I Hate Rick Steves
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#243
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I usually buy a Rick Steves book when I go to Europe. In the "older" days (1990's/2000's), I would stay at the lower end of his recommended hostels/hotels. He usually was/is accurate with his discriptions of eating/sleeping places. Now that I go with my spouse, she requires that we have a private bathroom (I didn't mind when travelling alone--saved $$). I typically do bidding on Priceline whenever possible. We got some decent deals (Zurich Marriott for $85/night, Milan Westin Palace (5*) for $87 base ($80 w/bonus $$), etc.
I have gone more upscale in the lodging area in recent years. Of course, we try not to pay over $100/nt (can be achieved by Priceline bidding).
Bottom line: I usually buy an updated Rick Steves book before going to Europe. (very familiar places maybe not).
I have gone more upscale in the lodging area in recent years. Of course, we try not to pay over $100/nt (can be achieved by Priceline bidding).
Bottom line: I usually buy an updated Rick Steves book before going to Europe. (very familiar places maybe not).
I met Rick Steves at the NYC Travel show here is how my conversation with him went.
Me: If you are such an expert on Europe why not try Asia out?
RS: Then I wouldn't be an expert on Europe!
Not long after the conversation... maybe within a year or 2 he had a few Asia specials!
Me: If you are such an expert on Europe why not try Asia out?
RS: Then I wouldn't be an expert on Europe!
Not long after the conversation... maybe within a year or 2 he had a few Asia specials!
You may find Steves info "..often out of date", but I don't. He sends his people around to check his info every year, unlike some of the other name guidebooks that sometimes are 2 years or more behind the news. Further, Steves has real-time updates on his website by both his folks and his readers.
Yeah, it's funny I respect Steves' work so much because I would probably disagree with 90% of his politics. He's the kind of guy who travels to Iran and believes that if we just got to know each other a bit better, our governments would be able to get along. That said, it seems like more liberals than conservatives travel abroad, so being MSNBC instead of Fox is good for travel writers! And Steves isn't that heavy-handed in pushing his politics in his guidebooks.
#244
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Rick Steves knows his audience, and knows that his target market will not stand for hotels below a certain level of quality.
Lonely Planet also has a target audience, who will stand for a lower level of quality in a hotel than Rick Steves' people would. Lonely Planet started as the low-budget guide, really a step above backpackers. It's not that way any more, but LP would not have any qualms with sending you to a dive hotel in Kings Court, London. Something Rick Steves would never do.
Keep that in mind, and use Lonely Planet at your own risk...
Lonely Planet also has a target audience, who will stand for a lower level of quality in a hotel than Rick Steves' people would. Lonely Planet started as the low-budget guide, really a step above backpackers. It's not that way any more, but LP would not have any qualms with sending you to a dive hotel in Kings Court, London. Something Rick Steves would never do.
Keep that in mind, and use Lonely Planet at your own risk...
#245
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Rick Steves knows his audience, and knows that his target market will not stand for hotels below a certain level of quality.
Lonely Planet also has a target audience, who will stand for a lower level of quality in a hotel than Rick Steves' people would. Lonely Planet started as the low-budget guide, really a step above backpackers. It's not that way any more, but LP would not have any qualms with sending you to a dive hotel in Kings Court, London. Something Rick Steves would never do.
Keep that in mind, and use Lonely Planet at your own risk...
Lonely Planet also has a target audience, who will stand for a lower level of quality in a hotel than Rick Steves' people would. Lonely Planet started as the low-budget guide, really a step above backpackers. It's not that way any more, but LP would not have any qualms with sending you to a dive hotel in Kings Court, London. Something Rick Steves would never do.
Keep that in mind, and use Lonely Planet at your own risk...
I think the key is to know LP's audience and read the reviews in that light. A careful reading of the reviews and staying in places LP considers in the midrange category generally yields acceptable results.
On my three two-month trips to Yurp about ten years ago, I carried Let's Go, Lonely Planet, and Rick Steves. I liked Let's Go's style for the written introductions to each country/region/city, but I don't recall using their listings much. Lonely Planet provided lots of good info, but some the most memorable stays I had in Europe came out of Rick's books (I wonder if Sra. de Rodriguez and her little dog Titi are still hosting guests in Santiago de Compostela). Of course, that was a decade ago, and Rick hadn't hit it big with the TV series yet. I'm sure things are much more overrun these days.
I never found Fodor's or the other major guides useful--they catered to a much more upscale crowd than I was a part of. I'm not willing to spend $150-200 per night, especially when traveling for two months at a time.
I did use the Eyewitness guides but mostly as eye candy. The visual guides through museums were nice, but they made the Fodor's upscale crowd look like hostel seekers.
If I had to pick a single guide for Europe, it'd be a tough choice between LP and Steves. I think I might actually choose Steves, although LP is usually more comprehensive and offers some lower-cost alternatives Steves might miss. If I had to rely on one person's advice, there's a lot worse advice to be given than what Steves gives.
Last edited by jackal; Apr 28, 2011 at 4:46 am
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Rick Steves, Environmentalist
He's carbon neutral, now. https://www.ricksteves.com/about-us/climate-smart
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I happened to pump into Rick Steves at a local pub just north of Seattle. My wife had no clue who he was but of course I knew him. He seemed like he was on a date with a romatic female partner (maybe a wife or a girlfriend) but I did the tacky thing and interrupted them to ask for a picture. He obliged. The pics didn't turn out well due to no flash and the dim pub lighting. Still, it was cool to meet him. As a travel enthusiast, he's a huge celebrity and it was an honour to meet him. In fact, I can't think of a travel celeb more famous or infamous as Rick Steves.
Bill Gates is cool now too.
Bill Gates is cool now too.
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He's carbon neutral, now. https://www.ricksteves.com/about-us/climate-smart
The Man in Seat 61's website is very good for getting you started if you need to take a train in a place you're unfamiliar with. But keep in mind that he likes trains A LOT MORE than you do (unless you're a train nut). Reading his website once convinced me to take an overnight train between Bangkok and Chiang Mai instead of a low cost flight. That's when I learned this lesson. So don't assume that his advice that the train is the best transport option is correct for you.
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If I had to pick a single guide for Europe, it'd be a tough choice between LP and Steves. I think I might actually choose Steves, although LP is usually more comprehensive and offers some lower-cost alternatives Steves might miss. If I had to rely on one person's advice, there's a lot worse advice to be given than what Steves gives.
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From my experience (30 years worth), LP guidebooks these days tend to be haphazardly updated. Steves SERIOUSLY updates his guidebooks every year. Steves is extremely good with basic Eurpopean logistics for fast-moving American tourists. If I quickly need to know how to get from the airport into town, or how to avoid a long line getting into a museum, Steves' guidebooks are the first place I look. While his guidebooks aren't perfect, I highly recommend them for newbie travellers. I don't recommend LP for such travellers.
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Rick's kids said he liked "Old World " Europe. His son was doing some youth-oriented travel guide in Europe. I've bought his luggage and books and like his pod casts and city walks, llike Amsterdam, but he lost me when he used his forum to get political, which is his right. But it was "Hillary" or the road, not that I'm a Trump fan,
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Rick's kids said he liked "Old World " Europe. His son was doing some youth-oriented travel guide in Europe. I've bought his luggage and books and like his pod casts and city walks, llike Amsterdam, but he lost me when he used his forum to get political, which is his right. But it was "Hillary" or the road, not that I'm a Trump fan,
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Rick Steves' documentary on travelling to Iran, and his TED-talk on the same topic, was a major influence on me deciding to go as well. And, I found that his description of what it was like to visit the country was accurate. I haven't read any of his books, or bought any of his luggage, and I'm most certainly not a stoner. But, Rick Steves has helped me, so my impression of him is positive.