.

The revelation came as U.S. agents continued to zero in on suspected pilots of the four hijacked jetliners.

http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/13/inv...ion.terrorism/

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Immediate Travel

The resumption of commercial air travel in the United States, initially scheduled for noon today, is turning out to be more problematic than initially indicated. Today's flights were limited to service designed to return stranded passengers to their desired destinations and to airlines repositioning diverted aircraft. Service will not be back to anything approaching normal for at least a week.

There will be a thorough search and security check of all airplanes and airports before passengers are allowed to board. Off-airport, curbside check-in and electronic check-in have been discontinued.

Southwest Airlines stands alone in what we have to recognize as the most humane airline rebooking and refund policy in effect. They will grant a refund on any ticket, for any travel dates. The airline that gave consumers the "Freedom to Fly" now extends the freedom not to fly. Hopefully, as reason and thought prevail, travelers will realize that air travel is still very much a part of the fabric of our lives, and take advantage of this policy only to a necessary extent.

Please go to http://www.bestfares.com/travel/desk...y.asp?id=37748 for a selection of current airline policies and travel dates for which no-fee changes and refunds are allowed.


Airport Delays & Changes--A Call For Patience

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Short-Term Changes & Long-Term Needs

In the days ahead, airlines, airports and government regulatory agencies will be working hard in an effort to safeguard U.S. air travel. There are some immediate changes that will help see us through. There are also some long-term changes that have been too long in the "pending projects" category. For our overview of what is being done and what needs to be accomplished, please access
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Your Rights On Refunds, Delays & Denied Boarding

We're in new territory with a never-before Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) grounding of U.S. commercial aircraft. We know what the rules are when an airline overbooks, when we cancel travel and when flights are delayed. In our current situation, we will learn a lot about the levels of respect various airlines have for their passengers. To use a Spike Lee film title, we will see if they Do The Right Thing. Go to http://www.bestfares.com/travel/desk...y.asp?id=37768 to learn what the airlines should be doing and how you can do your part to make sure your rights as a traveler are protected.


Know What To Expect At The Airport Before You Go

It's going to be a whole new world at U.S. airports in the days and weeks to come. Boston Logan and other airports have worked to comply with new Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) security measures. They're towing cars left without drivers, sweeping terminals for bombs, tightening access to secured areas, adding uniformed and plain clothes police presence and stepping up the number of random identification checks.

Many airports are requesting that passengers limit carry-on items as much as possible. They advise that passengers should expect extensive questioning prior to ticketing and boarding and multiple security screenings at security checkpoints and prior to boarding. Learn what to expect and be prepared for your next flight by going to
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More News You Need To Know

Other articles currently on our special edition News Desk: the shutdown of Midway Airlines, updates on ground travel and car rental options and cruise line response to the disruption in air service. There's also a statement from the airline pilots union, ways you can help be the "eyes and ears" that increase air travel security, an overview of the situation of U.S. travelers stranded in international cities, and more.

Our Travel Clubs remain open for those in need of assistance with travel purchases.

Most important, we join the nation and the world in mourning the tragic loss of life that occurred as a result of the horror of September 11.

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Clearly, if the fatalities come in as now anywhere near expected, it will be about twice the number killed at Pearl Harbor - all innocent civilians in this case!

The grief I feel is nearly unbearable!

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Now the central terminal at LGA has reportedly been ordered evacuated due to a "police action."


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It also seems that carryon bags are OK, at least for now.

http://www.cnn.com/2001/TRAVEL/NEWS/09/13/faa.airports/

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Scam artists capitalize on tragedy

Spam urging Red Cross donations sends users to trick site

DO NOT RESPOND OR YOU WILL LIKLEY HAVE YOUR CC NUMBER STOLEN

http://www.msnbc.com/news/628230.asp

Risking their own lives, workers using bulldozers and shovels dug desperately Thursday, hunting for survivors in a six-story high pile of rubble that was the World Trade Center. Some 4,763 people have been reported missing in the terrorism attack and the city has 30,000 body bags at the ready, New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani said Thursday. In Washington, a Pentagon source said the death toll there was now estimated at 190 people.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/627989.asp


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Inside the Plot

In an excerpt from TIME's forthcoming special issue, TIME's exclusive reporting on the terror in the sky and the plotting on the ground.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...174639,00.html


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America Will Never Be the Same

Michael Elliott on the hard war against terrorism

http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...174540,00.html

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Also, President Bush said he would visit New York City tomorrow and told city and state officials, "we will win this war."


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Reports are now that nearly 4800 are on the missing list!

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The suspension of air services to and within the US as a result of Tuesday's terrorist attacks could cost the global airline sector $10 billion, according to industry estimates.

The International Air Transport Association (IATA) said the estimate arises from lost revenue, aircraft maintenance and wages after the U.S. Government closed the country's airspace on Tuesday.


Airlines also received further bad news when credit ratings agency Standard & Poor's put all U.S. airlines and related entities on creditwatch with negative implications. This could raise borrowing costs across the industry. See ratings watch.

Air France announced on Thursday that it will resume air services to the United States, after U.S. aviation authorities begin to reopen air services. Hijackers took over and crashed two commercial jets each from AA and United.

Air France said it would resume flights to the United States from 1600 (CET), making it the first European airline to resume flights to the U.S. "There are three flights scheduled to the U.S. this evening, to New York and Washington D.C.," a spokeswoman said.

She said it was to early to know how many flights would be allowed into US airports. "It depends which airports the Americans reopen first and what security steps they take," the spokeswoman said.

Dutch airline KLM said that it had received word from the Federal Aviation Authorities in the United States will be reopened in phases, starting around 1800 CET on Thursday. See U.S. flights grounded.

"However, KLM will not be resuming its scheduled services to the United States and Canada immediately," the Dutch airline said. "There are clear indications that airports in these countries will be temporarily swamped by the vast stream of incoming flights, resulting in lengthy delays," it said.

KLM said there are 1,100 passengers stranded in the Netherlands, staying at hotels and other lodgings.

British Airways said that services to the U.S. and Canada remained suspended, and a resumption of services was under review.

The British flag carrier said that even though Canadian airspace remains closed, Canadian authorities have approved the departure of Tuesday's diverted flights back to the U.K.

The airline said that its services to Tel Aviv have resumed, although services to the Pakistani capital Islamabad remained suspended.

Europe's largest airline Lufthansa said no services to the U.S. will depart until further notice.

"There won't be any flights before 3 p.m. (Frankfurt time)," a Lufthansa spokeswoman said. The company had thought the Federal Aviation Administration would allow it to fly into the U.S. again this morning but that ruling was changed.

Tel Aviv flights resume

Lufthansa flights into Tel Aviv have resumed but the company is still uncertain when 11 flights stranded in Canada will make their way back across the Atlantic. Those flights had been heading to the U.S. and were forced to land outside the country after the attacks in New York and Washington.

The German company's shares traded 2 percent lower at 12.45 going into the lunchtime Dax session after falling by as much as 3 percent. The stock is off by a fifth so far this week as investors worry the cancelled flights will slam profits.

Cancellations

According to the airline's website, 44 flights were shelved on Wednesday from all major German airports including Frankfurt, Dusseldorf and Munich. The company has said it's unable to estimate the damages from the cancelled trips.

BAA the operator of Europe's busiest airport Heathrow, said other services to Europe and elsewhere are operating, but there may be delays to some aircraft due to the ban of flights over central London.

U.K. budget airline easyJet which does not fly to the U.S., said it aims to operate 95 percent of its flights on Thursday, but has cancelled some services between the U.K. and Europe, and some domestic services.

Ryanair said all its flights are operating as normal, but will close its head office in Dublin on Friday as part of the Irish Government's national day of mourning on Friday.


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Summary of latest developments:

o President Bush accepted an invitation from Gov. George Pataki and New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani to observe the damage in New York; he will arrive Friday afternoon. Bush says he has directed Attorney General John Ashcroft to expedite payment of benefits for firefighters and police officers injured or killed.

o Rescuers in New York are searching for a survivor who contacted authorities via cell phone early Thursday morning. The survivor is believed to be in the basement of the northern World Trade Center tower.

o One of two brothers who had been identified by federal authorities as possible hijackers involved in the terrorist attacks is alive and cooperating with the FBI, sources said. Federal sources initially had identified Adnan Bukhari and Ameer Bukhari as possible hijackers who had boarded one of the planes that originated in Boston. Bukhari's attorney, however, said that Adnan Bukhari was not involved and that Ameer Bukhari died in a small plane crash last year. The attorney said that the brothers' identification had been stolen.

o The U.S. Department of Transportation said Thursday that U.S. airspace would be reopened at 11 a.m. EDT. The department said those airports that meet new tighter security guidelines would be allowed to reopen. All three New York airports ---- La Guardia, Kennedy and Newark -- re-opened Thursday on a "limited basis."

o New York authorities fear the building at 1 Liberty Street and the Millennium Hotel could still collapse.

o Authorities shut down New York's Staten Island at 8 a.m. on Thursday to begin a "grid search" for a vehicle.

o Bomb-sniffing dogs were sweeping through the Pentagon Thursday morning as employees at the Washington D.C.-area facility returned to work.

o German police said they had detained a male airport worker and have brought in a woman for questioning.

o Sheriff's officers in Sebastian County, Arkansas, detained a man who was taken into custody after a massive search by federal agents for a vehicle that they found Wednesday. A jail employee told CNN the FBI told them not to comment for "national security reasons." A spokeswoman at FBI headquarters in Washington said, "We can't comment on that."

o Authorities believe they have found the wheel of one of the planes that crashed into a World Trade Center tower four blocks away from ground zero.

o Major League Baseball has postponed nearly 50 games. Four golf tournaments have been canceled. Some college football teams will play, some won't, and the NFL was to decide Thursday whether to cancel weekend play.

o Diplomats and aid workers are evacuating Afghanistan, fearing reprisal from the United States.

o Mortuary personnel at Dover Air Force Base in Delaware on Thursday afternoon will start receiving bodies of victims killed in the terrorist attack on the Pentagon, officials tell CNN.

o St. Vincent Hospital and Medical Center, a trauma center in lower Manhattan, is trying to put together a Web site that lists names of patients injured in the terror attack at the World Trade Center. Officials there say they hope to have it up Thursday.

o Countries around the world are sharing the grief of the United States as it becomes clear that hundreds of their citizens were caught in the terrorist attacks in New York.

o Pakistan's military ruler, General Pervez Musharraf, has promised full cooperation with the United States in its fight against terrorism.

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Two additional survivors have just been pulled from the WTC rubble.


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Yet, on the other hand, Grand Central Station was ordered evacuated as is the buildings in the surrounding area!


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Reports now the the two hijacked jets that eventually hit the twin towers in NYC nearly crashed into each other over Stewart Airport beforehand, according to an FAA employee!

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Airlines Expect to Resume Limited Service

http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/010913/busin...sume_dc_1.html

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UPDATE: At Grand Central the situation is a complete evacuation including the adjacent Met Life Building etc. They are looking for some kind of "device" from an apparently credible source.

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Flights Resume in the U.S., but Service Far From Normal

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...-AIRLINES.html

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Link to website providing a database of survivors:

http://wtc.ny.com


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The total number of highjackers was reported to be at least 18 and they were ticketed pax, 5,5,4 and 4 on each aircraft.

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Bomb scares were also reported at American University in DC.

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Temporarily satisfied with the new security requirements issued by the Federal Aviation Administration, the Airline Pilots Association has urged its pilots to return to work.

But a union spokesman said Thursday that while the list of safety standards is sufficient to resume operations, it's not enough. John Mazor, a spokesman for the ALPA, characterized the FAA's list - the prohibition of knives on aircraft, tighter restrictions on ramp access, and greater screening of passengers and luggage - as a short-term solution to security issues.

The ALPA represents 67,000 airline pilots and 47 airlines in the U.S. and Canada, including Delta and United. Only a few pilots have called the ALPA saying they don't intend to return to work, Mazor said.

"Obviously they're concerned," he said. The pilots do receive training and have procedures to deal with threats to security while in the air, Mazor added, although he declined to comment on what the training entailed.

Mazor said the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon provide "a wave for people like us to push through some of the security measures we've been pushing for years."

"The FAA has always been accused of having a tombstone mentality, and while that's not always true and not always fair, there is an element of truth to that," Mazor said.

One security measure the ALPA intends to promote in new aircraft is a cockpit door that is designed to be a protective barrier. To retrofit existing aircraft with new doors creates an enormous amount of red tape, he said.

"It's not like the airlines can run down to the local hardware store and put some heavier locks on the doors," he said.

"For future versions of aircraft, we want to throw away the old drawings for the cockpit bulkhead and door... at the same time, incorporate design features so that in an emergency, the crew can still get the door open and get out."

In a statement Wednesday, ALPA Captain Duane Woerth said he was committed to continue working with the government and the carriers to improve the security system. In urging the pilots to return to work, Woerth said "that in doing so, they not hesitate to exercise captain's authority to the fullest extent to ensure the safety of each and every flight."

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Reportedly some additional firefighters, perhaps three, may also have now been found alive.

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And an additional bomb threat has now also been reported at Rockefeller Center.

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And now it hjas been confirmed that 5 firefighters have been rescued in an SUV buried in the rubble of the World Trade Center!

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Congress works together to fight 'common enemy'

http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/13/congress.terrorism/


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Southwest Airlines Will Resume Service Friday

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/010913/dath015_1.html


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Insurers fret over who pays for U.S. disaster

http://biz.yahoo.com/rf/010913/l13266136_1.html

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Reports now of another building collapse in lower Manhattan, possibly the American Express Building or another nearby structure on Vesey St!

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Debris found six miles from Pennsylvania crash

http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/13/penn.attack/

Early probe results show 18 hijackers took part

http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/13/inv...ion.terrorism/


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The top floors are now buckling and crumbling at 1 Liberty Plaza as well!

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Airports Security Certification List

http://www.faa.gov/ats/ata/airport_c...port_cert.html

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Apparently highjackers checked in at the EWR Marriott using their real names prior to takeoff and implementation of their highjack & suicide plan and authorities reportedly have raided the 4th floor room where they stayed.

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It turns out the LGA situation was actually due to a "wisecrack" made by a pax about having a device in his bag!


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Continuing danger of imminent collapse at the Amex Building, home of Amex & Lehman, according to reports.

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NFL, Other Sports Cancel Games

http://www.newyorktimes.com/aponline...ellations.html

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Colin L. Powell today identified Osama bin Laden, the Islamic militant who has taken refuge in Afghanistan, as a prime suspect in engineering the attacks against the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

Although Islamic extremists have been mentioned as possible suspects in the attacks, and State Department officials have privately pointed the finger at Mr. bin Laden, Secretary Powell's announcement was the first public accusation of the Saudi exile by a top administration official.

Attorney General John Ashcroft said today that investigators were making progress in tracking down those involved in the attacks. He also said that the hijackers had "significant ground support" and that the "number of associates was significant." although he provided no details. Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz spoke, too, of a "campaign, not a single action" against terrorists and their sponsors.

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...CND-PLANE.html

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Now no ML Baseball through Sunday!


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Boeing releases names of three crash victims

http://biz.yahoo.com/rf/010913/n13179639_1.html

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NBAA Board Votes to Postpone 54th Annual Meeting & Convention in Response to National Tragedy

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/010913/dcth037_1.html

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Rescuers have picked up the signal from the black box of the jet that struck the Pentagon.

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Ongoing Airport Status Page

http://www.cnn.com/2001/TRAVEL/NEWS/...nks/index.html

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Exchanges Plan to Open for Trading on Monday

http://www.newyorktimes.com/aponline...ts-Reopen.html

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There are reportedly arrests made at JFK where those claiming to be pilots with false IDs etc tried to penetrate security.

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An are in Ft Lee, NJ was also searched by authorities.

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Billions in Claims Expected, but Compensation Could Vary Widely

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...ss/13INSU.html

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Over 2,500 Register Information on Missing Persons

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...D-MISSING.html


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The number of false bomb thrests is now at about 90!

Who would perpetuate such a "thing"... especially at this time!

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Police Commissioner Says Arrest Made at Kennedy Airport

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...YAIRPORTS.html

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Cheney Moved to Camp David

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...ashington.html

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10 Held at Kennedy Airport and La Guardia, Closing Both

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...on/14AIRP.html


and EWR also still remains closed this morning.


UPDATE: All of these folks have now reportedly been cleared! There were NO boxcutters and/or knives, despites the reports to that effect! One was arrested simply because he was belligerent.


Airlines Serving Stranded Passengers
Airlines Scramble to Serve Stranded Ticket Holders

http://biz.yahoo.com/apf/010914/atta...holders_1.html

Europeans Hold Six Islamic Suspects

http://www.newyorktimes.com/reuters/...m-arrests.html

Black Boxes from Pentagon Crash Found

http://www.newyorktimes.com/reuters/...gon-boxes.html

A Vow to Erase Terrorist Networks bin Laden Is Singled Out

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...al/14CAPI.html


Security company at Washington, Newark airports fined for hiring practices last year

http://www.nandotimes.com/business/s...-1100489c.html

New Safety Rules Praised, Panned Policy: Experts welcome the ban on knives but say parking limits and other measures are pointless. Still, they hope for a new U.S. resolve to make aviation secure.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...01assess.story

Elite Force Aims to Avert Air Attacks

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/14/na...RS.html?ex=100 1131200&en=13fbe0f7d1496f1a&ei=5040&partner=MOREOV ER

U.S. Jets Force Down Small Planes in 3 Incidents

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/14/na...RC.html?ex=100 1131200&en=3761623aed1d092a&ei=5040&partner=MOREOV ER

Recovered Recorder May Give Clues of a Struggle for Control

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/14/na...NN.html?ex=100 1131200&en=dccddc0bb0cb553c&ei=5040&partner=MOREOV ER


Authorities Have Learned the Identities of 18 Hijackers, Attorney General Says

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...al/14INQU.html

Attacks and Harassment of Middle-Eastern Americans Rising

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...al/14ISLA.html

Flights Are Cleared to Resume, but the Skies Remain Largely Empty

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...al/14TRAN.html

Even Workers Can See Flaws in Airlines' Screening System

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...al/14SECU.html


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And the Holland Tunnel remains closed for the foreseeable future.

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Also Japan's securities watchdogs said Friday it was now investigating trading around the time of this week's terror attacks in the US to determine if any transactions were linked to Islamic militant Osama bin Laden. A Securities and Exchange Surveillance Commission official confirmed the probe as to whether there were dubious trades on the Tokyo and Osaka stock exchanges and whether these were linked to bin Laden, whom US officials say is a prime suspect in the attacks.

A report from London in the Sankei Shimbun newspaper said US & British intelligence agencies were investigating if there were links between bin Laden and some trades in securities futures in the US and Europe before and after the attacks.

Such transactions could have reaped huge profits for people knowing in advance of the attacks and speculating on a resulting fall in share prices.


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Another bomb threat at another NYC School as well this morning, sadly.

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Aviation Attorney Calls For Resignation Of FAA Head

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/010914/flf008_1.html

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E-ticketholders face airport delays

Like all travelers, online air travel buyers are likely to be slowed by new security regulations at the nation's airports. Only ticketed passengers with photo identification will be allowed beyond security checkpoints, according to the Federal Aviation Administration's online question-and-answer page about new rules implemented in the wake of Tuesday's terrorist attacks at the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Travelocity and Southwest Airlines told CNet that this means passengers will need a hard-copy receipt of their e-ticket purchase, which can be printed at the time of the online transaction. Before the new requirement, e-ticket buyers could get a boarding pass by identifying themselves and showing a photo ID at the airport gate.

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Traveling by plane will never be the same again. Security concerns are going to change the way that tickets are purchased, passengers are checked in, baggage is handled and airline employees screened. This leaves many travelers wondering how airports will function in the future.

Many airports will be exploring the option of using biometric technologies, such as fingerprint scanners, iris scanners and facial recognition. Many feel that this is the future of airport security. If you are a reporter working on a story about the available options to improve airport security in the wake of this week's terrorist attacks, then John Ticer, an information security and authentication expert, would be a good source to discuss the following:


* How to increase security while minimizing inconvenience to travelers
through the use of policy-based authentication technology.

* The pros and cons of different biometric devices.

* The challenges involved in the large-scale deployment of authentication
technologies.

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/010914/dcf010_1.html

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Confusion reigns at Boston's Logan airport
BOSTON, Sept 14 (Reuters) - Passengers who had been told they had flights at Boston's Logan International airport began arriving on Friday only to be turned away by state police who told them the airport was still closed.

A few passengers tried to enter the United Airlines (NYSE:UAL - news) terminal, saying the airline had told them their flights would be departing.

Some U.S. airports began to reopen on Thursday and Friday after federal authorities shut down U.S. airspace on Tuesday in reaction to massive terror attacks in New York City and Washington.

But Boston's main airport remained closed.

``Logan is not open,'' MassPort spokesman Phil Orlandella told reporters. ``We are meeting with the airlines this morning. And when we do reopen we will give the airlines two to three hours notice before we open.''

http://biz.yahoo.com/rf/010914/n14194834_1.html

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As of 10:00 a.m. PDT today, Tellme Networks, Inc. has made available a free nationwide Air Travel Advisory Line, 1-877-322-9438, for anyone in the U.S. to check the status of airports nationwide, hear the new national airport security policies or listen to the latest statement from the Secretary of Transportation. Since many Americans do not have access to the Internet, for some this will be the only way to get on-demand nationwide information on airport openings and closures and hear important new airport policies.

Callers to 1-877-322-9438 simply say ``airport status,'' ``security policy'' or ``travel briefing.'' Updated every 15 minutes, saying ``airport status'' allows a caller to check by city which airports are currently opened or closed. To be prepared for any additional travel requirements, the caller can also say ``security policy'' to hear the new airport security policies or ``travel briefing'' to hear the latest FAA travel briefing. Using Internet and voice recognition technologies, the information on 1-877-322-9438 runs on Tellme's voice application network and uses content from www.faa.gov to provide the most up to date information to callers from any phone.

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Airlines May Run Half of Flights

http://www.newyorktimes.com/reuters/...s-flights.html

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Germany Frees Detained Man, Attack Probe Goes On

http://www.newyorktimes.com/reuters/...y-release.html

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Hamas, Egypt Group Back Taliban, Urge Muslim Unity

http://www.newyorktimes.com/reuters/...han-hamas.html

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There appears to be nothing useful on the flight recorders found at the Pentagon according to early reports. Speculation is that they may have been erased, if not damaged.


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U.S. Releases Names of 19 Suspected Hijackers

The U.S. Department of Justice Friday released the 19 names of suspected hijackers accused of commandeering four planes involved in the attacks that destroyed the World Trade Center and severely damaged the Pentagon.

On Thursday the Department of Justice had said there were 18 hijackers. The additional hijacker in its latest statement was on the plane which crashed into the Pentagon.

-- suspected hijackers Marwan Al Shehhi, Fayez Ahmed, Mohald Alshehri, Hamza Alghamdi and Ahmed Alghamdi were flying on United Airlines Flight 175, which destroyed the World Trade Center.

-- Waleed M. Alshehri, Wail Alshehri, Mohamed Atta, Abdulaziz Alomari and Satam Al Suqami were aboard American Airlines Flight 11, which also destroyed the World Trade Center.

-- Khalid Al-Midhar, Majed Moqed, Nawaq Alhamzi, Salem Alhamzi and Hani Hanjour were on American Airlines Flight 77, which gouged a hole in the Pentagon building.

-- Ahmed Alhaznawi, Ahmed Alnami, Ziad Jarrahi and Saeed Alghamdi were on United Airlines Flight 93, which crashed in the Pennsylvania countryside.


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Tips for Travelers as U.S. Air Travel Resumes

The tragedy of Tuesday, September 11, 2001 will forever change the way that travelers think and feel when traveling in the future. As such, the National Business Travel Association recommends the following precautions be integrated into your trip planning:

In the coming days as it relates to all travel:

1) Arrive at the airport well in advance of scheduled travel. For domestic travel, NBTA recommends arriving a minimum of two-three hours in advance.

2) Have all trip documentation and receipts, including two forms of photo ID.

3) Avoid e-tickets as a form of documentation. When possible request a paper ticket.

4) Be patient with requests for baggage checks, requests for documentation, and request for baggage to be checked by hand.

5) Limit carry on baggage to briefcases and purses. Clearly label all luggage including carry-ons.

Pre-trip Planning:

1) Share your travel itinerary with at least one of your business colleagues, as well as your family members. The itinerary should include flight information, local hotel information, and local contact numbers. Advise all parties of changes to your travel plans when they occur.

2) As it relates to packing, limit carry on bags to purses, briefcases and absolute essentials.

3) Have two forms of identification with you, ideally contained in separate locations. Carry any medical information with you that may be required should you be injured and incapacitated.

4) Carry all documentation and receipts related to your trip and travel plans.

5) Allow time for travel processing and allow airline personnel and security personnel to do their jobs. Your life and safety is literally in their hands.

6) Clearly identify all baggage -- including those bags that you may carry-on the plane.

During the Trip:

1) Be aware of your surroundings. Take note of what is happening around you.

2) Have trip documentation and identifications close by and accessible.

3) Be polite and considerate of airline and security personnel. Again, they have a job to do.

4) Have ID, credit cards and money in two separate locations.

5) Carry a fully-charged cell phone at all times. For international travel, be aware of how to make long distance and emergency calls.

6) If you are approached and feel that you may be a victim of crime or theft, do not try to be a hero. Respond to requests quickly and remain calm.

7) Carry with you at all times information related to medical conditions, blood type and all contact information.


As it relates to international travel:

1) Do not display wealth or attract attention

2) Keep a low profile. Avoid casual conversations with local citizens.

3) Dress to blend in and avoid clothing that would attract attention

4) Be aware of the location of local embassies and consulates.

5) Check security advisories in the country you are visiting.


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Airline Industry Faces Emergency That May Require Government Assistance
According to SH&E Airlines Will Need Significant Capital In Order to Recover

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/010914/142164_1.html

As the Pentagon pored over options for war against terrorism, President Bush on Friday gave the military authority to call 50,000 reservists to active duty for homeland defense and recovery missions.

The signed order was made public after the president attended a prayer service at National Cathedral.

http://www.newyorktimes.com/aponline...-Military.html


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F.B.I. Documents Detail the Movements of 19 Men Believed to Be Hijackers

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...al/15HIJA.html

An Unobtrusive Man's Odyssey: Polite Student to Suicide Hijacker

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...al/15GERM.html

Bush Singles Out bin Laden and Tells Military to Get Ready

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...5WIRE-PAK.html

Taliban Leader Talks Tough, Saying 'I Am Ready for Sacrifice'

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/15/in...ia/15AFGH.html


Continental said it will immediately reduce its long-term flight schedule by about 20 percent and will be forced to lay off about 12,000 employees due to the current and expected impact of terror attacks on the United States.

Continental cited a drastic decline in demand for air travel caused by this week's attacks on the United States and the operational and financial costs of dramatically increased security requirements.

http://www.newyorktimes.com/reuters/business/business-attack-airlines-continental.html[/ URL]

Lebanese Believed to Be One of 19 Hijack Suspects

[URL=http://www.newyorktimes.com/reuters/world/international-attack-hijacker-lebanon.html]http://www.newyorktimes.com/reuters/world/international-attack-hijacker-lebanon.html


Ashcroft: Inquiry Developing Clarity

http://www.newyorktimes.com/aponline...stigation.html


Microsoft to Change Flight Game

http://www.newyorktimes.com/aponline...Simulator.html


Pakistan: Unlikely to Use Military Outside Border

http://www.newyorktimes.com/reuters/world/international-attack-pakistan-military.html[/UR L]

Taliban Threaten Jihad in Face of U.S. Attacks

[URL=http://www.newyorktimes.com/reuters/world/international-attack-afghan-taliban.html]http://www.newyorktimes.com/reuters/world/international-attack-afghan-taliban.html

Death, Terror and Business Journalists

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...ia/15MEDI.html

Crews Comb Through WTC Wreckage

http://www.newyorktimes.com/aponline...de-Center.html

Gulf Arabs Poised to Help U.S. Hit Back - Experts

http://www.newyorktimes.com/reuters/...tack-gulf.html


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2 Suspected Hijackers Were Sought by F.B.I. at Time of the Attacks

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...al/16INQU.html

Pakistan to Demand Bin Laden

http://www.newyorktimes.com/aponline...-Pakistan.html

http://www.newyorktimes.com/reuters/...-pakistan.html

Four Days That Transformed a President, a Presidency and a Nation, for All Time

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...al/16RECO.html

Arab Militant Groups: a Deadly Cocktail

http://www.newyorktimes.com/reuters/...militants.html

Bush Asks Troops to Prepare for War

http://www.newyorktimes.com/aponline...t-Attacks.html


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Doc--as always, a great and useful compendium of articles about a topic of great interest to us. Thanks for your work.

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No need to thank me, Djlawman. It's my pleasure, as you know, and it is the collective efforts of all the FT community that truly makes it work. Thanks to all the FT participants who make it so very worthwhile for ALL of us!

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum95/HTML/001380.html

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The smoke is finally subsiding. yet there is still no power to Battery Park City.

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Summary of some recent developments:

President Bush pledges a "crusade" to "rid" the world of evil-doers, brushes off reported Osama bin Laden denial; Vice President Dick Cheney warns that those who harbor terrorists face ``the full wrath of the United States.

Pakistani official says senior delegation sent to Afghanistan to deliver US message: hand over Osama bin Laden or risk massive assault. Early reports are that this was unsuccesful!

The New York Stock Exchange and the Mercantile Exchange, as well as City Hall and other government buildings and courthouses, reopened this Monday morning, even as much of lower Manhattan remains inaccessible. Says Mayor Rudolph Giuliani: "A great way to help is to come here and spend money."

The number of missing at the World Trade Center reaches 5,097; 180 confirmed dead, 115 identified. The Pentagon death toll stands at 188; New York Fire Department promotes 168 firefighters to fill void left by nearly 300 firefighters still missing.

Republicans and Democrats discuss swift cooperation on budget and domestic issues as attention shifts to terrorist threat.

Patriotic songs mix with gospel as Americans attend Sunday services. Pope John Paul II says he is "heartbroken," and he urges restraint in retaliation.

Two killed, dozens injured as 50,000 Hindu nationalists march in Muslim area of southern India to protest terrorism, decry Pakistan and Taliban.

Next week's Ryder Cup golf tournament between US & European teams postponed for one year.


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Remains of the Day

The New York Times Magazine

A special issue made up of words written and images captured in the immediate aftermath of the terrorist attack.

The printed counterpart will not be available until Sept. 23.

http://www.nytimes.com/library/magazine/home/index.html

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Fed Cuts Rates Sharply to Bolster Markets Before Today's Opening

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...ND-MARKET.html

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China Gives Veiled Warning to U.S.

http://www.newyorktimes.com/reuters/...ack-china.html

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Park Place Postpones New Hotel Tower

http://www.newyorktimes.com/reuters/...parkplace.html

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I.S.P.'s Curb Terrorist Postings and an Anti-Islamic Backlash

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...ogy/17WEB.html

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Scouring the Internet in Search of the Tracks of Terrorists

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...gy/17CRYP.html

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A New War and Its Scale

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...al/17ASSE.html

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Expats Pack Bags as Nervous Firms Fear U.S. Strike

http://www.newyorktimes.com/reuters/...-security.html

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Suspected Terrorist Toured Tower

http://www.newyorktimes.com/aponline...cks-Logan.html

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Germany's stock market regulator said Monday it was looking into claims of suspicious short-selling ahead of the terrorist attacks in New York and Washington last week.

The German agency's statement came amid market rumors that Osama bin Laden may have tried to profit from stock trading ahead of the attacks. Published reports have said European and U.S. investigators were checking stock movements of three big European reinsurance companies -- Germany's Munich Re, Switzerland's Swiss Re and AXA of France.

http://www.newyorktimes.com/aponline...s-Trading.html

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Rate Cut Gives Nervous Investors Hope

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/busi...esumption.html

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Stock Market Reopens in New York

http://www.newyorktimes.com/aponline...esumption.html

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Wall St. Opens, NY Hums with Activity

http://www.newyorktimes.com/reuters/...adecenter.html

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Stocks Slide in Early Trading, Despite Fed Action

http://www.newyorktimes.com/2001/09/...ND-MARKET.html

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UPDATE: DOW now DOWN nearly 650 points or approximately 6%!


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Airline Stocks, Boeing Drop Lower

http://www.newyorktimes.com/reuters/...es-stocks.html

Wall Street Falls Sharply in Early Going

http://www.newyorktimes.com/reuters/...ts-stocks.html

Sky Marshals to Fly on Commercial Flights

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/nati...stigation.html

Panel Urges Terrorism Readiness

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/nati...ism-Panel.html

Justice Slow in Terrorism Cases

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/inte...n-Justice.html

Airline, Travel - Related Stocks Drop

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/busi...es-Stocks.html

AA is also expecting to announce job cuts as early as mid-week.

http://www.cnn.com/2001/TRAVEL/NEWS/...uts/index.html


Car rental companies and bus and train lines have been forced to accommodate a flood of unexpected business in the wake of this week's terrorist attacks, which crippled the nation's air traffic system for several days.

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/yh oo/story.asp?source=blq/yhoo&siteid=yhoo&dist=yhoo&guid=%7BFF516367%2D5739 %2D4DC7%2D9226%2D8BC9650E302E%7D

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A 5th warrant will reportedly soon be issued for another material witness.


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Attacks Force 4 B'way Shows to Close

``The Rocky Horror Show,'' ``Stones in His Pockets,'' ``A Thousand Clowns,'' and ``If You Ever Leave Me, I'm Going With You'' announced Monday they would shut after doing what one producer called ``abysmal'' business last week.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/arts...-Broadway.html

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The missing toll in the NYC WTC disaster continues to rise and now reportedly stands at 5422!

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Chicago police and the Federal Bureau of Investigation held two men and one woman, citing "suspicious activity," after an American Airlines pilot sought emergency landing clearance Monday.

The FBI said the three were questioned after "interfering with the flight crew" on board American Flight 528 from Austin, Texas, to Chicago. Police said the three locked themselves into a bathroom.

The remaining 55 passengers were shuttled to the American (AMR: news, chart, profile) gates after the plane landed in a remote area of O'Hare International Airport. Amid the tightest security procedures in air-travel history, their baggage was thoroughly scrutinized by airport security before it was handed over.

The runway closest to the plane was evacuated, but the airport was not, according to O'Hare spokeswoman Monique Bond. "We want to make it clear that people not think the airplane or the airport was evacuated," she said.

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If you can read/speak Farci and/or Arabic, please contact the FBI since there is an incredible shortage of fluent folks to translate!

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No charges yet against the 13 being held in New Jersey.

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NYC also passed a massive anti-terrorism bill in an effort to help prevent future attacks.

No Blank Check for U.S. Action From UN, NATO

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/world...orization.html

Bush Visits Mosque in Washington

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/nati...acks-Bush.html


Airport Security Changes May Be Slow to Take Hold in Some Cases

http://biz.yahoo.com/apf/010917/atta...ecurity_2.html

Did the Ban on Asbestos Lead to Loss of Life?

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/18/he...my/18ASBE.html

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Terrorist Attack Probes Current Leads

An investigation of attacks in New York and Washington has stretched from Florida to California & overseas, following the itinerant lives of the men accused of plotting to crash four jetliners and kill thousands of Americans.

Acting on 47,000 potential leads, authorities have detained 49 people for questioning or on immigration violations, and as many as 200 others were wanted for questioning.

Here's a summary:


Florida

Hundreds of FBI agents are reconstructing the suspected hijackers' past from flight school records, apartment and hotel records, credit card receipts and interviews with pilots, landlords and neighbors. At least 15 of the 19 hijackers listed by the FBI had Florida ties, including seven who were believed to be pilots. Investigators have tracked the suspected terrorists to at least five Florida flight schools. Seven men, including three on the United jet that crashed in Pennsylvania, used addresses in Delray Beach, 20 miles south of West Palm Beach. Five alleged hijackers stayed in the south Florida community of Hollywood.

New Jersey

At least 13 New Jersey men have been detained for questioning by the FBI, which focused particular attention on a Jersey City neighborhood that housed Muslims convicted in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. The FBI also questioned three men stopped in Elizabeth with more than $11,000 in cash and a one-way plane ticket to Syria. Agents searched the Seaside Heights motel room of a man who turned himself into New York police Saturday. Three of the 19 hijackers identified by the FBI had ties to New Jersey; Nawaq and Salem Alhamzi had mailbox drop addresses in Wayne and Fort Lee, and a former apartment owner said Saeed Alghamdi rented a condominium in Florham Park with his wife and two children from 1988 to 1991.

California

FBI agents are trying to retrace the steps of suspects Nawaq Alhamzi and Khalid Al-Midhar during their time in San Diego last year. They also are looking for traces of another suspect, Hani Hanjour, who is thought to have lived in San Diego last year. Agents have searched the home of Abdussattar Shaikh, a local Muslim leader who rented rooms to two of the men. The FBI says Shaikh is cooperating and is not a suspect. Shaikh told The San Diego Union-Tribune that agents seized a computer, handwriting samples and textbooks and notebooks belonging to the men. Before moving in with Shaikh last September, Alhamzi and Al-Midhar lived in an apartment complex near a small airport. Agents on Monday searched records of local community colleges two of the suspects may have attended.

Massachusetts

The FAA said Monday it is investigating whether a man who toured the tower at Boston's Logan International Airport three days before the attacks was one of the hijackers. The man reportedly entered the tower unescorted, several hours after four men who appeared to be of Middle Eastern descent asked a controller how to gain access to the tower. Also at Logan, where 10 hijackers boarded two passenger planes, authorities last week seized two vehicles rented at a nearby Alamo office. Police found flight training manuals in one of the cars. A third car was seized Monday. The FBI also raided a hotel in Newton, a Boston suburb, because two suspected hijackers, Waleed M. Alshehri and Wail Alshehri, are believed to have stayed there the night before the attacks.

Virginia

Two suspected hijackers, Waleed M. Alshehri and Ahmed Alghamdi, apparently lived briefly in northern Virginia. Hamid Keshavarznia of Reston said he rented a room to Alshehri for a few months about two years ago at a Vienna home he owns. But Alshehri broke the lease, saying his father wanted him back in London. Keshavarznia said Alshehri was a Saudi citizen, appeared to be in his early 20s and ``looked too innocent to be suspicious.'' Neighbors said they always noticed a lot of activity at the house, often at odd hours. It was unclear when and where Alghamdi lived in Vienna.

Texas

Two men were removed from an Amtrak train Wednesday in Fort Worth after authorities said they found box-cutting knives, hair dye and $5,000 in cash. Ayub Ali Khan, 51, and Mohammed Jaweed Azmath, 47, who said they were from India, were taken into custody apparently on immigration charges. They were flown to New York over the weekend and held as material witnesses. The FBI said the men boarded a flight from Newark, N.J., to San Antonio the morning of the attacks. The flight was diverted to St. Louis, where the men apparently took an Amtrak train bound for San Antonio. FBI agents also searched the home of a San Antonio doctor believed to be related to at least one of the alleged hijackers, and held the doctor, Albader Alhazmi, on an immigration violation.

Maryland

One of the men suspected of crashing a jetliner into the Pentagon trained at a flight school in suburban Washington. Hani Hanjour flew small planes over the Washington area at least three times in the past six weeks while training in Bowie, Md. Chief flight instructor Marcel Bernard said Monday that Hanjour wanted to demonstrate his flying competency. But the airport used by the flight school didn't rent planes to Hanjour for solo flights because of doubts about his flying skills and his refusal to provide an address and phone number.

Arizona

FBI agents have visited several Arizona flight schools to seek information on Hani Hanjour, an alleged hijacker on the jetliner that hit the Pentagon. Agents have also requested lists of students. CRM Airline Training Center in Scottsdale confirmed that a man with that name received pilot instruction for three months in 1996 and in December 1997. The FBI said Hanjour lived in the Phoenix area during parts of at least the last two or three years. FAA records show a Hani Hanjoor as holding a pilot's license and listing a post office box in Saudi Arabia.

Minnosotta

A flight student, Zacarias Moussaoui, was arrested nearly a month before the terrorist attacks because an instructor at an Eagan, Minn., flight school became suspicious of his behavior. Moussaoui reportedly offered cash to train on a flight simulator and was most interested in radio and flight maintenance operations and practicing in-flight turns. Moussaoui underwent entry-level training at an Oklahoma flight school but left in May without successfully completing the course. Moussaoui, arrested Aug. 17 on an immigration charge, was transferred from the Sherburne County Jail on Friday in the custody of the Immigration and Naturalization Service. FBI and INS officials in Minnesota and Washington refused to discuss his case.

Oklahoma

The FBI retrieved student records and interviewed administrators at a Tulsa flight school, and questioned officials at another flight school in Norman. One alleged hijacker, Fayez Ahmed, listed Spartan School of Aeronautics in Tulsa as his address on his pilot's license. School officials say they have no record that he attended and that he could have gotten the address from publications or the Internet. A man detained by authorities in Minnesota, Zacarias Moussaoui, enrolled in February at Airman Flight School in Norman but quit in May after having trouble with his flight training. Two suspected hijackers, Mohamed Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi, visited Airman before deciding to train elsewhere.

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Microsoft Delays Flying Game Launch

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/inte...Microsoft.html

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The Rev. Jerry Falwell apologized Monday for saying God had allowed terrorists to attack America because of the work of civil liberties groups, abortion rights supporters and feminists.

Falwell said his comments were ill-timed, insensitive and divisive at a time of national mourning. President Bush had called the minister's statement inappropriate.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/nati...l-Apology.html

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It is now, at 8:48am, one week since the nightmare began.

Hopefully we are now all healing well!

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A rough timeline of Tuesday's attacks and the aftermath (EDT), TUESDAY, SEPT. 11:

7:59 a.m.-- American Flight 11 with 92 people leaves Boston's Logan Airport for Los Angeles.

8:01 a.m. -- United Flight 93 with 45 people leaves Newark Airport for San Francisco.

8:10 a.m. -- American Flight 77 with 64 people leaves Washington's Dulles Airport for Los Angeles.

8:14 a.m. -- United Flight 175 with 65 people leaves Boston for Los Angeles.

8:48 a.m -- American Flight 11 crashes into north tower of World Trade Center.

9:06 a.m. -- United Flight 175 crashes into south tower of World Trade Center.

9:17 a.m. -- Federal Aviation Administration shuts down all New York City-area airports.

9:21 a.m. -- All bridges and tunnels into Manhattan closed.

9:31 a.m. -- In Sarasota, Fla., President Bush calls the crashes an ``apparent terrorist attack on our country.''

9:43 a.m. -- American Flight 77 crashes into Pentagon.

9:48 a.m. -- U.S. Capitol and White House's West Wing evacuated.

9:49 a.m. -- FAA bars all aircraft takeoffs across United States.

9:55 a.m. -- South tower of World Trade Center collapses.

10:10 a.m. -- United Flight 93 crashes in Pennsylvania field.

10:29 a.m. -- North tower of World Trade Center collapses.

11 a.m. -- New York mayor orders evacuation of lower Manhattan.

1:04 p.m. -- From Barksdale Air Force base in Louisiana, Bush announces U.S. military on high alert worldwide.

2:51 p.m. -- Navy dispatches missile destroyers to New York, Washington.

3:07 p.m. -- Bush arrives at U.S. Strategic Command at Offutt Air Force Base in Nebraska.

5:25 p.m. -- Empty 47-story Seven World Trade Center collapses.

7 p.m. -- Bush arrives at White House.

8:30 p.m. -- Bush addresses the nation and vows to "find those responsible and bring them to justice."


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New Yorkers Take Time Out to Remember the Destruction

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/18/ny...ND-RESCUE.html

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75 Detained and Four Arrested in Terrorism Case, Ashcroft Says

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/nati...stigation.html

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The world's largest options market said Tuesday it is investigating reports of unusual trading activity before last week's terrorist attacks in New York and Washington.

The Chicago Board Options Exchange declined to discuss the investigation. But an independent check of publicly available options trading records shows unidentified investors placed exceptionally high numbers of put options -- bets that prices would fall -- on the stocks of United and American, the two airlines targeted in the attacks.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/busi...s-Trading.html

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Hijackers may have been on other flights

http://biz.yahoo.com/rf/010918/n18226544_1.html

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The Bush administration said on Tuesday it would move forward with a government bailout of the airline industry, but it appeared that the big carriers would not get everything they want.

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/busin...-airlines.html

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Officials Say Plot May Have Involved 2 More Jets

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/19/national/19INQU.html

Restraint Urged to Protect Innocent Afghanis

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/world...-reaction.html

Iraq Denies Involvement in U.S. Suicide Attacks

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/world...aq-denial.html

In the days before the attacks, unusually high numbers of put options were purchased for the stocks of AMR Corp. [NYSE:AAR - news] and UAL Corp. (NYSE:UAL - news), the parent companies of American Airlines and United Airlines, which each had two planes hijacked. There was no such trend involving other carriers.

A put option is a contract that gives a holder the right to sell an asset at a specified price before a certain date.

On Sept. 6-7, when there was no significant news or stock price movement involving United, the Chicago exchange handled 4,744 put options for UAL stock compared with just 396 call options -- essentially bets that the price will rise. On Sept. 10, an uneventful day for American, the volume was 748 calls and 4,516 puts, based on a check of option trading records.

http://biz.yahoo.com/apf/010919/atta...trading_1.html

U.S. Widens Policy on Detaining Suspects

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/19/national/19CIVI.html

World Leaders List Conditions on Cooperation

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/19/in...al/19DIPL.html

At the Site, Little Hope of Uncovering Survivors

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/19/nyregion/19SITE.html


Fighter jets were only eight minutes away from one of the hijacked airliners when it crashed into the World Trade Center, the North American Aerospace Defense Command said in newly released data.

http://www.newyorktimes.com/aponline...hter-Jets.html

Federal authorities filed the first criminal charges arising from the terrorism investigation after finding three men in Michigan with airport diagrams and phony immigration documents. Armed with new legal powers, agents expanded their efforts to find possible terrorist collaborators.

The arrests in Detroit occurred after FBI agents raided a residence looking for one of the nearly 200 witnesses being sought in the investigation. Instead, they found the three men and a cache of documents. The trio was charged Tuesday in Detroit with fraud and misuse of visas, passports and other immigration documents.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/nati...stigation.html


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Iraq Denies Involvement in Suicide Attacks on U.S.

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/world...aq-denial.html

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Father Denies 'Gentle Son' Could Hijack Any Jetliner

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/19/in...st/19EGYP.html

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Scarcity of Afghan Targets Leads U.S. to Revise Strategy

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/19/in...al/19MILI.html

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U.N. Prepares Emergency Plans for Afghan Refugees

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/world...-refugees.html

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Afghans Stall but Show Little Willingness to Give Up bin Laden

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/19/in...ia/19PTAN.html

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Taliban Head Calls for Talks With U.S.

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/world...fghan-usa.html

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Germany Hub for Bin Laden Guerrillas - Report

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/world...any-probe.html


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It is now estimated that it will take about 6 months just to clear the rubble!

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Also, it's reported now that there will actually be an all inclusive Friday telethon carried by the networks and cable stations to raise money for those impacted by the tragedy!


Airlines Now Seeking $17.5 Billion

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/busin...s-aid-ata.html

Stocks Fall as Major Companies Announce Earnings Warnings

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/busin...ts-stocks.html

Soros: Bin Laden Should Be Hunted Down

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/busin...ial-soros.html

Finding Bin Laden Money Won't Be Easy

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/world...aden-cash.html

Billions Promised by US as Carriers' Layoffs Mount

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/19/business/19BAIL.html

Airlines face soaring insurance costs in the wake of the U.S. attacks, with London insurers canceling all war and terrorism cover from next Monday in order to raise their premiums.

Rupert Atkin, Chairman of Lloyd's War Risk Committee, said airlines would face severe increases in war cover for the aircraft themselves. ``It's fair to say that it's hundreds of percent,'' he told Reuters on Wednesday. The present cost of cover is regarded as commercially confidential.

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/busin...-airlines.html

Taliban Calls for Talks With U.S.; White House Rebuffs Offer

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/19/in...19CND-PAK.html


With airlines struggling to coax people back on airplanes, most carriers have decided to pare their schedules and employee ranks to bring the supply of seats in line with anemic demand.

But many planes remained half full -- or even emptier -- Wednesday as frightened fliers and business people restricted from air travel continue to stay home.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/nati...e-Service.html


Bill Maher, the irreverent host of late-night talk show ``Politically Incorrect,'' apologized on Wednesday for saying some U.S. military actions were ``cowardly'' -- a remark many said was not only politically incorrect but offensive.

http://biz.yahoo.com/rf/010919/n19192874_3.html


Hijackers Spent Days in Suburban D.C.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/nati...-Maryland.html

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A meeting of Afghanistan's senior Islamic clerics on Thursday issued an edict recommending Osama bin Laden, the world's most wanted man, should be persuaded to leave the country whenever possible.

The decision, which ministers have said is binding on the purist Taliban government, was almost certainly taken only after receiving the blessing of the movement's spiritual leader Mullah Mohammad Omar, who has sheltered bin Laden as a ``guest'' for years.

``To avoid the current tumult... and also future similar suspicions, the high council of the honourable ulemarecommends to the Islamic Emirate (of Afghanistan) to persuade Osama bin Laden to leave Afghanistan whenever possible,'' said the edict issued after the two-day meeting of clerics.

Bin Laden should find another place to live, said the verdict issued on behalf the council, or shura, by the Taliban's Information Ministry.

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/world...ck-afghan.html


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The number of missing and presumed dead at the World Trade Center climbed to 6,333 Thursday with the addition of victims from other countries.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/nati...de-Center.html

President to Outline Vision for 'New War'

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/20/na...0CND-BUSH.html

Stocks End Down Sharply as Worried Investors Sell Off Shares Again

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/20/bu...0CND-STOX.html

A man believed to be a close associate of Osama bin Laden and wanted for questioning in last week's terrorist attacks has been arrested near Chicago, the Federal Bureau of Investigation said today.

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/20/na...0CND-WASH.html

Attacks Spark Patriotic Buying

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/nati...ic-Buying.html

America's Fear of Flying Has Devastating Effect on Tourism

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/20/national/20TRAV.html


Bush to Brace Nation for War

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/nati...acks-Bush.html

Congress Moves to Help Airlines

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/nati...-Airlines.html


Disney Acknowledges Lost Ad Revenues

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/busin...ia-disney.html


Bush Vows to Fight Global Terrorism

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/nati...t-Attacks.html

Congress Closer to Airline Aid Package

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/busin...-airlines.html

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The House could move as early as Friday to approve a $15 billion relief package for airlines, which are dealing with an industry-wide credit crunch following last week's terrorist attacks.

Congress and the White House came to an agreement early Friday morning on the package, which would include $5 billion in direct relief and another $10 billion in loan guarantees. The House is expected to take up the legislation early Friday.

The package falls short of the $17.5 billion sought by the airline industry, but is significantly larger than the White House's initial proposal consisting of $5 billion in direct relief.

UPDATE: Yep!

Congress to Proceed With Rescue Plan

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/21/business/21LINE.html

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Without Evidence, Taliban Refuses to Turn Over bin Laden

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/world...ck-afghan.html

Man Sought as Possible Organizer of Attacks

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/21/national/21INQU.html

Looting Is Reported in Center's Tomblike Mall

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/21/nyregion/21TOMB.html

U.S. Identified Some Elements of Hijack Plot in Advance

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/21/national/21SECU.html

Conflicting Visions of How to Rebuild Lower Manhattan

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/21/nyregion/21TURF.html

Kashmiris Burn US Flag, Vow Support for Afghanistan

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/world...k-kashmir.html

Sales of Bin Laden T - Shirts Soar in Indonesia

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/world...searchpv=reute rs

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Man are the futures low this morning, again!

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UPDATE:

Down a quick 300 on this Triple witching day!

Decliners 10:1 over advancers!

Surely we are now nearing a bottom!

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Germany Notes 100 Terrorist 'Sleepers'

http://www.nytimes.com/auth/login?UR...mes.com/aponli ne/international/AP-Attacks-Germany.html

TV Makes Tentative Return to Normal

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/arts...d-Picture.html

Engineers Say Buildings Near Trade Center Held Up Well

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/20/nyregion/20STRU.html


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A Cathartic Ceremony, and the Game Begins

The public-address announcer reminded everyone at Shea Stadium about what happened in Lower Manhattan on Sept. 11, even though no one needed the reminder. Last night, Major League Baseball returned to New York for the first time since the terrorist attacks that toppled the World Trade Center, creating an emotional and exhilarating scene.

The pregame ceremony began with the color guard entering through the center- field gates, accompanied by the New York Police Department Pipers and Drummers. As they marched toward the infield, the Mets were assembled along the first- base line and the Atlanta Braves were along the third-base line. Some players stared at their shoelaces, their eyes already moist.

Diana Ross, dressed in a black dress, entered the field behind the plate and sang "God Bless America." She received backup vocals from two local choirs and Manager Bobby Valentine, who shook his head from side to side as he sang. Ross pranced onto the field and eventually finished the song between the pitcher's mound and home plate, giving a high-five to one of the umpires when she was through.

Representatives from the police, the firefighters, the Emergency Medical Services and other rescue teams were introduced, and they received an ovation. After that, the Mets played a taped announcement in which Valentine and several players, from Joe McEwing to John Franco to Mike Piazza, asked the fans to join them in a moment of silence.

The next voice anyone heard was from the commander who led members of the United States Marine Corps in a 21-gun salute for the victims of the attack...

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FBI Grounds All Crop - Dusting Planes

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/nati...stigation.html

Giants Win Game for Terror Survivors

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/spor...Challenge.html

U.S. to Release Evidence Linking bin Laden to Attacks

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/23/in...WIRE-DIPL.html

Taliban Claim That It Lost bin Laden Is Disputed by Bush Aides

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/23/in...3CND-STAN.html

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Updated Toll of Dead, Missing in Attacks


NEW YORK:

World Trade Center: 5,960 missing; 306 dead


Those on hijacked planes:

American Flight 11: 92

United Flight 175: 65

WASHINGTON:

Pentagon: 189 believed killed

Includes those on hijacked plane:

American Flight 77: 64

PENNSYLVANIA:

United Flight 93: 44 killed


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Countless Questions, a Few Answers

Nearly a month after the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, investigators are only beginning to understand the conspiracy that led to the largest act of terrorism in history. For investigators and the public, the inquiry has produced more questions than answers. Here are some of those questions and the answers, by Stephen Engelberg and Matthew Purdy, correspondents for The Times.

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America (and others) strike back!

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Engineers investigating the collapse of the World Trade Center's twin towers are puzzled why the north tower stood for more than 90 minutes and the south tower for about 50 minutes after being hit by jetliners.

``It's amazing they didn't collapse immediately,'' Gene Corley, head of the engineering team, told the American Society of Civil Engineer's Convention on Friday.

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American Airlines Flight 11 had fallen mysteriously silent. The air traffic controller called over and over for a response. None came. Then he heard an unidentified voice from the cockpit: "We have some planes. Just stay quiet and you'll be OK. We are returning to the airport."

The controller, confused, asked, "Who's trying to call me?"

No response. Then he heard the voice again: "Nobody move please, we are going back to the airport. Don't try to make any stupid moves."

The man was apparently trying to talk to the passengers, but he was transmitting on the frequency monitored by pilots and air traffic controllers, and his voice was the first hint of the horror of Sept. 11.

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Photo Exhibit Captures Tragedy

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/nati...o-Exhibit.html

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The head of the Federal Aviation Administration suggested in a speech today that an order to ground all planes on the morning of Sept. 11 had prevented additional jets from being hijacked.

But this evening, the official, Jane F. Garvey, retreated from her assertion, and said that her comments had been based on early reports and that there was still no conclusive information that the grounding order had thwarted hijackings.

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/18/na...rtner=MOREOVER

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German authorities have issued an international arrest warrant for a Moroccan on charges that he helped plan and prepare the devastating attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, prosecutors said Friday.

Zakariya Essabar, 24, becomes the third fugitive sought by German prosecutors in a widening investigation into the Hamburg-based terrorist cell to which three of the Sept. 11 hijackers allegedly belonged.

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Sifting Mountains of Debris for Slivers of Solace

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/21/nyregion/21BELO.html

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After a month of consensus that Congress should do nothing to demoralize the nation's intelligence agencies or distract them from preventing terrorist attacks, crucial lawmakers now say that an unflinching investigation into why the Sept. 11 attacks were not forecast or prevented is inevitable.

Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona, proposed today that the inquiry be the job of a special commission. "I absolutely believe that we have to go back and see what happened," Mr. McCain said on NBC's "Meet the Press," adding, "not in order to hang somebody at the yardarm or to disgrace anyone, but so that we will not make the mistakes again that we made before and can reorganize our intelligence services."

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/22/national/22CONG.html


A company responsible for 22 percent of the $3.5 billion insurance covering the World Trade Center said in a lawsuit Monday that it will insist a single terrorist act destroyed the buildings.

SR International Business Insurance Co. Ltd., a British company, said it was ``prepared to honor its insurance obligations'' for the Sept. 11 attack that demolished the pair of 110-story buildings, but won't pay twice because two planes were used in the attack.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/busi...Insurance.html

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From the Rubble, a Picture and a Friendship

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Was Rooftop Rescue Possible? No escape: Could helicopters have saved people from Trade Center?


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This astounds me. A few years ago in eastern NC, a poultry processing plant experienced a terrible fire. The normal entrance/exit into the plant was blocked by the fire. Another door that could have offered escape for hundreds who perished was chain-locked. The company was sued and had to pay millions in damages.

Given that heat and fire typically rise, I'll accept that the fire department would believe that folks should be encouraged to go down stairs rather than to a roof for escape. But then along comes this atyical incident. How incredibly short sighted of them not to believe that an accident could happen that would mean folks couldn't go down the stairs. An egress should never be locked IMHO. In NC now, it's against the law. If there IS a door, it has to be unlocked (at least from the inside) when people are in the building.

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The Mayor seemed a bit testy/angry as he addressed these questionds today!

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A Skyline Is Conspicuous by an Absence

At first, Michael Mailer, an independent film producer, considered editing the twin towers out of his new picture, "Empire," which he calls a "Latin `Godfather' movie" set in New York.

"The last thing you want," he said, "is something that is going to take you out of the dream of the film."

But something about filmmakers rushing to obliterate the images from their movies, as Ben Stiller has acknowledged doing for his new hit comedy, "Zoolander," offended Mr. Mailer and his colleagues. "I find it execrable that you have to alter a scene or two to fit the sensibility of the day," he said. He left the footage in.

These days, capturing the New York skyline on canvas, on film, with the naked eye has become a complicated, even emotionally wrenching act. The towers are such powerful symbols that they overshadow everything whether they are present or absent.

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Get These Planes on the Ground

Air Traffic Controllers Recall Sept. 11

It has taken six weeks, but air traffic controller Danielle O'Brien is now ready to talk about Sept. 11.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/...c_feature.html

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Interactive: WTC Satellite Images - Before and After 9-11 Attack

http://herald-sun.com/nationworld/14-143979.html

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NEW YORK (AP) -- Medical officials have identified the first victims from the World Trade Center attacks based solely on DNA matches, a process that has involved toothbrushes, hairbrushes and other belongings of those lost in the wreckage.

http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/10/24/rec....ap/index.html

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Official Toll Varies in Trade Center Losses

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/25/nyregion/25NUMB.html

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Toxic chemicals and metals are being released from fires and rubble in the ruins of the World Trade Center at levels sometimes exceeding U.S. government safety standards, the Daily News reported on Friday.

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Jubilant Calls on Sept. 11 Led to F.B.I. Arrests

Within hours of the terror attacks on Sept. 11, law enforcement officials say, F.B.I. agents intercepted telephone calls in which suspected associates of Al Qaeda in the United States were overheard celebrating the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

In the following days, the officials said, agents swept in and arrested them and have been holding them since, some as material witnesses, based on the information picked up in the phone calls. They are among hundreds of people detained after the attacks.

Agents made the requests for the intercepts barely minutes after the planes crashed into the World Trade Center, knowing from past terrorist acts that Osama bin Laden's followers often phoned to congratulate one another after successful operations.

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/28/national/28ATTA.html

All Suicide Bombers Are Not Alike

A journey to Gaza, Cairo and Hamburg in search of what really made Sept. 11 possible.

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Feelings of Loss and the Sound of Silence Greet Families at the Site

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Port Authority Survivors Overwhelmed By Loss.

More than 100 New York and New Jersey Port Authority employees were killed Sept. 11. Surviving port authority police officers and workers are overwhelmed by anger and sadness.

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Additions to Terror Victims' List

Latest additions to the names of those confirmed dead, reported dead or reported missing in the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

Persons confirmed dead include victims who have been confirmed dead by a coroner's office or the Defense Department. It also includes those a court has declared legally dead, even if no body has been recovered. Once the court has made such a finding, a death certificate can be issued. The total number of confirmed dead is 2,037.

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NEW YORK (CNN) -- Firefighters who raced to the World Trade Center collapse last month will be checked for respiratory problems.

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Beneath the Rubble, the Only Tool Was a Pair of Cuffs

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Tonnes of gold, silver buried below WTC recovered

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FAA Regulations Were Followed on Sept. 11

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Firefighters Protest Plan to Cut Their Numbers at Ground Zero

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Twin Towers Are at Center of Brawl Over Payments and Rebuilding

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FBI Confirms Hijackers' Identities

``We at this point definitely know the 19 hijackers who were responsible,'' Mueller said.

The FBI released the names and photos of the hijackers in late September. The names were those listed on the planes' passenger manifests and investigators were certain those were the names the hijackers used when they entered the United States. But questions remained about whether they were the hijackers' true identities.

The FBI has not disclosed which names were in doubt and Mueller provided no new information on the hijackers' identities beyond his statement to reporters. FBI officials did not return phone calls seeking elaboration.

The Saudi Institute, an independent human rights watchdog group that has researched the hijackers' identities, said at least one of the hijackers named by the FBI used stolen identification.

Abdulaziz Alomari was identified by the FBI as one of the hijackers of an American Airlines plane that was crashed into the World Trade Center. Ali Al-Ahmed, the Saudi Institute's director, said Alomari used someone else's passport.

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Some Charges Dropped Vs. NY Firemen

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Secret C.I.A. Site in New York Was Destroyed on Sept. 11

The Central Intelligence Agency's clandestine New York station was destroyed in the Sept. 11 attack on the World Trade Center, seriously disrupting United States intelligence operations while bringing the war on terrorism dangerously close to home for America's spy agency, government officials say.

The C.I.A.'s undercover New York station was in the 47-story building at 7 World Trade Center, one of the smaller office towers destroyed in the aftermath of the collapse of the twin towers that morning. All of the agency's employees at the site were safely evacuated soon after the hijacked planes hit the twin towers, the officials said.

The intelligence agency's employees were able to watch from their office windows while the twin towers burned just before they evacuated their own building.

Immediately after the attack, the C.I.A. dispatched a special team to scour the rubble in search of secret documents and intelligence reports that had been stored in the New York station, either on paper or in computers, officials said. It could not be learned whether the agency was successful in retrieving its classified records from the wreckage.

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Tragedy cannot be erased, but it can be remembered. Marble and bronze do not enhance valor and victory and sacrifice, but monuments can tell the story, generation after generation.

As the search begins for ways to remember the events of Sept. 11, a new exhibit exploring the language and nature of monuments may provide a starting place. An examination of real and imagined national memorials, it opened at the National Building Museum in downtown Washington days after the attacks on the Pentagon and the World Trade Center.

Howard Decker, the museum's chief curator, said the plans and models submitted by members of the Washington chapter of the American Institute of Architects have acquired an unanticipated significance.

``There has already been an enormous amount of conversation around the country about what ought to be an appropriate monument to the victims of Sept. 11,'' Decker said in an interview last week. ``In their diversity these earlier proposals offer ... a place to begin asking questions.''

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Six weeks after Congress created an unlimited fund to compensate the victims of the Sept. 11 terror attacks, the federal government is still wrestling with an emotionally charged question that could reduce payments to victims' families by hundreds of thousands of dollars and affect how more than $1 billion in charitable donations is spent.

The question is: Should awards from the fund be reduced by the amount of charity a victim's family accepts?

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As Dig Goes On, Emotions Are Buried Deep

The workday for the heavy machine operators at ground zero begins as it ends. In darkness.

It is bad for those who work the early shift, because the only sunshine they see these days is framed by the crater that still hisses and spits like a snake. It is bad, too, for those who work the late shift, operating in the mud and the slop under the lights and with suspect footing.

The World Trade Center job is a bad one, a torturous and consuming business. It goes on 24 hours a day, seven days a week. The smell has crept into the workers' clothes, and the place has invaded their dreams.

The work of the firefighters and the police officers and the National Guardsmen has been documented. But the job now largely belongs to the operating engineers...

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Sept. 11 Attacks Refocused the Spotlight

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Since Sept. 11, Vacant Offices and Lost Vigor

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Toll From Attack at Trade Center Is Down Sharply

The official count of the dead and missing in the attack on the World Trade Center has fallen sharply in the last few weeks to below 3,900, a total that is nearly 3,000 fewer than the number city officials, in the first weeks after the towers fell, feared had perished.

City officials said yesterday that the trade center tally, which dropped by at least 200 over the last weekend alone, could continue to fall, perhaps to 3,000, as duplications and errors are resolved. Unofficial compilations by news organizations, using information from companies, the airlines and other sources, so far have reached no higher than 2,950.

The culling of the official list of those killed in the twin towers and on the hijacked airplanes has been proceeding quietly since late September, when the estimated toll reached its high of about 6,500. But this process has taken place largely out of public view, with everyone from world leaders to military officials to newspaper columnists and talk show hosts continuing to believe and assert that 5,000 to 6,000 people died in the attacks on the towers and the Pentagon and aboard the airliner that crashed in Pennsylvania.

In the last several weeks, in speeches and interviews, Gen. Richard B. Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and Secretary of State Colin L. Powell have cited the loss of 5,000 or more people in the attacks. Don Imus, the radio talk show host, put the number for the trade center alone at 6,000 during a television interview on Saturday.

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A Road Map to Coping With Disaster, Legally

...Everything produces a chain of events that stretch indefinitely, if not infinitely, into the future. So it will be with the terror attacks of Sept. 11, and so it was with an earlier terrorist atrocity, the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, on Dec. 21, 1988, an assault on the United States whose torturous aftermath is informatively and absorbingly told in this book.

One could read "The Price of Terror" by Allan Gerson and Jerry Adler in several different ways. The book was finished before Sept. 11, but the authors nonetheless insert a few references to the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, and they offer their account of Pan Am 103 as a road map for those stricken in the more recent episode. And a road map it is, one that might help the relatives of the victims of Sept. 11 to understand what to expect, and what to avoid, in the months and years ahead.

"The Price of Terror" in this sense is a guide to coping legally and bureaucratically, more than emotionally or spiritually, with the aftermath of disaster. Mr. Gerson and Mr. Adler recount how a very determined group of people the relatives of the victims of the Pan Am bombing and their lawyers spent years and considerable amounts of money trying to bring the party responsible for the attack, the Libyan government of Muammar el-Qaddafi, to justice...


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Ripples of Sept. 11 Widen in Retailing

...While it was expected that small businesses near the site of the World Trade Center would suffer from the terrorist attack on Sept. 11, which displaced 100,000 potential customers from office buildings in the area and thousands more from their homes, wider economic damage from the attack is still rippling outward from ground zero.

The national economy, of course, was already slowing before Sept. 11. But the attack sent shudders through small businesses, not only in New York City but also across the nation. Some economic forecasters say they believe a wave of business failures in New York and elsewhere could come soon after the first of the year, as retailers and other entrepreneurs succumb to the continuing lack of new business in what is traditionally their busiest season....

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To mark the 3 month anniversary of the September 11 terrorist attacks on the US, DOT Secretary Norman Y. Mineta will participate in a short memorial ceremony today to honor and remember the innocent victims and the heroes that died attempting to save them.

President George W. Bush has asked countries across the world to hold remembrance events and to play their national anthems at the exact moment the plane struck the World Trade Center in New York.

The President will lead the worldwide initiative with the playing of the national anthem at 8:46 a.m. at a White House event.

The DOT ceremony will begin shortly after 8:30 a.m. and will conclude with a moment of silence followed by the national anthem, played by the Coast Guard Cutter Band at 8:46 a.m.

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Tribute In Space For Terrorist Victims

As nations around the world were taking part in ceremonies to mark three months after the terrorist attacks on the United States on September 11, Nasa was planning a special event aboard the International Space Station, where American and Russian astronauts will play their national anthems.

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The downtown NYC Memorial service this morning is just now beginning.

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On the brighter side:

NYC also emerged the top tourist city in the nation among respondents to a national poll, the results of which were released Monday.
Two-thirds of respondents said they would visit in the coming year if they had the time and money, the Quinnipiac University poll said. Quinnipiac is a private coeducational school in Hamden, Connecticut, near New Haven.

Thirteen percent of those asked named NYC as the major US city they'd most like to visit, followed by San Francisco and Las Vegas with 6 percent each, and Orlando, Honolulu and Los Angeles with 5% each.

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Faulty Fireproofing Is Suspected in Trade Center's Sept. 11 Collapse

An expert in fire protection who is helping lead a federally financed inquiry into the collapse of the World Trade Center towers said yesterday that inadequate or faulty fireproofing that had gone unrepaired for years may have played a role in the failure of the two 110-story buildings.

The expert, Frederick W. Mowrer, an associate professor in the fire protection engineering department at the University of Maryland, said he had been shown extensive evidence, including an archive of photographs, that indicated that the fireproofing applied to everything from structural columns to floor trusses to bolted connections had peeled off or been inadequately installed over extensive parts of the buildings.

But like others involved in the study of the buildings, Dr. Mowrer was careful to say that an exact cause of the collapses is far from determined, and that whether any building could have withstood the damage inflicted by the two 767's that slammed into them remains an open question. He said the role of the fireproofing was only one of a range of issues, including the part played by the jet fuel, that needed continued scrutiny.

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Jolted by Sept. 11, Many Rush to Make Wills

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Five New York City firefighters rode triumphantly up to Pasadena's Old Firehouse on Sunday, the last stop of a cross-country bicycle tour that began Nov. 11 at the site of the World Trade Center.

A crowd of supporters greeted the men with cheers and shouts of ``F-D-N-Y! F-D-N-Y!'' Children clamored for autographs.

The firefighters completed a 2,757-mile trek not to raise funds, but to express thanks to the nation for the support they say has overwhelmed them since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

``It was beautiful, overwhelming, great support from the country,'' said Matt Hornung, 30, who was wearing bicycle shorts and a red plastic firefighter's hat. ``We intended on thanking people, and people came out and thanked us.''

Hornung and the other firefighters come from Engine Co. Nine/Ladder Co. 33, a station less than a mile from the World Trade Center that lost 10 men on Sept 11. Pictures of the fallen were displayed on a poster as the cycling firefighters listened to speeches from local officials and a rendition of ``America the Beautiful.''

``To be able to meet them face to face and be part of it for a few hours, it's a dream come true,'' said Pasadena firefighter paramedic Jim Todd, 40.

The firefighters pedaled down to Georgia from New York, then cut across the South to the West Coast, greeting well-wishers and sleeping in firehouses along the way.

They rode about 100 miles a day, trailed by a support van driven by a sixth firefighter.

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11 Airplanes Astray On September 11, According to Exclusive Aviation Week & Space Technology Report On FAA Air Traffic Control Command Center Suspicions Lead To Nationwide Grounding

An exclusive examination of the activities at the FAA air traffic control command center on September 11 reveals that in the minutes following the attack on the World Trade Center, 11 airplanes had either flown off course or were out of communication, leading the FAA to ground all air traffic for the first time in US history.

The in-depth analysis, in the December 17 issue of Aviation Week & Space Technology, also reveals the air traffic control system responded quickly, decisively, professionally and with surprising cooperation among government and industry groups.

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Many Sept. 11 survivors struggling with post-traumatic stress disorder

Thunder booms, a car backfires, a door slams and Christine Gillies' heart jumps. Everyday noises have caused waves of anxiety since hijackers crashed an airplane into the World Trade Center four stories above her.

"It's almost like there was life before the trade center and now there's life after, like two chapters," said Gillies, who escaped with co-workers down a stairwell from the 87th floor of the north tower, her mouth covered with wet napkins as smoke began to seep in.

Gillies, 27, is among those who describe themselves as "doing fine" since Sept. 11 - though most still have nightmares, and admit a loud city truck or balloon pop can make them jump to their feet.

That is one symptom of post-traumatic stress disorder that many people are showing, experts say.

"Loud noises are one stimuli of what they went through. They know what it is but they still react with the same internal reaction," said Russell J. Kormann, associate director of the post-traumatic stress disorder program at the Rutgers University Anxiety Disorder Clinic.

"They won't say 'Oh my God it's another terrorist attack,' but it comes back to that hypersensitivity and a loud noise just stimulates that anxiety all over again," Kormann said.

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Trade Center Fires Finally Put Out

The stubborn fires that have burned beneath the ruins of the World Trade Center for the past three months are finally out, officials said Wednesday.

But fire department officials said they would not rule out the possibility that small pockets might still be discovered. A firetruck remains on standby at the site.

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Todays "USA Today" has a rather detailed story on the two crashed aircraft and those who survived, essentially noting that literally no one above the crash level was able to survive, while miraculously almost all below did.

For many on Sept. 11, survival was no accident

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Radio Used on Sept. 11 Is Questioned

Fire Department officials are investigating whether some firefighters engaged in rescue efforts at the World Trade Center on Sept. 11 did not hear an order to evacuate the buildings because the handheld radios they were using did not function properly, officials said yesterday.

Some firefighters have told officials that they never heard an evacuation order given by Chief Joseph Callan after the second plane hit that morning. As a result, they said, they did not know that Chief Callan had broadcast a message over the radios in which he ordered the firefighters to "come down to the lobby."

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City Had Been Warned of Fuel Tank at 7 World Trade Center

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A woman whose husband died aboard one of the jetliners that slammed into the World Trade Center sued United Airlines, alleging company negligence led to the Sept. 11 hijacking.

Ellen Mariani of Derry filed the lawsuit in the U.S. District Court for the southern district of New York. Her husband, Louis Mariani, 58, was a passenger on United Airlines Flight 175, the second plane to hit the center.

The couple were taking separate flights to California to attend the wedding of Ellen Mariani's daughter.

Initially, Louis Mariani had planned to stay home, thinking it was too expensive for both of them to go. But his wife raised money through yard sales to buy him a surprise ticket so he could see his stepdaughter walk down the aisle.

Mariani's lawyer, Don Nolan, said in a statement that the airline had a duty to ``exercise the highest degree of care'' for safety and should have stopped the hijackers from boarding the plane. The statement did not elaborate on what Nolan thinks the airline should have done differently.

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Group to Give 150,000 Tickets to Victims' Families

As part of a continued push to provide emotional solace to victims of the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11 as well as economic stimulus to New York cultural institutions, two new plans to give away thousands of free and discounted tickets to cultural and other events are beginning this week.

The first plan, to be announced today, is the Gift of New York and involves the donation of 150,000 tickets to families of victims of the attacks on the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and United Airlines Flight 93, the hijacked airplane that crashed in Pennsylvania.

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Officials have positively identified everyone who died when United Airlines Flight 93 crashed in rural Pennsylvania on Sept. 11, other than the four hijackers.

Somerset County Coroner Wallace Miller said Wednesday that the last one of the 40 victims of the hijacking had been identified.

The remains were so damaged investigators can't say for certain whether anyone was killed before the plane crashed.

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The terrorists had years to plan their hijacking. The passengers had just minutes to respond. But a band of patriots came together to defy death and save a symbol of freedom. What happened on that flightand inside the cockpit

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September 11 Fatalities Made 2001 The Worst Year

The world aviation industry had its worst year for crash-related fatalities in 2001 because of ground deaths in the September 11 terrorist attacks in the United States.

There were 34 plane crashes that killed 1,118 passengers and crew members, including 265 in the attacks, the Netherlands-based Aviation Safety Network said.

Another 2,945 people died on the ground, all but 10 in the attacks, according to the organization and a Bloomberg list of New York and Washington fatalities in the September incidents.

For passenger and crew fatalities, 2001 was the sixth safest year since 1970, ranking ahead of the previous year's 1,134 deaths in 36 crashes, the Aviation Safety Network said.

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