Non-stops to Hawaii
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Non-stops to Hawaii
This month, Delta's non-stop flights between ATL and HNL were replaced with one-stops through LAX. (And they are nasty one-stops, because you can't get off the plane! They just get fresh pilots and take off again.) I was told that United flies non-stop to Hawaii only from LAX and SFO, which surprised me a little. I know that Continental flies non-stop from EWR to HNL.
Are there any other non-stops from the Eastern U.S. to Hawaii? Are there any web-sites that provide this information easily?
Bruce
Are there any other non-stops from the Eastern U.S. to Hawaii? Are there any web-sites that provide this information easily?
Bruce
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DL plans to reinstate the n/s ATL-HNL flight later this year, I believe. It is all over crew rest facilities. I believe ATA flies from one of the New York airports to HNL also.
Just checked the OAG and the morning ATL-HNL flt isn't listed as stopping in LAX at all. Nor is the LAX-HNL leg listed. The afternoon flight, however, is listed. Maybe it is the first flt that you are not allowed to deplane during the stop in LAX.
Even checked DLs website just now, and same thing. The system will sell the ATL-LAX leg for the second flight but not the first. What is different about the first flight? Anybody out there know why this is?
AtlMan
Just checked the OAG and the morning ATL-HNL flt isn't listed as stopping in LAX at all. Nor is the LAX-HNL leg listed. The afternoon flight, however, is listed. Maybe it is the first flt that you are not allowed to deplane during the stop in LAX.
Even checked DLs website just now, and same thing. The system will sell the ATL-LAX leg for the second flight but not the first. What is different about the first flight? Anybody out there know why this is?
AtlMan
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UA has non-stops to Mauai, the big island, Kauai and Honolulu from the US mainland. UA has the only nonstops to Kauai.
UA used to fly DC10's nonstop from ORD to HNL, but dropped the flight over cockpit crew rest issues when the DC10s were replaced with 2-class domestic 777s. I think the last DC10 flight was around Feb 14th or so.
As for finding nonstops, just use one of the travel booking engines, like Orbitz, and plug in various East coast or mid-con cities.
There's a 2nd tier airline that flies non-stop to HNL from JFK. I don't remember which one it is.
-David
UA used to fly DC10's nonstop from ORD to HNL, but dropped the flight over cockpit crew rest issues when the DC10s were replaced with 2-class domestic 777s. I think the last DC10 flight was around Feb 14th or so.
As for finding nonstops, just use one of the travel booking engines, like Orbitz, and plug in various East coast or mid-con cities.
There's a 2nd tier airline that flies non-stop to HNL from JFK. I don't remember which one it is.
-David
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Non-stop to Hawaii from anywhere but the west coast is a rather unattractive route for airlines. It would be just enough distance to require two flight crews, and not enough distance to use the two crews efficiently. I've heard that UA might be considering DEN-HNL.
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"...Non-stop to Hawaii from anywhere but the west coast is a rather unattractive route for airlines. It would be just enough distance to require two flight crews, and not enough distance to use the two crews efficiently..."
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NOT! I started flying the CO EWR-HNL non-stop a month after they began flying it, and my defection from DL's fading FF program and DL's other crap. On the first flights it had about a 30% load factor, but after six months it seems the load factor has never been less than 95+%. IMHO a very nice smart strategic move by CO. The passengers love it, the crews love it, and I am very certain the bean counters at CO love it too.
As for the 2 crew "nonsense", this is the ALPA union wanting 2-3 pilots to sit up front (at $100k-$250k per annum) and watch the scenery go by. Its a wonder the FAs union dont demand "equal rights" too. There is absolutely no safety problem here. It is simple GREED by the unions. The flight usually takes 7.5 hr (W-E) to 10.5 hr (E-W) depending upon t/o weight, direction and winds. I base my observations on having flown this nice RT routing about 40+ times.
MisterNice
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"...Non-stop to Hawaii from anywhere but the west coast is a rather unattractive route for airlines. It would be just enough distance to require two flight crews, and not enough distance to use the two crews efficiently..."
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NOT! I started flying the CO EWR-HNL non-stop a month after they began flying it, and my defection from DL's fading FF program and DL's other crap. On the first flights it had about a 30% load factor, but after six months it seems the load factor has never been less than 95+%. IMHO a very nice smart strategic move by CO. The passengers love it, the crews love it, and I am very certain the bean counters at CO love it too.
As for the 2 crew "nonsense", this is the ALPA union wanting 2-3 pilots to sit up front (at $100k-$250k per annum) and watch the scenery go by. Its a wonder the FAs union dont demand "equal rights" too. There is absolutely no safety problem here. It is simple GREED by the unions. The flight usually takes 7.5 hr (W-E) to 10.5 hr (E-W) depending upon t/o weight, direction and winds. I base my observations on having flown this nice RT routing about 40+ times.
MisterNice



