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Old Apr 5, 2010 | 3:40 pm
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Originally Posted by PropWasher
AC used lower deck crew modules on the A340. Loaded through cargo door.

My memory is a bit fuzzy but there is a hatch (to the main deck) that disables the drive system, in the cargo bay, if it's left unlocked.
Is this like the breathalyzer ignition interlock system on NW aircraft?
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Old Apr 5, 2010 | 4:25 pm
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There would probably be issues with evacuation paths if they opened up the lower deck to passengers.
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Old Apr 5, 2010 | 4:42 pm
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The lower deck crew rest modules also lead to those marvellous "missing seats" in Y (..well... marvellous if you get the extra legroom so created...)

..as the escape hatch from the module has to come up somewhere!
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Old Apr 5, 2010 | 5:52 pm
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The downstairs bathrooms on the A346 is fun.

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Old Apr 5, 2010 | 10:51 pm
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Originally Posted by sbm12
The downstairs bathrooms on the A346 is fun.

That's a really nice stairway. ^
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Old Apr 6, 2010 | 9:22 am
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Originally Posted by MLang2
Yes Lufthansa's A346 has some lavatories down there. I like these, because they are more spacious than the "normal" ones.

Additionally, there are the Crew Rests down there and there is also an elevator to bring up the catering.
Yup was on an A340 FRA-DEN flight on Lufthansa where they had these...
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Old Apr 6, 2010 | 9:48 am
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Vaguely, and it's been too many years, I recall some lower deck facilities/acommodations in the old Boeing Stratocruiser (military C-97), recognizable for its "Double Bubble" fuselage, and kept around in modernized form - upper fuselage swollen) for decades as "Guppies" and "Super Guppies" in freighter service for oversized loads.
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Old Apr 6, 2010 | 12:33 pm
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Originally Posted by nlp
I still don't understand. How much do airlines make from their cargo business? I think the revenue from passengers should be more.
Are you kidding? Cargo is much more profitable than hauling around people:

* It doesn't need food
* It doesn't need to be cleaned-up after
* It doesn't need seats
* It doesn't need cabin heating
* It doesn't care about the IFE (or lack thereof)
* It doesn't complain about legroom
* It doesn't need toilets
* It doesn't ask the FAs for more drinks
* It doesn't care if it's a few hours late (most of the time)

etc.

KL, in fact, has 747s that are partly for people and then they've decided that using the back of the passenger deck for cargo is more profitable than fitting a couple dozen people in there.
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Old Apr 6, 2010 | 3:31 pm
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Also, cargo doesn't complain if the pilots fly through bad weather instead of around it...
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Old Apr 6, 2010 | 8:00 pm
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Originally Posted by greg99
I believe that, in order for the a/c to be certified to carry pax in seats on a lower deck that can be occupied for t/o and landing, the framing of the aircraft would have to be reinforced so that it could withstand a belly landing without crushing the pax sitting on the lower deck.
This is my understanding too, the lower deck can be used during flight, but is not certified for passenger use during takeoff and landing, and would require structural modification to make the certification.
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Old Apr 7, 2010 | 12:00 am
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I recall reading somewhere that back in the day, UA sometimes flew Boeing 377 Stratocruisers between LAX and SFO as turnaround flights to/from Hawaii. UA would sell seats in the lower deck lounge of the 377, which had banquette seating equipped with seat belts and the nearby bar in the lounge.
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Old Apr 7, 2010 | 12:56 am
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Originally Posted by pacolawrence
I Was on a LH a-340 and went in a lavatory on the lower deck
Wow, welcome back nine-year old thread!

The Hindenburg had passenger cabins on both the A Deck and the B Deck below.
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Old Apr 7, 2010 | 3:22 am
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Wow, welcome back nine-year old thread!
Oh wow, I didn't even see that.
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