Subway (mass transit) systems
#61
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: New York/ DC
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I’m personally a huge fan of Japan and Europe’s metro systems. I have to try China’s I’ve heard a lot of about it. This comes from a native New Yorker living in Washington DC. We so have to get on board with these lovely and convient systems. I also love the tech in Japan’s system. I also like systems who have WiFi. Ofc I love my nyc subway.
#62
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: NYC
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No love for Taipei's MRT and HST? I love the neighborhood maps at every station, the polite passengers, contactless payment, WiFi everywhere, and aircon malls attached to (nearly?) every station, a real boon in the tropical weather.
#63
Join Date: Jan 2014
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Sorry, folks. I hate to tell you that you are all wrong, but when I don't even see Moscow on the first page, I need to set things right. Moscow has the best metro system in the world. First of all, let's forget the fact that Moscow has absolutely THE MOST BEAUTIFUL stations in the world. They are like works of art, with statues, mosaics, artwork, marble, bronzes. Feel free to google a few of my faves--Novoslobodskaya, Mayakovskaya, Komsomolskaya. No let's forget that--let's talk about efficiency. Did I mention the trains run every 90 seconds? Yeah, that's right. You don't need to go running at breakneck speed to catch your train--there is literally one behind it in 90 seconds. Wherever you go in Moscow, you are usually only 2 blocks away from a metro station. And the crossings from adjoining stations are underground, so you needn't come all the way up and buy another ticket. No, you can travel around on the one ticket. Also, they are clean--an army of cleaners work to keep them spotless, and another army of metro police keep them safe. So my vote goes to Moscow.
#64
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The use of contactless/RFID tech alone isn’t that big a deal really. It’s the use of the existing (visa/mc/amex/etc) payment system that makes London streets ahead. Why should I have to bother getting yet another card just to ride public transport?
I believe you can register on the Transport for London website with the payment card you want to use and then you can buy a custom “travelcard” - not actually a card but just associated to your payment card. I’m usually there for a bit longer so I don’t bother and it works out all the relevant fare caps automatically.
I believe you can register on the Transport for London website with the payment card you want to use and then you can buy a custom “travelcard” - not actually a card but just associated to your payment card. I’m usually there for a bit longer so I don’t bother and it works out all the relevant fare caps automatically.
#65
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: TSV, Australia
Posts: 2,376
What is your favorite subway system, and why?
For me it is Tashkent, Uzbekistan.
The stations are fantastic examples of Soviet grandeur and tickets are less than US$0.20 each to ride as long as you like.
best station: Kosmonaut.
For me it is Tashkent, Uzbekistan.
The stations are fantastic examples of Soviet grandeur and tickets are less than US$0.20 each to ride as long as you like.
best station: Kosmonaut.
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#66
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So while I wouldn't vote for the Moscow metro as the best in the world, but surely Moscow would just grind to a total halt without it.
My favourite system is Tokyo - with its several subway operators' networks + the many JR lines + the several private rail lines. And they all work seamlessly with the Suite/Pasmo cards, no matter who is the operator.
#67
Join Date: Sep 2015
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While I am generally loathe to debate others FT, this comment requires a reply. 80 of the 136 metro stations in Santiago were damaged in the riots last month. The videos show the destruction as horrible and senseless. I have no idea how many are operational but its not business as usual for the metro in the Chilean capital.
Worth noting that most lines in Santiago do run on rubber wheels, but the newer lines (Line 3 for example) are on super-smooth metal rails.
Damage aside from the riots, Santiago's subway is clean, extensive, ever-expanding, and efficient.
And...no one mentioned Atlanta for easy ATL-to-downtown/midtown/Buckhead access on the MARTA train? The MARTA isn't very extensive, but if you need to go where the train goes, it works out well.
#68
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NYC now has 4G coverage and Wifi in all the stations, but not on the trains themselves. Though that is in the works and will hopefully begin later next year.
Is NYC the biggest or is Tokyo? I love how Google maps now works perfect with the NYC MTA for buses, subway and more. The times are nearly, but not quite represented perfectly. It seems that during the morning, google maps subway times are right on. But not so in the evening rush hours.
An interesting memory from the subway in Santiago, Chile about 20 years ago, they had a type of TV display on the wall of the tunnels that flickered in time to show you a video while the train was in motion. I think that was the first of its kind in the world.
HKG is great in that they have the best payment card. The Octopus card works not only for public transport, but for many types of shopping. And the trains are large and well run.
#69
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Is NYC the biggest or is Tokyo? I love how Google maps now works perfect with the NYC MTA for buses, subway and more. The times are nearly, but not quite represented perfectly. It seems that during the morning, google maps subway times are right on. But not so in the evening rush hours.
#70
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#71
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Yes thank you. I was thinking of stations. I see now that the Chinese cities have passed Tokyo in this respect, but NYC is still larger. Maybe it will get passed someday.
#72
Join Date: Dec 2011
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I love this thread! I grew up with the NYC subways, when you had to keep straight if you were riding the BMT, the IRT or the IND lines. It is still one of the best values-- being able to ride the system plus one transfer for $2.75, especially when compared to the time and expense of any other method of transportation in the city. So, I go out of my way to ride the subway, if at all possible, to/from airports and then to get around.
I will tell you, absolutely, the Q70 non-stop bus to Roosevelt Avenue, where you can connect to the E, F or 7 train, is the only (almost) sane way of getting out of LaGuardia-- as the express busses (Q70 and M60) are the only vehicles allowed to come right up to the curb-- otherwise you are on a shuttle bus to a pick up spot.
One of the factors, to me, that makes a great subway system is the efficiency especially when compared to the alternative of riding in a cab or bus above ground. Here, I think that Shanghai and Beijing are amazing, even with their faults, as both cities are nightmares to be stuck in a car, and the subways are efficient, widespread and cheap. I put London right behind them, as long as you have a tube map.
DC is great for to/from DCA, but pretty lousy for everything else-- especially the aged red line, which has truncated service or maintenance issues every day.
The one greatest disappointment is Chicago-- while the traffic to or from ORD is horrible, the blue line is so slow, and the closest you can get to the Michigan Avenue hotels is Clark/Lake, which still means a hike with luggage, not to mention trying to get out of the station onto the street there with luggage. The service around the loop may be good, but if you are further uptown, there is almost nothing.
I agree about PDX being efficient--Denver not so much.
I will tell you, absolutely, the Q70 non-stop bus to Roosevelt Avenue, where you can connect to the E, F or 7 train, is the only (almost) sane way of getting out of LaGuardia-- as the express busses (Q70 and M60) are the only vehicles allowed to come right up to the curb-- otherwise you are on a shuttle bus to a pick up spot.
One of the factors, to me, that makes a great subway system is the efficiency especially when compared to the alternative of riding in a cab or bus above ground. Here, I think that Shanghai and Beijing are amazing, even with their faults, as both cities are nightmares to be stuck in a car, and the subways are efficient, widespread and cheap. I put London right behind them, as long as you have a tube map.
DC is great for to/from DCA, but pretty lousy for everything else-- especially the aged red line, which has truncated service or maintenance issues every day.
The one greatest disappointment is Chicago-- while the traffic to or from ORD is horrible, the blue line is so slow, and the closest you can get to the Michigan Avenue hotels is Clark/Lake, which still means a hike with luggage, not to mention trying to get out of the station onto the street there with luggage. The service around the loop may be good, but if you are further uptown, there is almost nothing.
I agree about PDX being efficient--Denver not so much.
#73
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Berlin, Germany
Programs: Avios
Posts: 8
What is your favorite subway system, and why?
Paris is my first love. You can get anywhere. I love maps and Paris metro maps are a thing of beauty.
As far as mass transit, Amsterdam's tram system is great. You can still see shops and attractions but has the efficiency of a subway. The actual subway system is ideal to get to the North from the South. My other fav is Istanbul's ferries. Seventy-five cents for up to an hour on a boat with indoor/outdoor seating and tea. I spent most of my time just riding the ferries for fun but in all honesty it was faster than the bus.
What are some of the most enormous subway stations that you know of? How do you deal with them.
Tokyo's Shinjuku: I stayed near there and just researched a ton but in the rush hour I just went with a directional flow (I needed to exit east) and hoped for the best. Same with Shibuya.
Paris's Chalet-Les Halles honestly I avoid like the plague as you could probably get off a stop earlier and walk and get out faster.
In London, I appreciate the signs they have with maps showing the exits and where on the map you can exit. They have the same in Paris on the actual exit signs and it makes such a difference.
What is your favorite airport for subway access to the downtown area it serves?
London City is a dream! Heathrow is direct but takes forever. Same thing with Munich.
Do you have any general tips to offer on the systems you know best?
London: often the "accessible" stations are not in any way accessible. They are getting better at making it clear if there is step-free access but often even then lifts will be out of order. If you are traveling with someone or you yourself have different needs when it comes to access or even just travelling with large cases, buses are going to be your best bet.
Paris: Arts et Métiers station on Line 11 is gorgeous and one of the most soothing spaces I've been in (is it the warmth of the cooper?)
Amsterdam: check an updated tram schedule before you go. Amsterdam have switched lines and numbers frequently, and at least yearly to adjust for where people live and work.
Berlin has a really great, integrated mass transit system. The trams, S-bahn, U-bahn and buses all work together well so you have multiple routes you can take. This is very handy in bad weather or when there is an accident on the roads. I used to race Google Maps and the Berlin transit app to see if I could come up with a better, more efficient route and often could just because there were so many routes.
What's your protocol for identifying optimal station exits?
Amount of steps, how far away it is from the platform (is it easier to go up quicker and then just cross the street instead of criss-crossing underground), does it spit you up in a precarious place (everyone crowded around a crosswalk on a busy street). The really handy station exits go straight into key department stores (Paris and Tokyo have this and during hectic shopping hours it's lovely!)
Paris is my first love. You can get anywhere. I love maps and Paris metro maps are a thing of beauty.
As far as mass transit, Amsterdam's tram system is great. You can still see shops and attractions but has the efficiency of a subway. The actual subway system is ideal to get to the North from the South. My other fav is Istanbul's ferries. Seventy-five cents for up to an hour on a boat with indoor/outdoor seating and tea. I spent most of my time just riding the ferries for fun but in all honesty it was faster than the bus.
What are some of the most enormous subway stations that you know of? How do you deal with them.
Tokyo's Shinjuku: I stayed near there and just researched a ton but in the rush hour I just went with a directional flow (I needed to exit east) and hoped for the best. Same with Shibuya.
Paris's Chalet-Les Halles honestly I avoid like the plague as you could probably get off a stop earlier and walk and get out faster.
In London, I appreciate the signs they have with maps showing the exits and where on the map you can exit. They have the same in Paris on the actual exit signs and it makes such a difference.
What is your favorite airport for subway access to the downtown area it serves?
London City is a dream! Heathrow is direct but takes forever. Same thing with Munich.
Do you have any general tips to offer on the systems you know best?
London: often the "accessible" stations are not in any way accessible. They are getting better at making it clear if there is step-free access but often even then lifts will be out of order. If you are traveling with someone or you yourself have different needs when it comes to access or even just travelling with large cases, buses are going to be your best bet.
Paris: Arts et Métiers station on Line 11 is gorgeous and one of the most soothing spaces I've been in (is it the warmth of the cooper?)
Amsterdam: check an updated tram schedule before you go. Amsterdam have switched lines and numbers frequently, and at least yearly to adjust for where people live and work.
Berlin has a really great, integrated mass transit system. The trams, S-bahn, U-bahn and buses all work together well so you have multiple routes you can take. This is very handy in bad weather or when there is an accident on the roads. I used to race Google Maps and the Berlin transit app to see if I could come up with a better, more efficient route and often could just because there were so many routes.
What's your protocol for identifying optimal station exits?
Amount of steps, how far away it is from the platform (is it easier to go up quicker and then just cross the street instead of criss-crossing underground), does it spit you up in a precarious place (everyone crowded around a crosswalk on a busy street). The really handy station exits go straight into key department stores (Paris and Tokyo have this and during hectic shopping hours it's lovely!)
#74
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Central Colorado
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Favorites: DC and London, because you can almost always navigate them with no (or minimal) stairs. At age 73 with arthritis, this is important. I have used NYC a lot and still do on the occasional visit, but it's not pleasant. I have also had good experiences with Vienna and Munich, but it was many years ago.
Airport connections: Stockholm and Oslo.
Airport connections: Stockholm and Oslo.
#75
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: London, UK
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What's your protocol for identifying optimal station exits?
Google Maps is typically my initial weapon of choice for this mission, but when I'm hauling luggage, I take 2 minutes to do more research (often on the transit company websites themselves). After I experience a station, I simply take a picture of the station map, and save it to my phone.
Google Maps is typically my initial weapon of choice for this mission, but when I'm hauling luggage, I take 2 minutes to do more research (often on the transit company websites themselves). After I experience a station, I simply take a picture of the station map, and save it to my phone.